sad state of the Americal press

[John Larkin]

https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[bitrex]

On 1/29/20 4:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

"Military Cyber Professional Association"?

Explosively-pumped magnetic flux compression generators have been in the
open literature since the 80s probably; the only thing a terrorist could
have any realistic chance of building that might be able to do some real
(very localized) damage from EMP.

I expect a terrorist organization would prefer to just use the 35 lbs of
RDX or w/e required to just blow something up if they could get their
hands on it, though.

 

[Clive Arthur]

On 29/01/2020 21:52, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

The second quote below reminds me of the 70's when they warned us that
pocket calculators could throw off a plane's navigation.

I'm at a loss for words about the first quote.

"However, one device that scales up well for little money is the Tesla
coil. A potent coil can be built for about $2000 within the means of any
amateur or terrorist. The ground connects the whole electrical system,
and there is no remediation if you create impulses into the ground
system. When you open a circuit breaker with 3-phase power, it does not
disconnect the ground."

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that has a
flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some cases, cell
phones also have flash capability, so there are multiple possible EMP
generators on board."

But luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.

--
Cheers
Clive

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:52:42 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

The second quote below reminds me of the 70's when they warned us that
pocket calculators could throw off a plane's navigation.

I'm at a loss for words about the first quote.

"However, one device that scales up well for little money is the Tesla
coil. A potent coil can be built for about $2000 within the means of any
amateur or terrorist. The ground connects the whole electrical system,
and there is no remediation if you create impulses into the ground
system. When you open a circuit breaker with 3-phase power, it does not
disconnect the ground."

What can I say?

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that has a
flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some cases, cell
phones also have flash capability, so there are multiple possible EMP
generators on board."

I assume that whoever wrote this has blown up every electronic device
in his own house. Or city.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

John Larkin wrote:
> https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

The second quote below reminds me of the 70's when they warned us that
pocket calculators could throw off a plane's navigation.

I'm at a loss for words about the first quote.

"However, one device that scales up well for little money is the Tesla
coil. A potent coil can be built for about $2000 within the means of any
amateur or terrorist. The ground connects the whole electrical system,
and there is no remediation if you create impulses into the ground
system. When you open a circuit breaker with 3-phase power, it does not
disconnect the ground."

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that has a
flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some cases, cell
phones also have flash capability, so there are multiple possible EMP
generators on board."

 

[bitrex]

On 1/29/20 4:42 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 1/29/20 4:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda



"Military Cyber Professional Association"?

Explosively-pumped magnetic flux compression generators have been in the
open literature since the 80s probably; the only thing a terrorist could
have any realistic chance of building that might be able to do some real
(very localized) damage from EMP.

Most of the math and electronics/mechancial skill of designing a working
nuclear bomb would go into making it but none of the fissile material
required. Also, none of the big boom.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:30:02 +0000, Clive Arthur
<cliveta@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 29/01/2020 21:52, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

The second quote below reminds me of the 70's when they warned us that
pocket calculators could throw off a plane's navigation.

I'm at a loss for words about the first quote.

"However, one device that scales up well for little money is the Tesla
coil. A potent coil can be built for about $2000 within the means of any
amateur or terrorist. The ground connects the whole electrical system,
and there is no remediation if you create impulses into the ground
system. When you open a circuit breaker with 3-phase power, it does not
disconnect the ground."

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that has a
flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some cases, cell
phones also have flash capability, so there are multiple possible EMP
generators on board."

But luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.

Namely sitting on the ground?

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

"Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote
in news:r0surb$is3$1@dont-email.me:

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that
has a flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some
cases, cell phones also have flash capability, so there are
multiple possible EMP generators on board."

Camera flash units generate a pulse, but the energy is minimal.

When talking about an EMP pulse significant enough to cause damage
to electrical circuits, mentioning a fart like a car coil or a camera
flash provides us with what? That is like mentioning a femtowatt
when the load requires Megawatts.

"EMP generators onboard jets"... What?

What sci fi movies you been watchin' boy?

