Sansui brand name

[Franc Zabkar]

Is there any relationship between the Sansui equipment of old and the
Sansui branded audio gear sold by the Strathfield Group and
distributed (?) by the Yale Appliance Group?

Yale's Sansui logo looks nothing like the original:
http://www.yale-ag.com/images/logos.jpg

Is this some clever marketing ploy to cash in on the goodwill of a
well recognised, albeit defunct brand name?


-- Franc Zabkar

Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Phil Allison]

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Is there any relationship between the Sansui equipment of old and the
Sansui branded audio gear sold by the Strathfield Group and
distributed (?) by the Yale Appliance Group?

** Very unlikely - in the sense of a continuity of design and
manufacture.

Yale's Sansui logo looks nothing like the original:
http://www.yale-ag.com/images/logos.jpg

** Logos can get an update from time to time.

Is this some clever marketing ploy to cash in on the goodwill of a
well recognised, albeit defunct brand name?

** Famous brand names never die - they just get new owners in
different parts of Asia.



.......... Phil

 

[BOB URZ]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Is there any relationship between the Sansui equipment of old and the
Sansui branded audio gear sold by the Strathfield Group and
distributed (?) by the Yale Appliance Group?

** Very unlikely - in the sense of a continuity of design and
manufacture.


Yale's Sansui logo looks nothing like the original:
http://www.yale-ag.com/images/logos.jpg


** Logos can get an update from time to time.

Is this some clever marketing ploy to cash in on the goodwill of a
well recognised, albeit defunct brand name?

** Famous brand names never die - they just get new owners in
different parts of Asia.

.......... Phil

Some truth in what Phil says. In the US, Sansui is no relation to the
original
stuff and is cheap asian low end junk. Phase linear and advent was sold to
Jensen who was absorbed by Retocon and Jensen is about to be orphaned in
the dismembering of Retocon. Any late model Phase Liner stuff is not the
high
end stuff of old. KLH used to be quality stuff. Now the electronics i have
seen are low end. RCA was bought by Thompson. Zenith by the koreans.
These days, its hard to keep track of who owns who and who actually makes
it. Back in the good old days, the Japanese built there good stuff in
Japan.
Now, its too expensive to build Japanese stuff in japan. Go figure.
Even a lot of the commercial TOA amplifiers i use are not made in Japan
any more.

The consumer electronics repair industry is slowly going into extinction
due
to cheap, crap imports that are uneconomical to repair or service
information
hard to get or non existent. Don't know how it is in Aus, but in the US,
there
used to be a lot of Small TV repair shops run by families. No more.
Used to be a number of trade schools for TV repair. Those are mostly gone
too. About The only thing left is schools teaching computer geeks how to
be
board changers.

BOB




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Phil Allison wrote:

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:0v62gv4g3o664bmd51vicj260cnqasv6ia@4ax.com...

Is there any relationship between the Sansui equipment of old and the
Sansui branded audio gear sold by the Strathfield Group and
distributed (?) by the Yale Appliance Group?

** Very unlikely - in the sense of a continuity of design and
manufacture.


Yale's Sansui logo looks nothing like the original:
http://www.yale-ag.com/images/logos.jpg


** Logos can get an update from time to time.

Is this some clever marketing ploy to cash in on the goodwill of a
well recognised, albeit defunct brand name?

** Famous brand names never die - they just get new owners in
different parts of Asia.

.......... Phil

Some truth in what Phil says. In the US, Sansui is no relation to the
original
stuff and is cheap asian low end junk. Phase linear and advent was sold to
Jensen who was absorbed by Retocon and Jensen is about to be orphaned in
the dismembering of Retocon. Any late model Phase Liner stuff is not the
high
end stuff of old. KLH used to be quality stuff. Now the electronics i have
seen are low end. RCA was bought by Thompson. Zenith by the koreans.
These days, its hard to keep track of who owns who and who actually makes
it. Back in the good old days, the Japanese built there good stuff in
Japan.
Now, its too expensive to build Japanese stuff in japan. Go figure.
Even a lot of the commercial TOA amplifiers i use are not made in Japan
any more.

The consumer electronics repair industry is slowly going into extinction

Yep, the modern reality is that its a hell of a lot cheaper to
have some low wage asian stamp one out on a production
line in asia than it will ever be to have some relatively
expensive first world tech repair it now.

