Shure M105E phono cartridge

[Tim Schwartz]

Hello all,


I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll
gladly pay shipping.)

Thanks!
Tim Schwartz
Bristol Electronics

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll
gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

 

[Meat Plow]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:28:28 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred.
I'll gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...

N. Cook obsession noted. And laughed until breathless at.



--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

 

[Wild_Bill]

Rewinding the cartridge coil(s) with wire saved from old, disassembled tape
recorder heads.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges over
the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a good
body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll
gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

 

[N_Cook]

David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll
gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

False , I've never opened a magnetic cartridge. Only crystal cartridges ,
where the crystal is hygroscopic in the damp UK and does not survive 40
years and that includes NOS of course. They revert to paste or powder.
Matter of replacing with piezo-ceramic transducer

 

[Arfa Daily]

"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges over
the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a good
body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll
gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...


--

Awww. That's not very kind ...

Arfa

 

[N_Cook]

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:517788e842dave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred.
I'll gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...

Not quite sure why you find this something to jibe at. I love trying to
fix things which most would simply replace. Gives a great deal of
satisfaction putting one over on the makers.

--
*Why don't you ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Faced with the OP situation I would suspect an owner has removed a connector
using pliers and has twisted the pin in the plastic and so internal broken
wire at the output. I would .5mm disc grind in and/or melt in around a
suspect pin. Then consider chucking if break is within a coil, but would
certainly explore the construction because I don't think I've seen inside a
magnestic cartridge.

 

[Ron]

On 17/11/2010 10:16, Arfa Daily wrote:

"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred.
I'll gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing
open winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed
...


--


Awww. That's not very kind ...

Arfa

<points to no smirking sign>

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred.
I'll gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing open
winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it failed ...

Not quite sure why you find this something to jibe at. I love trying to
fix things which most would simply replace. Gives a great deal of
satisfaction putting one over on the makers.

--
*Why don't you ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 11/17/2010 2:37 AM N_Cook spake thus:

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:517788e842dave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E
p-mount cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge
itself has an open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica
and Grado cartridges over the years, but never before in a
Shure. Any chance you've got a good body without a stylus
you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll gladly pay
shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and
repairing open winding ... or at least endless speculation about
*why* it failed ...

Not quite sure why you find this something to jibe at. I love
trying to fix things which most would simply replace. Gives a great
deal of satisfaction putting one over on the makers.

Faced with the OP situation I would suspect an owner has removed a
connector using pliers and has twisted the pin in the plastic and so
internal broken wire at the output. I would .5mm disc grind in and/or
melt in around a suspect pin. Then consider chucking if break is
within a coil, but would certainly explore the construction because I
don't think I've seen inside a magnestic cartridge.

See? See? What did I tell you?

Look; I'm as DIY as anybody. I've fixed, or at least have tried to fix,
all kinds of things, some of which many people would consider hopeless.

But I recognize there are limits. N. Cook does not.

Repair a lousy magnetic cartridge? Are you serious? I'll bet he would
actually get out his .5mm disc grinder if this equipment landed in his
"shop". Sheesh.

Hey, he's free to broadcast the results of his bodgering here as much as
he likes. I'm free to ridicule him. See how that works?


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

 

[Meat Plow]

On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:58:40 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 11/17/2010 2:37 AM N_Cook spake thus:

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:517788e842dave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com>, David
Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has
an open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado
cartridges over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance
you've got a good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA
preferred. I'll gladly pay shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and repairing
open winding ... or at least endless speculation about *why* it
failed ...

Not quite sure why you find this something to jibe at. I love trying
to fix things which most would simply replace. Gives a great deal of
satisfaction putting one over on the makers.

Faced with the OP situation I would suspect an owner has removed a
connector using pliers and has twisted the pin in the plastic and so
internal broken wire at the output. I would .5mm disc grind in and/or
melt in around a suspect pin. Then consider chucking if break is within
a coil, but would certainly explore the construction because I don't
think I've seen inside a magnestic cartridge.

See? See? What did I tell you?

You're what, 11 years old?



--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

 

[David Nebenzahl]

On 11/17/2010 11:07 AM Meat Plow spake thus:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:58:40 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 11/17/2010 2:37 AM N_Cook spake thus:

Faced with the OP situation I would suspect an owner has removed a
connector using pliers and has twisted the pin in the plastic and so
internal broken wire at the output. I would .5mm disc grind in and/or
melt in around a suspect pin. Then consider chucking if break is within
a coil, but would certainly explore the construction because I don't
think I've seen inside a magnestic cartridge.

See? See? What did I tell you?

You're what, 11 years old?

Hmm, that's odd: I remember you posting earlier in this thread:

N. Cook obsession noted. And laughed until breathless at.

Guess we just caught you in an off moment, eh?


