Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created...

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Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe
 
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Where did atomic structure come from?
 
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 4:20:51 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe.

Where did atomic structure come from?

Linus Pauling thought that it came from the electron orbitals around the atoms. Or that\'s what I got taught as an undergraduate in the 1960\'s.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:20:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
<d9ad327f-d21d-4ca8-9f9d-c2a7976b381fn@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Where did atomic structure come from?

Good question
I have some idea, that is all
[1] I think all matter is conscious.
That does not answer yur question
But I also thing the smaller you look the more you will find
and that our few neurons ? will not - or never find an end to that
We are like an ant creeping up a wall that has no idea
about the construction, the bricks, the reason it was build, what it was build for
and the architect that came up with it.
But it is fun to try to solve the puzzle.
but if [1] is true then we (and the ant) already know all.

So much for just waking up :)
 
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r8eqp21jf239brf0c3@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)
 
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 06:34:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:20:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
d9ad327f-d21d-4ca8-9f9d-c2a7976b381fn@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Where did atomic structure come from?

Good question
I have some idea, that is all
[1] I think all matter is conscious.

Really? So you share the same belief system as - among many other
societies - N. American native indian people?
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 17:52:20 +0000) it happened Cursitor Doom
<cd@notformail.com> wrote in <icqe3hdhpfcq6kkc2h11uencps6ja2dcdr@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 06:34:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:20:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
d9ad327f-d21d-4ca8-9f9d-c2a7976b381fn@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Where did atomic structure come from?

Good question
I have some idea, that is all
[1] I think all matter is conscious.

Really? So you share the same belief system as - among many other
societies - N. American native indian people?

I am not much of a believer, almost a \'show me\' person,
but from experience.

Everything in this universe or whatever you like to call it, is connected.
Every electron that moves is experienced a bit later everywhere else.
Also in the chemical reaction. if you like to call it that way, that we are.

It is all about awareness.

One could perhaps say that if we knew all factors all would unfold in a specific way
where we are just part of the process and what we think and do about things was determined
from the big bang or whatever there was before that, no free will.
But then also all is known for those who understand that process..

Say you want A and A happens, was you wanting A a coincidence or some result from you wanting
or just the bang unfolding that way,
or did you want A because you knew the mechanism of the bang unfolding and knew A would happen
etc etc

To answer your question from an other perspective
- what is consciousness?-
I have often stated that even a sunscreen that closes and open with a little motor and light sensor is \'conscious\' of light
add a beeper or voice and it will tell you when it is light and dark and what it is going to do.
We are in that way not much more.
Books have been written about it, what consciousness is,,,
Keep it simple.
An electron is conscious of other electrons as it reacts to their presence by moving.
Its all simple
Maybe it [each] has a story to tell
 
On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 4:20:51 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe.

Where did atomic structure come from?
Linus Pauling thought that it came from the electron orbitals around the atoms. Or that\'s what I got taught as an undergraduate in the 1960\'s.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

No, that doesn\'t answer my question at all. Where did electrons come from, then, where did neutrons come from, then, where did protons come from, then, where did strong nuclear force come from...?

The idea that the universe just randomly self-assembled MUST assume that SOMETHING existed at some point - where did that SOMETHING come from?
 
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 1:42:42 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 4:20:51 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe.

Where did atomic structure come from?
Linus Pauling thought that it came from the electron orbitals around the atoms. Or that\'s what I got taught as an undergraduate in the 1960\'s.

That\'s something I was recently thinking about. The orbitals are essentially always there. The difference in elements chemical behavior is how many orbitals have electrons in them which, in turn, is determined by the number of protons in the nucleus, the atomic number.

Most of my chemistry knowledge is long gone really. But I wonder if this realization is significant in chemistry. Are there times when there are electrons in orbitals that impact the chemical behavior, other than the number determined by the atomic number. I haven\'t given this much thought really.. I need to mull on it a bit to see if I can recall anything relating to this from my chemistry background.

One concept that I\'ve never fully considered is the idea of orbital hybridization. SP1, SP2, etc. What is the influence that causes such hybridization? Is it just the presence of another atom with appropriate empty orbitals?