Been like that for years and years now with the cheaper
domestic appliances, and that basic approach is not the
only thing that makes any sense with VCRs, TVs etc too now.

due to cheap, crap imports

Plenty of them are cheap and not crap at all.

that are uneconomical to repair

Because the replacement is so cheap, stupid.

or service information hard to get or non existent.

Because no one with any sense repairs them anymore.

Don't know how it is in Aus, but in the US, there used to
be a lot of Small TV repair shops run by families. No more.

There's still a few around here. Makes no real sense to use them tho.

Used to be a number of trade schools for TV repair. Those
are mostly gone too. About The only thing left is schools
teaching computer geeks how to be board changers.

And board changing is all that makes sense with PCs too,
for the same reason. Its often a good excuse to upgrade too.

 

[Phil Allison]

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Phil Allison wrote:


** Famous brand names never die - they just get new owners in
different parts of Asia.

.......... Phil

Some truth in what Phil says. In the US, Sansui is no relation to the
original> stuff and is cheap asian low end junk.

**Oh, get real. Sansui was always at the cutting edge
of manufacturing> cheap, low end junk. Cheap, crappy power transformers,

plastic chassis

parts, poorly mounted output devices, etc, etc. Back in the 80s, nobody
built worse equipment.

** TW is selecting his facts again - all the 70s Sansui amps were
well made.

Phase linear and advent was sold to Jensen who was absorbed by Retocon
and Jensen is about to be orphaned in
the dismembering of Retocon. Any late model Phase Liner stuff is not the
high end stuff of old.


**I hate to disappoint, but Phase Linear NEVER built high end stuff.

** TW is off his head. Phase Linear was a major status hi-fi brand in
the 70s.

By the early 80s the factory was closed. The designer went on to
create the Carver range and his technical staff became the Rane Corporation.



Hell, their power amps could not even maintain high power outputs, without
fan

assistance.

** TW is off his head - domestic hi-fi is not a PA system.



Their preamps.....well..... the less said, the better. Utter

nightmares to service.

** TW is off his head - period.

Back in the good old days, the Japanese built there good stuff in
Japan.


**Is that so?

** Yes. TW is about to produce a rare exception so I will snip it.

**They're rapidly becoming extinct too. It's hardly worth swapping boards
in
computers now.

** Shame about all the folk that do just that then.

TW is a waste of space.



................ Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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Phil Allison wrote:


** Famous brand names never die - they just get new owners in
different parts of Asia.

.......... Phil

Some truth in what Phil says. In the US, Sansui is no relation to the
original> stuff and is cheap asian low end junk.


**Oh, get real. Sansui was always at the cutting edge
of manufacturing> cheap, low end junk. Cheap, crappy power transformers,
plastic chassis
parts, poorly mounted output devices, etc, etc. Back in the 80s, nobody
built worse equipment.


** TW is selecting his facts again - all the 70s Sansui amps were
well made.

**Oh really? Tell me about:
A303
A505
R505
G3300
D90
D100
Full auto turntables
Etc.

All employed poor construction materials and techniques. Output devices, for
instance, were pressure mounted, by mild steel to heatsinks. Over time, the
output devices no longer made proper contact with the heatsink. The cassette
decks employed ALC and poor quality mechanics, requiring constant
replacement of idlers. The turntables were just plain horrible The clutch
mechanisms, driving the arm mechs were constantly failing. The mid range and
high end Sansuis were reasonable. At least as good as the competition. Their
low end stuff (which they sold lots of) was just plain old crap. Those of us
who serviced it (which you clearly have not) know it well.

Phase linear and advent was sold to Jensen who was absorbed by Retocon
and Jensen is about to be orphaned in
the dismembering of Retocon. Any late model Phase Liner stuff is not
the
high end stuff of old.


**I hate to disappoint, but Phase Linear NEVER built high end stuff.


** TW is off his head. Phase Linear was a major status hi-fi brand
in
the 70s.

**Dream on. It was built to provide the most number of Watts, for the least
number of Dollars. Nothing more. How much was a Phase Linear 700 in 1975?

By the early 80s the factory was closed. The designer went on to
create the Carver range and his technical staff became the Rane
Corporation.