The only 'EMP generators onboard jets' are friggin' nukes.

 

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:k7343f538i050tsvlt97ihvb6b5e3n87ku@4ax.com:

But luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.

Namely sitting on the ground?

No. Namely pure fucking flight stats, dippy dumbass.

You been sittin' on yer brain too long, boy.

 

[boB]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

"Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote
in news:r0surb$is3$1@dont-email.me:

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that
has a flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some
cases, cell phones also have flash capability, so there are
multiple possible EMP generators on board."


Camera flash units generate a pulse, but the energy is minimal.

When talking about an EMP pulse significant enough to cause damage
to electrical circuits, mentioning a fart like a car coil or a camera
flash provides us with what? That is like mentioning a femtowatt
when the load requires Megawatts.

"EMP generators onboard jets"... What?

What sci fi movies you been watchin' boy?

The only 'EMP generators onboard jets' are friggin' nukes.

Yeah, quite a bit of BS in that article except for the nuke parts.

 

....but luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.....

That all depends on which manufacturer has the most airplanes flying in and out of China at the moment

 

[Clive Arthur]

On 30/01/2020 13:21, bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:

...but luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.....

That all depends on which manufacturer has the most airplanes flying in and out of China at the moment

I know some are worried that the Huawei 5G equipment might have security
implication, but actual viruses?

--
Cheers
Clive

 

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 4:28:23 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

That is not the "American press," it is one of maybe hundreds of military oriented wackadoodle "organizations" thrown together to shill for some half-assed industry or another. In this case it is obviously cyber security IT. Article is idiotic, written by some half-assed idiot, for other half-assed idiots. Very military oriented in other words.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Martin Brown]

On 29/01/2020 22:11, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:52:42 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

The second quote below reminds me of the 70's when they warned us that
pocket calculators could throw off a plane's navigation.

I'm at a loss for words about the first quote.

"However, one device that scales up well for little money is the Tesla
coil. A potent coil can be built for about $2000 within the means of any
amateur or terrorist. The ground connects the whole electrical system,
and there is no remediation if you create impulses into the ground
system. When you open a circuit breaker with 3-phase power, it does not
disconnect the ground."

What can I say?

They seem to have confused "RF electrical interference" with true EMP
where electrons are very suddenly accelerated sideways in matter.

You could probably make a device to shrink coinage as a (dangerous)
amateur science experiment. Such designs have been in SciAms AmSci along
with a build your own atom smasher which could also be risky. My friend
built the Van der Graff for it but never finished the beamline.

https://www.popsci.com/watch-super-powerful-electromagnets-shrink-quarters/

It still wouldn't do much by way of an EMP though.

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that has a
flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some cases, cell
phones also have flash capability, so there are multiple possible EMP
generators on board."

I assume that whoever wrote this has blown up every electronic device
in his own house. Or city.

An earthed biscuit tin offers reasonable low tech protection from EMP.
ISTR a lot of EMP protection methods are still closely guarded secrets
and/or classified.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:36:59 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 29/01/2020 22:11, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:52:42 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

The second quote below reminds me of the 70's when they warned us that
pocket calculators could throw off a plane's navigation.

I'm at a loss for words about the first quote.

"However, one device that scales up well for little money is the Tesla
coil. A potent coil can be built for about $2000 within the means of any
amateur or terrorist. The ground connects the whole electrical system,
and there is no remediation if you create impulses into the ground
system. When you open a circuit breaker with 3-phase power, it does not
disconnect the ground."

What can I say?

They seem to have confused "RF electrical interference" with true EMP
where electrons are very suddenly accelerated sideways in matter.

You could probably make a device to shrink coinage as a (dangerous)
amateur science experiment. Such designs have been in SciAms AmSci along
with a build your own atom smasher which could also be risky. My friend
built the Van der Graff for it but never finished the beamline.

https://www.popsci.com/watch-super-powerful-electromagnets-shrink-quarters/

It still wouldn't do much by way of an EMP though.

