Should the home wiring be tightened up

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Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color except
Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used. (that is stupid
for a start, a New Zealand trained person could go to Australia and get
into trouble (more trouble))


"Is this a stupid idea or what ?"
I would think that Brown (or red) should be the only colors used (for
single phase), otherwise any person who does not know about electrical
safety can use any wire to wire up their house. using speaker, telephone
or automotive wire.

If the law stated the colors used for Phase-Neutral-Earth on single
phase wiring must be Brown (red) - Blue (black) -
Green-Yellow(Green), and must have a minimum thickness, this would
restrict the choice of cable the "home Non-authorized Electricians"
could use, and make the whole electrical world safer.

 

[Rod Speed]

go <goaway@dot.com> wrote in message news:3fb61a5e@clear.net.nz...

Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color
except Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used.
(that is stupid for a start, a New Zealand trained person
could go to Australia and get into trouble (more trouble))

Only a fool wouldnt check if the regs differ.

"Is this a stupid idea or what ?"
I would think that Brown (or red) should be the only colors used
(for single phase), otherwise any person who does not know
about electrical safety can use any wire to wire up their house.
using speaker, telephone or automotive wire.

Pity you aint allowed to 'wire up your house'
in Aust unless you have a license.

If the law stated the colors used for Phase-Neutral-Earth
on single phase wiring must be Brown (red) - Blue (black) -
Green-Yellow(Green), and must have a minimum thickness,
this would restrict the choice of cable the "home Non-authorized
Electricians" could use, and make the whole electrical world safer.

Mindlessly silly.

 

[Tom Wright]

WHY? the regulations between the two countries are almost the same, NZ
lowered it standards to match Australia standards




"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Only a fool wouldnt check if the regs differ.

 

[ZForce]

"go" <goaway@dot.com> wrote in message news:3fb61a5e@clear.net.nz...

Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color except
Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

I have seen old 3 phase cable that had red, yellow, blue

In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used. (that is stupid
for a start, a New Zealand trained person could go to Australia and get
into trouble (more trouble))

you would need to get an australian EWL and i'm sure they would make you
aware of the AS3000 and make you sit a brief test before it was issued.

"Is this a stupid idea or what ?"
I would think that Brown (or red) should be the only colors used (for
single phase), otherwise any person who does not know about electrical
safety can use any wire to wire up their house. using speaker, telephone
or automotive wire.

How does the colour of the wire affect weather the person selects the right
size conductor?
CAT5 has a brown core, if the person is an idiot then they are an idiot.

If the law stated the colors used for Phase-Neutral-Earth on single
phase wiring must be Brown (red) - Blue (black) -
Green-Yellow(Green), and must have a minimum thickness, this would
restrict the choice of cable the "home Non-authorized Electricians"
could use, and make the whole electrical world safer.

As above, traffic lights have colours and people still run red lights.

I did hear something about "home Non-authorized Electricians" can change
plug tops on appliances without accreditation. But really, what harm is
there if a bit more chlorine is added to gene pool?

 

[Rod Speed]

Tom Wright <tow@work.com> wrote in
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
go <goaway@dot.com> wrote

Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color
except Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used.
(that is stupid for a start, a New Zealand trained person
could go to Australia and get into trouble (more trouble))

Only a fool wouldnt check if the regs differ.

WHY?

Because until you check you cant be sure if they are identical, stupid.

There are in fact MASSIVE differences on
what can be done legally without a license.

the regulations between the two countries are almost the same,

Bullshit. Most obviously with what can be done without a license legally.

NZ lowered it standards to match Australia standards

Clearly NZ didnt on that particular one.

And in fact NZ has MUCH lower 'standards' on what
can be done legally without an electrician's license.

 

[Rod Speed]

"ZForce" <err@no> wrote in message news:3fb79361$0$1730$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...

"go" <goaway@dot.com> wrote in message news:3fb61a5e@clear.net.nz...
Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color except
Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

I have seen old 3 phase cable that had red, yellow, blue


In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used. (that is stupid
for a start, a New Zealand trained person could go to Australia and get
into trouble (more trouble))

you would need to get an australian EWL and i'm sure they would make you
aware of the AS3000 and make you sit a brief test before it was issued.