Hell, their power amps could not even maintain high power outputs, without
fan
assistance.


** TW is off his head - domestic hi-fi is not a PA system.

**The Phase Linear amps (400 & 700) were not able to meet the IHF
pre-testing conditions, without fan assistance. They employed pitifully
small heat sinks.

Their preamps.....well..... the less said, the better. Utter
nightmares to service.


** TW is off his head - period.

**OK, Phil. I have a Phase Linear 4000 preamp here. You can service it
anytime you wish. I'll pay you one hour's labour. If it's so damned easy to
service, you'll come out way ahead. Seems fair to me.

Back in the good old days, the Japanese built there good stuff in
Japan.


**Is that so?


** Yes. TW is about to produce a rare exception so I will snip it.

**Hardly a rare exception. Sony were producing reel to reel machines in
Singapore, back in the 1970s. They performed just fine.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Phil Allison]

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**Oh, get real. Sansui was always at the cutting edge
of manufacturing> cheap, low end junk. Cheap, crappy power
transformers,
plastic chassis
parts, poorly mounted output devices, etc, etc. Back in the 80s,
nobody
built worse equipment.


** TW is selecting his facts again - all the 70s Sansui amps were
well made.

**Oh really? Tell me about:

(snip drivel) The topic was amps - see above "amps" !!!!

**I hate to disappoint, but Phase Linear NEVER built high end stuff.


** TW is off his head. Phase Linear was a major status hi-fi
brand
in the 70s.


**Dream on. It was built to provide the most number of Watts, for the
least
number of Dollars. Nothing more. How much was a Phase Linear 700 in 1975?

** TW has no clue what I posted.

He thinks I posted somethig else.

Hell, their power amps could not even maintain high power outputs,
without
fan assistance.


** TW is off his head - domestic hi-fi is not a PA system.


**The Phase Linear amps (400 & 700) were not able to meet the IHF
pre-testing conditions, without fan assistance. They employed pitifully
small heat sinks.

** Everyone complained that IHF test was way WAY too tough.

PL amps were fine in practice.

( More TW irelevant shite.)

Their preamps.....well..... the less said, the better. Utter
nightmares to service.


** TW is off his head - period.


**OK, Phil.

( snip shite) TW - the topic was *not* servicing.

** Yes. TW is about to produce a rare exception so I will snip
it.

**Hardly a rare exception. Sony were producing reel to reel machines in
Singapore, back in the 1970s. They performed just fine.

** TW - that is the reverse of the topic.

You are off your head.



............. Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

(snip drivel) The topic was amps - see above "amps" !!!!

**Most of what I listed WERE amps.

** So what - they are ones nobody bought.

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

**The Phase Linear amps (400 & 700) were not able to meet the IHF
pre-testing conditions, without fan assistance. They employed
pitifully
small heat sinks.


** Everyone complained that IHF test was way WAY too tough.

**And yet, many manufacturers were able to comply.

** Irrelevant.

PL amps were fine in practice.

**Except for those that oscillated their brains out. And those that were
required to deliver lots of power, in enclosed spaces, without fan cooling

** Usage contrary to instructions.

TW is off his fucking head.

( snip shite) TW - the topic was *not* servicing.

**Yes, it was. Readf Bob Urz comments again.

** You were replying to my post.

** TW - that is the reverse of the topic.

**Nope. Just another example to prove a point.

** Exceptions only prove that exceptions exist.

TW is a fallacious debater.

Go read my ten cheats again.

How many bits did a Philips CD100 convert ???????



............ Phil

 

[KLR]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:41 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message



(snip drivel) The topic was amps - see above "amps" !!!!

**Most of what I listed WERE amps.


** So what - they are ones nobody bought.

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

Very much so.

I still have an old Sansui AU 2200. (didnt know the model then but
just went and had a look since the topic was brought up) which is in
use in the garage workshop.

I have NO complaints about the performance or the quality. Got given

it (used) in the late 80s and had no trouble other than noisy volume
control (which was why I got it given to me) which was soon fixed with
a bit of CRC 2-26. Has plenty of volume and good sound quality to my
liking.

As for serviceability - Never had to do anything else to it - so can't

comment on that being easy or not. By modern standards it could use an
extra set or 2 of inputs - and having the tape socket on the front is
a bit unsightly - but I'm sure that this setup was quite adequate for
the time it was made when all that was around was probably tape, tuner
and phono .