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

 

[Arfa Daily]

"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ce425c5$0$2536$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

On 11/17/2010 2:37 AM N_Cook spake thus:

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:517788e842dave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com>, David
Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E
p-mount cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge
itself has an open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica
and Grado cartridges over the years, but never before in a
Shure. Any chance you've got a good body without a stylus
you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll gladly pay
shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and
repairing open winding ... or at least endless speculation about
*why* it failed ...

Not quite sure why you find this something to jibe at. I love
trying to fix things which most would simply replace. Gives a great
deal of satisfaction putting one over on the makers.

Faced with the OP situation I would suspect an owner has removed a
connector using pliers and has twisted the pin in the plastic and so
internal broken wire at the output. I would .5mm disc grind in and/or
melt in around a suspect pin. Then consider chucking if break is
within a coil, but would certainly explore the construction because I
don't think I've seen inside a magnestic cartridge.

See? See? What did I tell you?

Look; I'm as DIY as anybody. I've fixed, or at least have tried to fix,
all kinds of things, some of which many people would consider hopeless.

But I recognize there are limits. N. Cook does not.

Repair a lousy magnetic cartridge? Are you serious? I'll bet he would
actually get out his .5mm disc grinder if this equipment landed in his
"shop". Sheesh.

Hey, he's free to broadcast the results of his bodgering here as much as
he likes. I'm free to ridicule him. See how that works?


--

Yeah, we see, David. But be careful. These things have a habit of
boomeranging right around, to bite you on the arse ...

Arfa

 

[N_Cook]

David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ce425c5$0$2536$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

On 11/17/2010 2:37 AM N_Cook spake thus:

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:517788e842dave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <4ce31382$0$2548$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

On 11/16/2010 2:41 PM Tim Schwartz spake thus:

I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E
p-mount cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge
itself has an open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica
and Grado cartridges over the years, but never before in a
Shure. Any chance you've got a good body without a stylus
you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll gladly pay
shipping.)

Cue N. Cook with nonsense about opening up cartridge and
repairing open winding ... or at least endless speculation about
*why* it failed ...

Not quite sure why you find this something to jibe at. I love
trying to fix things which most would simply replace. Gives a great
deal of satisfaction putting one over on the makers.

Faced with the OP situation I would suspect an owner has removed a
connector using pliers and has twisted the pin in the plastic and so
internal broken wire at the output. I would .5mm disc grind in and/or
melt in around a suspect pin. Then consider chucking if break is
within a coil, but would certainly explore the construction because I
don't think I've seen inside a magnestic cartridge.

See? See? What did I tell you?

Look; I'm as DIY as anybody. I've fixed, or at least have tried to fix,
all kinds of things, some of which many people would consider hopeless.

But I recognize there are limits. N. Cook does not.

Repair a lousy magnetic cartridge? Are you serious? I'll bet he would
actually get out his .5mm disc grinder if this equipment landed in his
"shop". Sheesh.

Hey, he's free to broadcast the results of his bodgering here as much as
he likes. I'm free to ridicule him. See how that works?


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

This usenet group is called sci.electronics.repair not how you would like it
sci.electronics.chuck_it_and_buy_new

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

N_Cook wrote:

This usenet group is called sci.electronics.repair not how you would like it
sci.electronics.chuck_it_and_buy_new

So? There is a fine line where it is a matter of ego, instead of
repairing something.


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist! I m just a very ticked
off scientist!!!

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <f4adnT3HA9hSYnnRnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

N_Cook wrote:

This usenet group is called sci.electronics.repair not how you would like it
sci.electronics.chuck_it_and_buy_new

So? There is a fine line where it is a matter of ego, instead of
repairing something.

Really? This comes up all the time on a one make classic car forum I read.
I'll open up things like switches and relays and clean them if they give
trouble. Most there seem to think it's better to buy new or used. And of
course 'new' parts that are 25 years old can have corrosion on the
contacts too. With a hobby, it doesn't matter much if it takes time to fix
something like that out of all proportion to the cost of replacement. It's
the satisfaction you get from doing it which is priceless.

--
*Wedding dress for sale. Worn once by mistake.*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[N_Cook]

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:51780e2b87dave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <f4adnT3HA9hSYnnRnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

N_Cook wrote:

This usenet group is called sci.electronics.repair not how you would
like it
sci.electronics.chuck_it_and_buy_new


So? There is a fine line where it is a matter of ego, instead of
repairing something.

Really? This comes up all the time on a one make classic car forum I read.
I'll open up things like switches and relays and clean them if they give
trouble. Most there seem to think it's better to buy new or used. And of
course 'new' parts that are 25 years old can have corrosion on the
contacts too. With a hobby, it doesn't matter much if it takes time to fix
something like that out of all proportion to the cost of replacement. It's
the satisfaction you get from doing it which is priceless.

