Silicon Chip v Buggy Software. Was Leo Simpson

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The real Andy

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Well, I just read that article (thanks Phil) in silicon chip. Among a few
outrageous claims, Leo says buggy software is all you will get on the net.
Well the last time I bought a SC kit from DSE, I found a 'buggy' design. In
fact the PCB layout was wrong and a quick check at the state library proved
that the magazine copy was the same. Pot boiling the kettle black?

Well, all I can say is if you want non-'buggy' software, then pay for it.
You get what you pay for Leo, same with your mag. If you want commercial bug
free software, then you are going to have to pay for it. If you want a
professional to publish thier design and then offer support, then you are
going to have to pay for it. I have some designs out there on the web which
have known bugs, but i dont have time to track each and every website down
that has stolen the design. I also lack the time to email everyone that
writes to me asking for support. If I charge AU$120.00 per hour for email
support, how many people are going to ask then?

Sorry Leo, there is a real world out there, and you are definatly not in
it...PS, those letters by your name (Leo) show the markings of typical
Australian middle management that have no clue.
 
The real Andy wrote:
Well, I just read that article (thanks Phil) in silicon chip. Among a few
outrageous claims, Leo says buggy software is all you will get on the net.
Well the last time I bought a SC kit from DSE, I found a 'buggy' design. In
fact the PCB layout was wrong and a quick check at the state library proved
that the magazine copy was the same. Pot boiling the kettle black?
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I think you will find that the "Design" is really a DSE design and the
SC just publiscises it {:). Recently a few of the projects are actually
"designed" by the seller of the kit.
 
"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
I also lack the time to email everyone that
writes to me asking for support. If I charge AU$120.00 per hour for email
support, how many people are going to ask then?
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Struth,
And I've been wasting my life for years supporting the ESR meter
kit for free!?

Bob

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"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
I also lack the time to email everyone that
writes to me asking for support. If I charge AU$120.00 per hour for email
support, how many people are going to ask then?

Struth,
And I've been wasting my life for years supporting the ESR meter
kit for free!?
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Some people have to much time on their hands!! ;-)
 
"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Struth,
And I've been wasting my life for years supporting the ESR meter
kit for free!?

Some people have to much time on their hands!! ;-)
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I hope you're not referring to me?


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"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Bob Parker" <bobp@bluebottle.com> wrote in message

Struth,

And I've been wasting my life for years supporting the ESR meter
kit for free!?
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Some people have to much time on their hands!! ;-)
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** While others have their hands on too much of the time.



............. Phil
 
"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Well, all I can say is if you want non-'buggy' software, then pay for it.
If you want commercial bug free software, then you are going to have to
pay for it.
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What commercial software is bug free? Some outrageously expensive software
is full of bugs, and sometime with little support. Some even charge you to
tell you how to work around the bugs until the next version is released
(with new bugs) and they can get even more money out of you for the
"upgrade".

TonyP.
 
"Tony Pearce" <TonyP@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What commercial software is bug free? Some outrageously expensive software
is full of bugs, and sometime with little support. Some even charge you
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More to the point, what free software is guarenteed to be bug free.

Obviously you are referring to MS - well I would love to see you do better.
 
If he had a project budget comparible to microsofts, I'm sure he could
do better. Much better. You see, the reason that microsoft gets its
products out with lots of bugs, is that it wants to get them out
rapidly, and bug fixing on a complex piece of software is time
consuming. Obviously they are trying, dubiously, to do so after the
sale. THis is a common tactic in software markets where software must
be delivered promptly. ALl it would take would be an extra year or so
to test more hardware combinations etc. Which microsoft don't want,
but I'm sure andy could if his strategy was to create the product.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:53:26 +1000, "The real Andy"
<ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

"Tony Pearce" <TonyP@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What commercial software is bug free? Some outrageously expensive software
is full of bugs, and sometime with little support. Some even charge you

More to the point, what free software is guarenteed to be bug free.

Obviously you are referring to MS - well I would love to see you do better.
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:28:29 +1000, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:01:11 +1000, "The real Andy"
ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, I just read that article (thanks Phil) in silicon chip. Among a few
outrageous claims, Leo says buggy software is all you will get on the net.