--

Rick C.

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On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 2:35:00 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:20:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
d9ad327f-d21d-4ca8...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Where did atomic structure come from?
Good question
I have some idea, that is all
[1] I think all matter is conscious.
That does not answer yur question
But I also thing the smaller you look the more you will find
and that our few neurons ? will not - or never find an end to that
We are like an ant creeping up a wall that has no idea
about the construction, the bricks, the reason it was build, what it was build for
and the architect that came up with it.
But it is fun to try to solve the puzzle.
but if [1] is true then we (and the ant) already know all.

So much for just waking up :)

All matter can be just as conscious as anything else.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 2:28:22 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 17:52:20 +0000) it happened Cursitor Doom
c...@notformail.com> wrote in <icqe3hdhpfcq6kkc2...@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 06:34:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:20:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
d9ad327f-d21d-4ca8...@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Where did atomic structure come from?

Good question
I have some idea, that is all
[1] I think all matter is conscious.

Really? So you share the same belief system as - among many other
societies - N. American native indian people?
I am not much of a believer, almost a \'show me\' person,
but from experience.

Everything in this universe or whatever you like to call it, is connected..
Every electron that moves is experienced a bit later everywhere else.
Also in the chemical reaction. if you like to call it that way, that we are.

It is all about awareness.

One could perhaps say that if we knew all factors all would unfold in a specific way
where we are just part of the process and what we think and do about things was determined
from the big bang or whatever there was before that, no free will.
But then also all is known for those who understand that process..

This is not a new thought. It is a rather obvious thought at that.


Say you want A and A happens, was you wanting A a coincidence or some result from you wanting
or just the bang unfolding that way,
or did you want A because you knew the mechanism of the bang unfolding and knew A would happen
etc etc

Hmmm... the connection between wanting and knowing and happening is a bit tenuous.


To answer your question from an other perspective
- what is consciousness?-
I have often stated that even a sunscreen that closes and open with a little motor and light sensor is \'conscious\' of light
add a beeper or voice and it will tell you when it is light and dark and what it is going to do.
We are in that way not much more.
Books have been written about it, what consciousness is,,,

Yes, because defining consciousness is not nearly as simple as you seem to believe.


Keep it simple.
An electron is conscious of other electrons as it reacts to their presence by moving.
Its all simple
Maybe it [each] has a story to tell

That is a definition of consciousness that has little to offer. Considering such consciousness results in pretty much nothing of value. Ok, so everything has consciousness. So what? Now we need to come up with another term that describes the mind that is not only aware of the other, but the self.. And now we are back where we started.

I would also point out that you are talking about electrons having consciousness, while electrons don\'t actually exist other than in our minds as a useful construct to explain the nature of the universe.

--

Rick C.

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On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:33:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r8eqp21jf239brf0c3@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)

Some serious biologists have done the math and got essentially zero.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 4:20:51 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe.

Where did atomic structure come from?
Linus Pauling thought that it came from the electron orbitals around the atoms. Or that\'s what I got taught as an undergraduate in the 1960\'s.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
No, that doesn\'t answer my question at all. Where did electrons come from, then, where did neutrons come from, then, where did protons come from, then, where did strong nuclear force come from...?

The idea that the universe just randomly self-assembled MUST assume that SOMETHING existed at some point - where did that SOMETHING come from?

Your concept of the requirement for there to have been no beginning, no point of creation of the universe, is not self apparent. Everything in our existence has been a matter of B being caused by A. But there was universe before our existence, going back long enough that there is no reason to think a beginning of the universe is not possible.

Considering what existed before existence, is a category error. The question does not apply any more than asking, what direction is purple? How good does fresh baked bread smell if you have no olfactory organ? In an jet airplane, how many miles do you get to a thought? How tall were you before your grandparents were born?

--

Rick C.

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On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 3:56:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:33:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r...@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)
Some serious biologists have done the math and got essentially zero.

I guess some people are better at math than others. I hope they showed their work.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 6:23:41 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 4:20:51 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:15:13 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe.

