SAA3018P - TV remote handset chip datasheet.

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Ian Field

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No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix, and
also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a datasheet
would turn up in an online repository somewhere.

Hand tracing is going to be difficult, the PCB has 3 layers of resist: first
layer - solder resist, second layer - carbonisation for buttons resist and
third layer for track bridging links.

The remote has been wet, the top layer of resist has blistered and peeled,
and taken the bridging links with it.

Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than nothing,
I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no manufacturers
logo on the chip, which is unusual!
 
"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> writes:

No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix,
and also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a
datasheet would turn up in an online repository somewhere.
Click to expand...

SAA is Philips. You might find a databook from the correct vintage at
an engineering library.


Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!
Click to expand...

I found a datasheet for a SAA3010 part that is a 28-pin DIP IR
Transmitter Controller. That might give you a place to start guessing.

http://www.eem.com/datasheet/nxp-semiconductors/saa3010ps285/1910520409

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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> writes:

No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix,
and also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a
datasheet would turn up in an online repository somewhere.


SAA is Philips. You might find a databook from the correct vintage at
an engineering library.


Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!

I found a datasheet for a SAA3010 part that is a 28-pin DIP IR
Transmitter Controller. That might give you a place to start guessing.

http://www.eem.com/datasheet/nxp-semiconductors/saa3010ps285/1910520409
Click to expand...

Thanks.

I tried typing saa3018 into the search box on that page, it corrected me
with "SAA3018P" but still no datasheet.

Some of the similar types I've found might give some guidance when I do the
best I can tracing out the damaged board.
 
On 08/15/2013 8:02 AM, Ian Field wrote:
No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix, and
also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a datasheet
would turn up in an online repository somewhere.

Hand tracing is going to be difficult, the PCB has 3 layers of resist:
first layer - solder resist, second layer - carbonisation for buttons
resist and third layer for track bridging links.

The remote has been wet, the top layer of resist has blistered and
peeled, and taken the bridging links with it.

Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!
Click to expand...

Have you got any sort of date for this chip or the board? Then check the
IC Masters for that era, perhaps something will turn up there.

I have a few of these and if I knew the period could do a quick search
for you. No Philips books in my bookcase though.

John :-#)#

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On 08/15/2013 8:02 AM, Ian Field wrote:
No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix, and
also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a datasheet
would turn up in an online repository somewhere.

Hand tracing is going to be difficult, the PCB has 3 layers of resist:
first layer - solder resist, second layer - carbonisation for buttons
resist and third layer for track bridging links.

The remote has been wet, the top layer of resist has blistered and
peeled, and taken the bridging links with it.

Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!

Have you got any sort of date for this chip or the board? Then check the
IC Masters for that era, perhaps something will turn up there.

I have a few of these and if I knew the period could do a quick search for
you. No Philips books in my bookcase though.
Click to expand...

Thanks.

When I looked for the makers logo, I noticed the year was 84, I think week
17.

IIRC; Siemens also used SAA prefixes.

ITT were an also ran in the TV remote chip market - I think that division
was bought out by a German company.

All of the potential makers I can think of, usually brand their chips with
their logo - this chip has no logo.

The remote looks like a Ferguson (TCE) probably predates the Thomson
buy-out.
 
Ian Field schrieb:
"Lawrence Statton" <lawrence@cluon.com> wrote in message
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> writes:

No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix,
and also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a
datasheet would turn up in an online repository somewhere.


SAA is Philips. You might find a databook from the correct vintage at
an engineering library.


Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!

I found a datasheet for a SAA3010 part that is a 28-pin DIP IR
Transmitter Controller. That might give you a place to start guessing.

http://www.eem.com/datasheet/nxp-semiconductors/saa3010ps285/1910520409


Thanks.

I tried typing saa3018 into the search box on that page, it corrected
me with "SAA3018P" but still no datasheet.

Some of the similar types I've found might give some guidance when I
do the best I can tracing out the damaged board.
Click to expand...

What about SAA3006?

<http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/146832/ETC1/SAA3006.html>

It's in a remote control made by Philips; search for EM2000 at
Elektrotanya.

HTH

Reinhard
 
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Ian Field schrieb:


"Lawrence Statton" <lawrence@cluon.com> wrote in message
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"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> writes:

No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix,
and also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a
datasheet would turn up in an online repository somewhere.


SAA is Philips. You might find a databook from the correct vintage at
an engineering library.


Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!

I found a datasheet for a SAA3010 part that is a 28-pin DIP IR
Transmitter Controller. That might give you a place to start guessing.

http://www.eem.com/datasheet/nxp-semiconductors/saa3010ps285/1910520409


Thanks.

I tried typing saa3018 into the search box on that page, it corrected
me with "SAA3018P" but still no datasheet.