"There are already EMP generators onboard jets; any camera that has a
flash attachment, and most do, can create an EMP. In some cases, cell
phones also have flash capability, so there are multiple possible EMP
generators on board."

I assume that whoever wrote this has blown up every electronic device
in his own house. Or city.

An earthed biscuit tin offers reasonable low tech protection from EMP.
ISTR a lot of EMP protection methods are still closely guarded secrets
and/or classified.

If your car has the silly unlock when you get close feature, keep your
key fobs (and cell phone?) in a Danish Butter Cookie can, to avoid the
RF relay break-in trick.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Johnny B Good]

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:36:59 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

====snip====

An earthed biscuit tin offers reasonable low tech protection from EMP.
ISTR a lot of EMP protection methods are still closely guarded secrets
and/or classified.

One adjective too many in that first sentence, methinks.


--
Johnny B Good

 

[Les Cargill]

bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:

...but luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.....

That all depends on which manufacturer has the most airplanes flying in and out of China at the moment

My nomination for worst headline so far this year:

"China-U.S. Air Traffic Is In Free-Fall"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeboyd/2020/01/27/sudden-free-fall-chinaus-air-traffic/#358d514c208c

--
Les Cargill

 

[Les Cargill]

John Larkin wrote:

https://public.milcyber.org/activities/magazine/articles/2020/20200120-renda

This isn't press. It's somebody trying to create something scary they
can get funded to fight.

--
Les Cargill

 

> The only 'EMP generators onboard jets' are friggin' nukes.

Well unless it is an old MIG it better drop it. Was it what, 3 years ago they had MIGs that could fly without the computer ?

I have seen the effects of a near lightning strike. Got a cassette deck and an amp in. The protection relay in the amp would not kick in, I changed the coil driver, no good. Then I put in like a 2SD401, still no good. I shorted it and st=ill no good. But the ohmmeter said it was fine, well enough. It was the relay itself. The cassette deck had a relay to switch heads when playing in reverse, the symptom was that when switched to side two it would continue to play side one in reverse. Also the relay. Nothing else bad though I highly suspected it since I had little experience with that type of shit.

Another time in a TV, from the AC line to the main rectifiers there was a foil vaporized, like about eight inches of it. Just gone, and not really any burn marks. Now get this, jumping the missing foil got the thing running, it didn't even need a fuse. Talk about a real life demonstration of thermal mass, or something.

Anyway, all this little arc shit is bullshit, it might make a noise on the scope or an AM radio but is about fucking useless as any kind of weapon.

The cheapest way now, and you couldn't before, is to take a bunch of Tesla batteries and many thousands of farads of capacitance and then close a "switch" with like 3" diameter copper or better yet silver. It must be DIRECTLY connected to the battery/capacitor bank.

Doing it with an arc, well let's put it this way, the old ships had arc transmitters to call by Morse code like SOS n shit, they wold not even affect a 1970s microprocessor in a TV. (those I used to joke if you look t them and think of rain they die, they were THAT vulnerable and when they talked about the grounded handcuff shit they were right, but not no more)

There is little defense, mu metal maybe but all it does is equalize the field, if the flux attack time is fast enough it still makes every wire into a generator. This is also true of a Faraday cage.

I have wanted an EMPG since I first heard about them, in my REAL rebel days.. But it is another one of those "easier said than done" things.

The design for a real one will not be on the net. Just like the real Anarchist's Cookbook is not. Nor is Secret Weapons For Silent Wars. The latter is there but lacks the handwritten equations.

I still have yet to make a MASER out of a microwave oven. I think a long (12") tube on the output of the magnetron would do it. I'll let you know if I electrocute myself.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-02-01, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> wrote:

bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:
...but luckily, Boeing is much safer than Airbus.....

That all depends on which manufacturer has the most airplanes flying in and out of China at the moment


My nomination for worst headline so far this year:

"China-U.S. Air Traffic Is In Free-Fall"

Standard press headline amphibology, it's nothing new.
If it got your attention it worked.

--
Jasen.