Where did atomic structure come from?

Linus Pauling thought that it came from the electron orbitals around the atoms. Or that\'s what I got taught as an undergraduate in the 1960\'s.

No, that doesn\'t answer my question at all.

Of course it doesn\'t. You are much too dim to ask a useful question.

Where did electrons come from, then, where did neutrons come from, then, where did protons come from, then, where did strong nuclear force come from....?

The idea that the universe just randomly self-assembled MUST assume that SOMETHING existed at some point - where did that SOMETHING come from?

That\'s what the Big Bang Theory addresses, at least to some extent. It puts the universe through a process that completely randomises anything that might have been there before, so there\'s no point in asking anything about it.. You may see it as a cop-out, but science is about asking questions that might get answered. Gibbering idiots like you don\'t ask that kind of question.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 6:56:45 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:33:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r...@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)

Some serious biologists have done the math and got essentially zero.

Quite a while ago, and for a rather different system. John Larkin doesn\'t really understand the question, and he\'s even weaker at understanding what might constitute an answer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 12:56:34 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<el1f3h11hv05ngtoegd8nhsdg5j57onu5u@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:33:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r8eqp21jf239brf0c3@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)

Some serious biologists have done the math and got essentially zero.

Proof of 100% is that you are here.
 
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 06:09:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 12:56:34 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
el1f3h11hv05ngtoegd8nhsdg5j57onu5u@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:33:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r8eqp21jf239brf0c3@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)

Some serious biologists have done the math and got essentially zero.

Proof of 100% is that you are here.

Somehow. But RNA World requires at least as much faith as \"God did
it.\"



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye
 
On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Mar 2022 07:22:21 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<oe2h3hhavhn01k48a0312vdp12bt56m5sl@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 06:09:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 12:56:34 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
el1f3h11hv05ngtoegd8nhsdg5j57onu5u@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:33:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 08:19:46 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
v5he3h98mg0gd9j1r8eqp21jf239brf0c3@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 06:13:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Self replicating and evolving RNA molecule created

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220318080244.htm
So all life can come from simple chemical reactions
and must be omnipresent in our universe

Not exactly \"simple chemical reactions.\"

Of course, the complex replication experiment was designed by the
experimenters, and the replication rounds were forced by laboratory
equipment intelligently programmed.

The big question around things like this is, what\'s the probability
that a system like this - which is hardly cellular life yet - could
happen accidentally in an inorganic world?

100%
:)

Some serious biologists have done the math and got essentially zero.

Proof of 100% is that you are here.

Somehow. But RNA World requires at least as much faith as \"God did
it.\"

I dunno, I did read that paper and it says on page 1:
<quote>
Here, we continued the serial transfer experiment up to 240
rounds (1200 h). Sequence analysis uncovered that two previously
detected host RNA lineages became sustained and further
diverged into multiple sublineages of host and parasitic RNAs.
The population dynamics of each lineage gradually changed
during the evolution, from dynamically fluctuating stages to
quasi-stable coexistence, suggesting the appearance of co-
replicative relationships among the lineages. Biochemical ana-
lyses supported the co-replication of dominant RNAs in the
different lineages containing a cooperative RNA that replicates all
other members, thus establishing a multiple replicator network.
<end quote>

There are several ways cultures refer to \'God\'
Some (India, gurus) say it is the power inside you that you can experience.
Is actually a state of mind caused by love your mama love you pa based 50% hit,
do meditation to feel the difference.
The Christian churches often refer to some external creator.
One common thing I see is that all put one guy (human) in command who then asks for your money,
describes rules you need to follow to \'see\' or experience God, and basically are a dictatorship
interwoven with normal politics (everyone not obeying is bad or devil or whatever).
Business models!

There was a reason Jesus tore those stands down at the temple.
The Roman empire made Christianity its religion, commercialization and silly ideas followed
those who disagreed where burned or treated as witches.

Promising liberation after death to the poor if they dance to your tune is as old as the world as is medicine men
doing the rain dance...
Personally I use rain-radar (online here) if I want to go biking ..
 

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