I'm quite sure that there were (by the hifi brigade golden ear

standards) much better amps around at the time, and no doubt the thing
is probably crap by todays standards of sound quality but I have no
complaints about this one.

**The Phase Linear amps (400 & 700) were not able to meet the IHF
pre-testing conditions, without fan assistance. They employed
pitifully
small heat sinks.


** Everyone complained that IHF test was way WAY too tough.

**And yet, many manufacturers were able to comply.

** Irrelevant.


PL amps were fine in practice.

**Except for those that oscillated their brains out. And those that were
required to deliver lots of power, in enclosed spaces, without fan cooling


** Usage contrary to instructions.

TW is off his fucking head.




( snip shite) TW - the topic was *not* servicing.

**Yes, it was. Readf Bob Urz comments again.

** You were replying to my post.




** TW - that is the reverse of the topic.

**Nope. Just another example to prove a point.



** Exceptions only prove that exceptions exist.

TW is a fallacious debater.

Go read my ten cheats again.

How many bits did a Philips CD100 convert ???????



........... Phil

 

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(snip drivel) The topic was amps - see above "amps" !!!!

**Most of what I listed WERE amps.


** So what - they are ones nobody bought.

**You would be wrong. Those are the amps that MOST people purchased.

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

**YOU said that. I did not. Moreover, the thousands who purchased the cheap,
crappy Sansui stuff (and the techs who serviced them) will know EXACTLY what
I am talking about. The AU series Sansui stuff was, indeed, excellent. Their
cheaper stuff was not.

**The Phase Linear amps (400 & 700) were not able to meet the IHF
pre-testing conditions, without fan assistance. They employed
pitifully
small heat sinks.


** Everyone complained that IHF test was way WAY too tough.

**And yet, many manufacturers were able to comply.

** Irrelevant.


PL amps were fine in practice.

**Except for those that oscillated their brains out. And those that were
required to deliver lots of power, in enclosed spaces, without fan
cooling


** Usage contrary to instructions.

**Unless one was required to actually meet the IHF specifications, of
course. Funnily enough, many, many other decent amplifiers, managed to pass
the IHF requirements with ease. Phase Linears could not, because they were
simply built to provide maximum power, at minimum price.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:41 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@optusnet.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

The last Sansui amp I remember repairing was an AU4900. I was
surprised to find that its designer had created a full wave bridge
using eight 1A rectifiers connected as four pairs of diodes in
parallel. He/she was apparently under the misconception that the
bridge could now handle 2A. I was shocked to see such a fundamental
error from a high end (?) brand name. Fittingly the fault was shorted
rectifier diodes. Needless to say I rebuilt the bridge with four 3A
versions.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:41 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

The last Sansui amp I remember repairing was an AU4900. I was
surprised to find that its designer had created a full wave bridge
using eight 1A rectifiers connected as four pairs of diodes in
parallel. He/she was apparently under the misconception that the
bridge could now handle 2A. I was shocked to see such a fundamental
error from a high end (?) brand name. Fittingly the fault was shorted
rectifier diodes. Needless to say I rebuilt the bridge with four 3A
versions.

**A very common problem with this model. Another common fault was noisy tone
amp transistors. A bugger to find and fix. Ironically, you saw one of the
BETTER Sansui models. You should look at the ones which used plastic chassis
parts, mild steel (they could not afford spring steel??!!) retaining systems
for output devices, no VI limiting circuits and other cost-cutting moves.
With junk like that, it is no wonder that people stopped buying Sansui.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com

 

[Phil Allison]

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(snip drivel) The topic was amps - see above "amps" !!!!

**Most of what I listed WERE amps.


** So what - they are ones nobody bought.

**You would be wrong. Those are the amps that MOST people purchased.


70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

**YOU said that. I did not.

** I did, and it is true.

**The Phase Linear amps (400 & 700) were not able to meet the IHF
pre-testing conditions, without fan assistance. They employed
pitifully > > > small heat sinks.


** Everyone complained that IHF test was way WAY too tough.

**And yet, many manufacturers were able to comply.

** Irrelevant.


PL amps were fine in practice.

