Silicon Ensemble then Manual Layout

[jools]

Ive a design which I can automatically layout and route (via a script) in
silicon ensemble, which is very useful. However this tool doesnt let me
manipulate the result afterwards.

Can I adopt a design flow somehow using silicon ensemble to layout and route
the design, and afterwards manipulate it as I wish, ie move cells etc.

As we need to layout, to balance the power; but to layout and route it by
hand would be far to time consuming and error prone.

thanks

jools

 

[Robert Szczygiel]

jools wrote:

Ive a design which I can automatically layout and route (via a script) in
silicon ensemble, which is very useful. However this tool doesnt let me
manipulate the result afterwards.

Can I adopt a design flow somehow using silicon ensemble to layout and route
the design, and afterwards manipulate it as I wish, ie move cells etc.

As we need to layout, to balance the power; but to layout and route it by
hand would be far to time consuming and error prone.

Hi,

You can export DEF file from SE, import it into Cadence dfII, than
use Virtuoso to do the modifications.

Note that this may by time consuming - after each ECO you will have
to redo all the manual modifications.

Robert

 

[Mike Stabenfeldt]

I have several customers using my Strategy product to import DEF,
manipulate the layout using my layout editor, then re-exporting
out the design as DEF or gds2. Because one of the editor design
objectives was editing P&R data, there are many features (such
as std cell row snap on a move) in the editor to help you edit
this kind of data. Take a look at
http://www.stabie-soft.com/strategy.html if you want more information.

Mike

"jools" <jmspam200@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bjnc9f$j4e$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk>...

Ive a design which I can automatically layout and route (via a script) in
silicon ensemble, which is very useful. However this tool doesnt let me
manipulate the result afterwards.

Can I adopt a design flow somehow using silicon ensemble to layout and route
the design, and afterwards manipulate it as I wish, ie move cells etc.

As we need to layout, to balance the power; but to layout and route it by
hand would be far to time consuming and error prone.

thanks

jools

 

[gregg kodra]

jools

you have a couple of options depending on your circumstances. the two points
to consider ease of use and budget. to make manual manipulations with SE is
a time consuming and error prone task. SE is really best used as a
floorplanner and router. manual manipulations after a route are best done
with a layout editor. there are several to choose from. they are all much
easier to use then SE. i have used cadence, mentor, and stabie-soft. they
all get the job done. if you already have one try it. if you don't, try
and price them, they are all substancially cheaper then SE. and you may have
to get one anyways because SE does not put the cell/macro gds in the gds it
generates, so you have to merge to get final gds. do look at then def in
interface on the layout editors. it allows you to keep the net information
out of SE.
lastly, you might want to consider altering your flow a little. from what you
said you are altering power after the final route. you might want to consider
having the router do the placement and power straping. then do your edits to
the power routing, in SE or one of the layout editors (only done this with
stabie-soft). the do the clock routing. then do the detail signal routing.

hope this helps

gregg kodra

In article <bjnc9f$j4e$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk>, jools wrote:

Ive a design which I can automatically layout and route (via a script) in
silicon ensemble, which is very useful. However this tool doesnt let me
manipulate the result afterwards.

Can I adopt a design flow somehow using silicon ensemble to layout and route
the design, and afterwards manipulate it as I wish, ie move cells etc.

As we need to layout, to balance the power; but to layout and route it by
hand would be far to time consuming and error prone.

thanks

jools

 

[John Gianni]

you have a couple of options depending on your circumstances. the two points
to consider ease of use and budget. to make manual manipulations with SE is
a time consuming and error prone task. SE is really best used as a
floorplanner and router. manual manipulations after a route are best done
with a layout editor. there are several to choose from. they are all much
easier to use then SE.

1. I'm not sure the actual shipping date, but my custom IC flow engineering
team has been testing the new Cadence 'Virtuoso Chip Editor' flow with the
Cadence place and route tools (mostly SOC Encounter) since late January.

We started with VCE versions 3.0 and 3.1 earlier this year, going only
one way from the P&R world to the layout-editor world; and are currently
testing the two-way flow builds of version 3.3 (which ship later in
the year), all on the OpenAccess database (using as little LEF & DEF
& GDSII as humanly possible, except as necessary workarounds to temporary
bugs or not-yet-completed functionality in the tool-to-tool flow).

2. Basically, we're integrating multiple separate RF, Analog, Memory,
Mixed-Signal, & large/fast Digital IP using the Virtuoso Chip Editor
(typically with the top-level floorplanned with Virtuoso Preview and
routed with the Cadence Chip Assembly Router). (My philosophy is to
test software the way the Customers is intended to use it.)

Our first internal 'tapeout' milestone for a large communications chip
(dual Leon processors, VGA, USB2, EIDE, Serial, Parallel, MACs, etc. with
multiple 10/100 ethernet phys, a few additional PLLs from the custom flow,
etc.) was July 25th of this year and which is being demoed Wednesday
September 17th. at the International Cadence User Group conference:
http://www.cadenceusers.org

The digital blocks came from the Place & Route world (Artisan std. cells).
The RF, Analog, & Mixed-Signal blocks came from the custom IC world.
The memories typically came (for now) from Artisan memory compilers.

3. It all ties together with the Virtuoso Chip Editor.

Check out the demo at the ICU this week; or talk to your local sales
team for more details and shipping dates.
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