Actually, what he wrote was:

"Often the software is "buggy" and the author or designer may have no
interest or even the ability to correct what has been posted there for
all to see."
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Having not seen the editorial in question, I'm glad you posted that
bit.

Notice that he uses the word, "often", not "all". Remember also that
Silicon Chip support their projects via the "Notes and Errata" section
of the magazine. I would expect that these corrections, if detected
early enough, would find their way into most retail kits. Online
sources, OTOH, may have dubious support, although I find them
extremely useful. In any case, I accept these freeware projects for
what they are, namely a starting point for knowledgeable hobbyists.
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Back in the better(?) days of EA, the dreaded Cattley alien experiment
gave us the Pocket Sampler project. The software for that was buggy,
and I exchanged info with Cattley on the subject, detailing the
circumstances under which it would consistently fail. While
acknowledging the problem, he indicated he didn't have the required
combination of inclination and expertise to do anything about it. An
"updated" version was subsequently released, bugginess intact.

Often the source code is freely available, unlike some magazine
projects, eg Bob Parker's ESR meter. While I can understand that the
author may wish to protect and profit from his work, it must also be
understood that constructors may prefer to have total control over
their kits, whether for modification purposes, or for repair. Freeware
offers this self sufficiency, pseudo-commercial kits do not.
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:31:31 GMT, budgie
<budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote:
Back in the better(?) days of EA, the dreaded Cattley alien experiment
gave us the Pocket Sampler project. The software for that was buggy,
and I exchanged info with Cattley on the subject, detailing the
circumstances under which it would consistently fail. While
acknowledging the problem, he indicated he didn't have the required
combination of inclination and expertise to do anything about it. An
"updated" version was subsequently released, bugginess intact.
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Speaking of Cattley, anyone know what happened to him post-EAT?

Dave :)
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"David L. Jones" <tronnort_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of Cattley, anyone know what happened to him post-EAT?

Dave :)
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** Last seen heading for Argentina - I heard.




........... Phil
 
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:40:59 GMT, tronnort_@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:31:31 GMT, budgie
budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote:
Back in the better(?) days of EA, the dreaded Cattley alien experiment
gave us the Pocket Sampler project. The software for that was buggy,
and I exchanged info with Cattley on the subject, detailing the
circumstances under which it would consistently fail. While
acknowledging the problem, he indicated he didn't have the required
combination of inclination and expertise to do anything about it. An
"updated" version was subsequently released, bugginess intact.

Speaking of Cattley, anyone know what happened to him post-EAT?
Click to expand...
More to the point, Dave - WGAF?
 
"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:40:59 GMT, tronnort_@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:31:31 GMT, budgie
budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote:
Back in the better(?) days of EA, the dreaded Cattley alien experiment
gave us the Pocket Sampler project. The software for that was buggy,
and I exchanged info with Cattley on the subject, detailing the
circumstances under which it would consistently fail. While
acknowledging the problem, he indicated he didn't have the required
combination of inclination and expertise to do anything about it. An
"updated" version was subsequently released, bugginess intact.

Speaking of Cattley, anyone know what happened to him post-EAT?

More to the point, Dave - WGAF?
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** Only arseholes ever say that - Budgie.

Many folk, including myself, figure that Cattley dude is deserving of
eternal damnation - but in the meantime it would be a comfort to know he
is not about to re-appear somewhere in the electronics media and do even
more harm.

May he be employed in a Microsoft call centre handing only the most
whinging and irate customers.





........... Phil
 
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:05:39 GMT, budgie
<budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:40:59 GMT, tronnort_@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:31:31 GMT, budgie
budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote:
Back in the better(?) days of EA, the dreaded Cattley alien experiment
gave us the Pocket Sampler project. The software for that was buggy,
and I exchanged info with Cattley on the subject, detailing the
circumstances under which it would consistently fail. While
acknowledging the problem, he indicated he didn't have the required
combination of inclination and expertise to do anything about it. An
"updated" version was subsequently released, bugginess intact.

Speaking of Cattley, anyone know what happened to him post-EAT?

More to the point, Dave - WGAF?
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Morbid curiosity!
Could be good for a laugh too :->
The smart money might have him flogging DVD players in Tricky Dicks
somewhere...

Dave :)
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