"Is this a stupid idea or what ?"
I would think that Brown (or red) should be the only colors used (for
single phase), otherwise any person who does not know about electrical
safety can use any wire to wire up their house. using speaker, telephone
or automotive wire.

How does the colour of the wire affect weather the person selects the right
size conductor?
CAT5 has a brown core, if the person is an idiot then they are an idiot.


If the law stated the colors used for Phase-Neutral-Earth on single
phase wiring must be Brown (red) - Blue (black) -
Green-Yellow(Green), and must have a minimum thickness, this would
restrict the choice of cable the "home Non-authorized Electricians"
could use, and make the whole electrical world safer.

As above, traffic lights have colours and people still run red lights.

I did hear something about "home Non-authorized Electricians"
can change plug tops on appliances without accreditation.

Correct. And do anything they like
with plug in appliances except in Qld.

But really, what harm is there if a bit
more chlorine is added to gene pool?

The problem arises when someone else
who didnt change the plug gets killed.

 

[Tom Wright]

ROD until about 10 years ago, the only people that could do electrical
repairs were registered people, now any wanker who knows nothing about
electricity can #### there appliance then take in for repair when they fail,

And I have seen some repair coming in to the workshop over that 10 years
that proves that don't know shit about any electrical safety nor do they
care two hoots about electrical safety .

I was lead to believe this practice came from Australia. as we merged in
with Australian standards,

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tom Wright <tow@work.com> wrote in
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
go <goaway@dot.com> wrote

Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color
except Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used.
(that is stupid for a start, a New Zealand trained person
could go to Australia and get into trouble (more trouble))

Only a fool wouldnt check if the regs differ.

WHY?

Because until you check you cant be sure if they are identical, stupid.

There are in fact MASSIVE differences on
what can be done legally without a license.

the regulations between the two countries are almost the same,

Bullshit. Most obviously with what can be done without a license legally.

NZ lowered it standards to match Australia standards

Clearly NZ didnt on that particular one.

And in fact NZ has MUCH lower 'standards' on what
can be done legally without an electrician's license.

 

[Mainlander]

In article <3fb84926@clear.net.nz>, tow@work.com says...

ROD until about 10 years ago, the only people that could do electrical
repairs were registered people, now any wanker who knows nothing about
electricity can #### there appliance then take in for repair when they fail,

And I have seen some repair coming in to the workshop over that 10 years
that proves that don't know shit about any electrical safety nor do they
care two hoots about electrical safety .

I was lead to believe this practice came from Australia. as we merged in
with Australian standards,

But you are a fool, people would do it regardless of electrical
regulations, as I am sure they would do in this country

 

[Rod Speed]

Tom Wright <tow@work.com> wrote in
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ROD until about 10 years ago, the only people that
could do electrical repairs were registered people,
now any wanker who knows nothing about electricity can
#### there appliance then take in for repair when they fail,

So, like I said, there are MASSIVE differences
between the two countrys on the detail.

Its been perfectly legal to do what you like with a plug
in appliance in Australia, for well over 50 years at least.

That has changed a little in more recent times with those
tho repair appliances commercially in Qld, but none of the
other states has been that stupid on plug in appliances.

And while at least in theory it still isnt legal to do much
work on wired in appliances like say stoves and ovens
without a license, in practice everyone who did plug in
appliances commercially did those too.

Rather like the situation with plumbing tap washers where it
wasnt strictly legal in some states to replace those yourself,
but no one ever bothered with such trivial 'offences'

And I have seen some repair coming in to the workshop over
that 10 years that proves that don't know shit about any electrical
safety nor do they care two hoots about electrical safety .

Sure, there certainly is some risk involved. But then there is with
other stuff like building your own house and renovating etc too.

The poms allow fixed wiring to be done without
a license and there isnt any evidence of any
significant different in fatalitys or house fires etc.

I was lead to believe this practice came from Australia.

Probably it did.

as we merged in with Australian standards,

Yeah, thats very likely where it came from, at about that time.
All the CER bullshit etc that started at about that sort of time.

