simulation PSS

Salut,

Est ce que la simulation PSS permet de réaliser une analyse
transitoire?

Si oui, comment réliser cette simulation PSS permettant l'analyse
transitoire d'un oscillateur ring oscillant ŕ 480Mhz (il a 16 noeuds
oscillants).

merci d'avance,

Firas.

 

[Andrew Beckett]

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:35:56 -0700, kallel.firas@gmail.com wrote:

Salut,

Est ce que la simulation PSS permet de réaliser une analyse
transitoire?

Si oui, comment réliser cette simulation PSS permettant l'analyse
transitoire d'un oscillateur ring oscillant ŕ 480Mhz (il a 16 noeuds
oscillants).

merci d'avance,

Firas.

Well, given that this news group is predominantly conversed in English, you'll
stand a much better chance of getting an answer if you write in English. My
French is certainly very rusty, hence me replying in English (and I may have
misunderstood you). There seem to have been a sudden trend in posts in French
over the last few days!

Simulating a ring oscillator with shooting PSS should be fairly straightforward.
On the PSS form, select the "oscillator" checkbox, and give it the nodes at the
output of the oscillator - (you can leave the negative node blank if it is
gnd!).

Then give your approximate frequency in the PSS fundamental field.

Finally give a tstab time which is long enough for the oscillator to be broadly
up and running (it doesn't have to be settled).

First of all, make sure you can simulate it in transient analysis though. If you
can't simulate it in transient, you're not going to be able to in PSS. PSS is
primarily going to be useful if you then want to analyse something using a small
signal analysis afterwards (e.g. pnoise).

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.

 

On Oct 9, 10:16 pm, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm>
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:35:56 -0700, kallel.fi...@gmail.com wrote:
Salut,

Est ce que la simulation PSS permet de réaliser une analyse
transitoire?

Si oui, comment réliser cette simulation PSS permettant l'analyse
transitoire d'un oscillateur ring oscillant ŕ 480Mhz (il a 16 noeuds
oscillants).

merci d'avance,

Firas.

Well, given that this news group is predominantly conversed in English, you'll
stand a much better chance of getting an answer if you write in English. My
French is certainly very rusty, hence me replying in English (and I may have
misunderstood you). There seem to have been a sudden trend in posts in French
over the last few days!

Simulating a ring oscillator with shooting PSS should be fairly straightforward.
On the PSS form, select the "oscillator" checkbox, and give it the nodes at the
output of the oscillator - (you can leave the negative node blank if it is
gnd!).

Then give your approximate frequency in the PSS fundamental field.

Finally give a tstab time which is long enough for the oscillator to be broadly
up and running (it doesn't have to be settled).

First of all, make sure you can simulate it in transient analysis though. If you
can't simulate it in transient, you're not going to be able to in PSS. PSS is
primarily going to be useful if you then want to analyse something using a small
signal analysis afterwards (e.g. pnoise).

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.

thanks for your help,
after simulation, I found the following error:

"Error found by spectre at time = 144.222 ns during periodic steady
state
analysis `pss'.
After the dynamic adjustment of tstab, PSS still failed.

Analysis `pss' terminated prematurely due to error."

so please I want to know the origine of this error and its solution if
it is possible.
thank you.

Firas.

 

[Andrew Beckett]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:48:44 -0000, kallel.firas@gmail.com wrote:

On Oct 9, 10:16 pm, Andrew Beckett <andr...@DcEaLdEeTnEcTe.HcIoSm
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:35:56 -0700, kallel.fi...@gmail.com wrote:
Salut,

Est ce que la simulation PSS permet de réaliser une analyse
transitoire?

Si oui, comment réliser cette simulation PSS permettant l'analyse
transitoire d'un oscillateur ring oscillant ŕ 480Mhz (il a 16 noeuds
oscillants).

merci d'avance,

Firas.

Well, given that this news group is predominantly conversed in English, you'll
stand a much better chance of getting an answer if you write in English. My
French is certainly very rusty, hence me replying in English (and I may have
misunderstood you). There seem to have been a sudden trend in posts in French
over the last few days!

Simulating a ring oscillator with shooting PSS should be fairly straightforward.
On the PSS form, select the "oscillator" checkbox, and give it the nodes at the
output of the oscillator - (you can leave the negative node blank if it is
gnd!).

Then give your approximate frequency in the PSS fundamental field.

Finally give a tstab time which is long enough for the oscillator to be broadly
up and running (it doesn't have to be settled).

First of all, make sure you can simulate it in transient analysis though. If you
can't simulate it in transient, you're not going to be able to in PSS. PSS is
primarily going to be useful if you then want to analyse something using a small
signal analysis afterwards (e.g. pnoise).

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.

thanks for your help,
after simulation, I found the following error:

"Error found by spectre at time = 144.222 ns during periodic steady
state
analysis `pss'.
After the dynamic adjustment of tstab, PSS still failed.

Analysis `pss' terminated prematurely due to error."

so please I want to know the origine of this error and its solution if
it is possible.
thank you.

Firas.

Without seeing the full log, it's a little hard to say. Normally PSS adjusts the
stabilisation period (which is essentially a straight transient) to try to reach
convergence in difficult cases - but probably it's not detected the period.

You should turn on the "save initial transient" and look at the transient
waveforms (you can see the pss_tran results in the results browser) to see what
happens. Is it oscillating?

Regards,

Andrew.
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Solution Architect
Cadence Design Systems, UK.