**Except for those that oscillated their brains out. And those that
were
required to deliver lots of power, in enclosed spaces, without fan
cooling


** Usage contrary to instructions.


**Unless one was required to actually meet the IHF specifications, of
course.

** IHF did not require enclosed spaces and no fan cooling.

TW is off his head.



Funnily enough, many, many other decent amplifiers, managed to pass

the IHF requirements with ease.

** TW does not know what irrelevant means.


Phase Linears could not, because they were

simply built to provide maximum power, at minimum price.

** See above.



.............. Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:41 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

The last Sansui amp I remember repairing was an AU4900. I was
surprised to find that its designer had created a full wave bridge
using eight 1A rectifiers connected as four pairs of diodes in
parallel. He/she was apparently under the misconception that the
bridge could now handle 2A. I was shocked to see such a fundamental
error from a high end (?) brand name. Fittingly the fault was shorted
rectifier diodes. Needless to say I rebuilt the bridge with four 3A
versions.

** Paralleled power diodes work fine.

The error is all yours.



................ Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:41 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of eveyone
except you.

The last Sansui amp I remember repairing was an AU4900. I was
surprised to find that its designer had created a full wave bridge
using eight 1A rectifiers connected as four pairs of diodes in
parallel. He/she was apparently under the misconception that the
bridge could now handle 2A. I was shocked to see such a fundamental
error from a high end (?) brand name. Fittingly the fault was shorted
rectifier diodes. Needless to say I rebuilt the bridge with four 3A
versions.



** Paralleled power diodes work fine.

**Clearly you have not had to service many of these amps. Power diodes and
tone amp transistors were VERY common failure modes. In the last 25 years, I
have probably replaced diodes in several hundred of these amplifiers. FAR in
excess of similar amps, from other manufacturers. Other manufacturers chose
(correctly) to use single, large diodes, or appropriately rated bridges.
Sansui, for reasons best known to their designers decided to ignore good
engineering practice and use 1 Amp diodes instead.

The error is all yours.

**Nope. He is correct. After replacing diodes with single, higher rated
devices, the amplifiers never failed (in that particular manner) again.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com

 

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(snip drivel) The topic was amps - see above "amps" !!!!

**Most of what I listed WERE amps.


** So what - they are ones nobody bought.

**You would be wrong. Those are the amps that MOST people purchased.


70s Sansui means the famous AU series in the minds of
eveyone
except you.

**YOU said that. I did not.


** I did, and it is true.

**Prove it.

** How many bits did a Philips CD100, Marantz 63, 73 etc convert TW
???

** IHF did not require enclosed spaces and no fan cooling.

**The Phase Linear amps could not meet the IHF specs, in their standard
form. Many other, decently designed amps could.

** Go look up the word "irrelevant" ..... and fucking choke on it.



.............. Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

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** You are a fuckwit TW - you have never been correct in your
whole
life.

**Lack of substantive facts, experience, or evidence, duly noted.

** How many bits does a Philips CD100, Marantz 63 73 etc convert ???

Why the silence on this TW ?

I know why.

Trevor Wilson is a vile charlatan and a lying turd - that is the
reason.



.............. Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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** You are a fuckwit TW - you have never been correct in your
whole
life.

**Lack of substantive facts, experience, or evidence, duly noted.



** How many bits does a Philips CD100, Marantz 63 73 etc convert ???

Why the silence on this TW ?

**Look up the term: 'Strawman argument'.

Now look up the title of the thread.

You've lost the plot.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com

 

[Phil Allison]

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"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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** You are a fuckwit TW - you have never been correct in your
whole
life.

**Lack of substantive facts, experience, or evidence, duly noted.



** How many bits does a Philips CD100, Marantz 63 73 etc convert ???

Why the silence on this TW ?

**Look up the term: 'Strawman argument'.

** This is no straw man - it goes to the heart of why TW is a lying
charlatan and a fraudster.



................ Phil

 

[Sir Nigel Puke-Fuui]

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:27:56 +1000, "Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message



** Paralleled power diodes work fine.

**Clearly you have not had to service many of these amps.


** Irrelevant - for fuck sake TW go look up the word in a
dictionary!!!


The error is all yours.


**Nope. He is correct.



** You are a fuckwit TW - you have never been correct in your whole
life.



........... Phil