--
*Wedding dress for sale. Worn once by mistake.*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The silliest, normally uneconomic, job I ever did was for someone with
cerebral palsey . (first time I came across that situation where you can
comprehend someone's speech only if you do not look at their face and get
miscued by distorted vestigial "lip-reading").
He drove (as far as i could tell with only the use of 2 fingers on a heavily
modified car) 15 miles and back , twice , for me to repair the motor of a
silly 12V fan that plugged into the car cigarette lighter. This fan kept his
pet dog/ gofor/ assistant happy sitting in the passenger side foot well. It
had a unique clip arrangement so any old fan would not do. Before the days
of mobile phones so he had a distinctive car horn beep sequence and I would
go out to him. It apparently took about 1/2 hour , with assistance from his
dog , to get in and out of the car.

 

[Tim Schwartz]

Hello again all,

When I posted my request, I was trying to save a customer some money on
a repair that was getting expensive.

ONE person actually sent me an e-mail with some useful info on a web
site that had a similar cartridge at a reasonable price, and thanks to
him for that.

I had NO INTENTIONS of starting a thread on bashing an individual.

IF YOU CAN'T STAND POSTINGS FROM A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL (including me)
DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. Instead, either skip over posts from that
person, or learn to use your browsers' features and block posts from
that person.

While I do find some people attempt repairs that I would not, I also
find that sometimes they have something useful to say, or have found an
reasonable way to repair something that I thought could not be repaired
for less than the cost of replacement.

Regards,
Tim Schwartz
Bristol Electronics


P.S. I had my brands wrong. The cartridges I used to see open windings
in all the time was Micro Acoustics, not Audio Technica. My apologies
to Audio Technica. (My memory is getting sort of foggy.)

Original post:

Hello all,


I've got a customer's turntable here with a Shure M105E p-mount
cartridge in it. The stylus is fine, but the cartridge itself has an
open winding. I've seen this in Audio Technica and Grado cartridges
over the years, but never before in a Shure. Any chance you've got a
good body without a stylus you'd part with? (In the USA preferred. I'll
gladly pay shipping.)

Thanks!
Tim Schwartz
Bristol Electronics

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article <f4adnT3HA9hSYnnRnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

N_Cook wrote:

This usenet group is called sci.electronics.repair not how you would like it
sci.electronics.chuck_it_and_buy_new

So? There is a fine line where it is a matter of ego, instead of
repairing something.

Really? This comes up all the time on a one make classic car forum I read.
I'll open up things like switches and relays and clean them if they give
trouble. Most there seem to think it's better to buy new or used. And of
course 'new' parts that are 25 years old can have corrosion on the
contacts too. With a hobby, it doesn't matter much if it takes time to fix
something like that out of all proportion to the cost of replacement. It's
the satisfaction you get from doing it which is priceless.

Yes, really. Even in a hobby, some things waste too much time and
money. Those switches, for instance. If the insulators are cracked and
the contacts mostly burnt away your time would be better spent finding
one in better condition and refurbishing it.

That 25 year old NOS switch would be easier to refurbish, unless they
were all total crap when they were made. I have seen NOS thumbwheel
switches that had tuned to mush from the contact lubricant used by the
manufacturer. How would you fix that?

I've scrapped new PC boards that cost us $8,000 to build, after
finding internal shorts on the 16 layer circuit board. The board house
was paid to test every blank board before shipping them to us. They had
to pay for the scrap. There was no legitimate way to repair it, and
still meet our standards so it would never be shipped to a customer.


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist! I m just a very ticked
off scientist!!!

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <ic36l4$6go$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

The silliest, normally uneconomic, job I ever did was for someone with
cerebral palsey . (first time I came across that situation where you can
comprehend someone's speech only if you do not look at their face and
get miscued by distorted vestigial "lip-reading"). He drove (as far as i
could tell with only the use of 2 fingers on a heavily modified car) 15
miles and back , twice , for me to repair the motor of a silly 12V fan
that plugged into the car cigarette lighter. This fan kept his pet dog/
gofor/ assistant happy sitting in the passenger side foot well. It had a
unique clip arrangement so any old fan would not do. Before the days of
mobile phones so he had a distinctive car horn beep sequence and I would
go out to him. It apparently took about 1/2 hour , with assistance from
his dog , to get in and out of the car.

Great. When someone takes that effort to get things done the least one can
do is reciprocate.

About 20 years ago I made up a deaf aid for a favourite uncle. He did have
two very expensive pro deaf aids but didn't like them one bit. He was
house bound so only usually had one or two visitors at a time.

I made up a small battery amp with a compressor and peaked at around 2kHz.
Driving a set of ordinary walkman headphones. And a lapel mic on a long
lead. With that clipped on the visitor he could at long last carry on a
conversation easily.

I got the idea because he used headphones to listen to the TV and radio,
and said they were so much better than using his deaf aids with their
speakers.

--
*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.