Still makes no sense to not check the differences legally
between the countrys. You have to do that between the
states here to a lesser extent, particularly with that terminal
stupidity that Qld has introduced where you strictly speaking
need to be licensed before you can repair say a VCR etc.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tom Wright <tow@work.com> wrote in
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
go <goaway@dot.com> wrote

Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color
except Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,

In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used.
(that is stupid for a start, a New Zealand trained person
could go to Australia and get into trouble (more trouble))

Only a fool wouldnt check if the regs differ.

WHY?

Because until you check you cant be sure if they are identical, stupid.

There are in fact MASSIVE differences on
what can be done legally without a license.

the regulations between the two countries are almost the same,

Bullshit. Most obviously with what can be done without a license legally.

NZ lowered it standards to match Australia standards

Clearly NZ didnt on that particular one.

And in fact NZ has MUCH lower 'standards' on what
can be done legally without an electrician's license.

 

[SJM]

Pretty sure yellow, black and any colour blue can be used as active with
the only restrictions being green and green/yellow.

As far as people doing there own repairs, if the government were serious
about it you would be able to buy a gpo at woolworths for fucks
sake........I used to get really upset about that but now I reckon if people
want to have a go and fuck it up and kill themselves or their family thats
their problem, in fact I hope they do and I don't feel an inkling of remorse
for feeling that way.

j

"go" <goaway@dot.com> wrote in message news:3fb61a5e@clear.net.nz...
| Active wire for the mains supply in Australia can be any color except
| Green-Yellow, Green , Yellow, Black, Light Blue,
|
| In New Zealand it is the same except Yellow can be used. (that is stupid
| for a start, a New Zealand trained person could go to Australia and get
| into trouble (more trouble))
|
|
| "Is this a stupid idea or what ?"
| I would think that Brown (or red) should be the only colors used (for
| single phase), otherwise any person who does not know about electrical
| safety can use any wire to wire up their house. using speaker, telephone
| or automotive wire.
|
| If the law stated the colors used for Phase-Neutral-Earth on single
| phase wiring must be Brown (red) - Blue (black) -
| Green-Yellow(Green), and must have a minimum thickness, this would
| restrict the choice of cable the "home Non-authorized Electricians"
| could use, and make the whole electrical world safer.
|

 

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:20:18 +1000, "SJM"
<sjmarriottDOH@ozemailDOH.comDOH.auDOH> wrote:

Pretty sure yellow, black and any colour blue can be used as active with
the only restrictions being green and green/yellow.

Nope, the OP basically quoted from the latest AS3000.

That's for new installations, in the past some of those colours were
used for actives and there's no need to change them unless you're
doing a complete re-wire.

 

[James]

David Sauer wrote in message news:<84chrvce78c6kkg8ruqpsk435r0fii4rpn@4ax.com>...

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:20:18 +1000, "SJM"
sjmarriottDOH@ozemailDOH.comDOH.auDOH> wrote:

Pretty sure yellow, black and any colour blue can be used as active with
the only restrictions being green and green/yellow.

Nope, the OP basically quoted from the latest AS3000.

That's for new installations, in the past some of those colours were
used for actives and there's no need to change them unless you're
doing a complete re-wire.

Yep, thats pretty much as it says in the book.

In practice though, I have seen just about every coloured wire used
for just about anything and I haven't been looking at wiring for
really all that long. Industrial equipment and control wiring and
airconditioning seem to be the most creative with usign different
colours. Ive seen green used as an active more than a few times and
some new foreign equipment uses this today.

If you are poking around with wiring, dont assume anything at all,
thats how you get killed. AS3000 seems to go out the window sometimes
when the wiring is concealed, difficult or its too expensive to make
it comply Im not talking about house wiring or home handy men here
either. Just because a qualified person wired it and it got a COC,
don't bet your life that it will be to code and be safe. Too often I
see people making dangerous assumptions like that.

Any work you do however, should be to AS3000 and all the other
standards which it calls upon. At the end of the day you have to apply
common sense and logic. The rules are pretty much logical but some
things are subject to interpretation.

Anyway just assume all existing wires are live and make sure all new
ones you put in are to code hopefully you'll stay alive

cheers
james