Some of the similar types I've found might give some guidance when I
do the best I can tracing out the damaged board.

What about SAA3006?

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/146832/ETC1/SAA3006.html

It's in a remote control made by Philips; search for EM2000 at
Elektrotanya.
Click to expand...

Thanks - that site requires login.

The 3008 I found the datasheet for has the same number of pins, and what
little of the schematic I was able to trace (damaged tracks) matches the
pinout for that.

I just bought a URC from Poundland - that also can't find the code for a PVR
I rescued from the bin room.

Some of the chips in the SAA3xxx family can do over 2000 codes in upto 20
pages of 64 buttons - finding out how to wire the keypad and the page
address lines would add another tool to try when my collection of URCs don't
hit the right code.

Now I have *SOME* of the datasheets for chips in this family, it gives me an
idea of the capabilities and some insight to the address select lines - from
this point; schematics for any chips in this family would be helpful.
 
Ian Field schrieb:
"Reinhard Zwirner" <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote in message
Click to expand...

[...]
It's in a remote control made by Philips; search for EM2000 at
Elektrotanya.

Thanks - that site requires login.
Click to expand...

Did you receive my PM with the EM2000 pdf-file?

CU

Reinhard
 
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Ian Field schrieb:


"Reinhard Zwirner" <reinhard.zwirner@t-online.de> wrote in message


[...]
It's in a remote control made by Philips; search for EM2000 at
Elektrotanya.

Thanks - that site requires login.

Did you receive my PM with the EM2000 pdf-file?
Click to expand...

There's no inbox associated with my usenet address - its probably mixed in
with the million other abandoned messages somewhere on the VM server.

You could send it to: LD[zero five zero four]<dot>field<at>ntlworld<dot>com

Thanks.
 
On 08/15/2013 10:15 AM, Ian Field wrote:
"John Robertson" <spam@flippers.com> wrote in message
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On 08/15/2013 8:02 AM, Ian Field wrote:
No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix, and
also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a datasheet
would turn up in an online repository somewhere.

Hand tracing is going to be difficult, the PCB has 3 layers of resist:
first layer - solder resist, second layer - carbonisation for buttons
resist and third layer for track bridging links.

The remote has been wet, the top layer of resist has blistered and
peeled, and taken the bridging links with it.

Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!

Have you got any sort of date for this chip or the board? Then check
the IC Masters for that era, perhaps something will turn up there.

I have a few of these and if I knew the period could do a quick search
for you. No Philips books in my bookcase though.

Thanks.

When I looked for the makers logo, I noticed the year was 84, I think
week 17.

IIRC; Siemens also used SAA prefixes.

ITT were an also ran in the TV remote chip market - I think that
division was bought out by a German company.

All of the potential makers I can think of, usually brand their chips
with their logo - this chip has no logo.

The remote looks like a Ferguson (TCE) probably predates the Thomson
buy-out.
Click to expand...

My 1986 IC Master don't show either Phillips or Siemans...the only 3018s
shown are RCA CA3018.

I guess you need to find the European version of these manuals if
nothing else turns up.

John :-#(#
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(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
 
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On 08/15/2013 10:15 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"John Robertson" <spam@flippers.com> wrote in message
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On 08/15/2013 8:02 AM, Ian Field wrote:
No luck (so far) with Google, I tried with & without the 'P' suffix,
and
also tried a general search for "remote control" in the hope a
datasheet
would turn up in an online repository somewhere.

Hand tracing is going to be difficult, the PCB has 3 layers of resist:
first layer - solder resist, second layer - carbonisation for buttons
resist and third layer for track bridging links.

The remote has been wet, the top layer of resist has blistered and
peeled, and taken the bridging links with it.

Even if a datasheet can't be found. a pinout would be better than
nothing, I'd also like to know what IR protocol it uses. There's no
manufacturers logo on the chip, which is unusual!

Have you got any sort of date for this chip or the board? Then check
the IC Masters for that era, perhaps something will turn up there.

I have a few of these and if I knew the period could do a quick search
for you. No Philips books in my bookcase though.

Thanks.

When I looked for the makers logo, I noticed the year was 84, I think
week 17.

IIRC; Siemens also used SAA prefixes.

ITT were an also ran in the TV remote chip market - I think that
division was bought out by a German company.

All of the potential makers I can think of, usually brand their chips
with their logo - this chip has no logo.

The remote looks like a Ferguson (TCE) probably predates the Thomson
buy-out.

My 1986 IC Master don't show either Phillips or Siemans...the only 3018s
shown are RCA CA3018.
Click to expand...

Thanks - the CA prefix used by RCA and others are analogue.

The SAA prefix is of European origin - some of the Siemens SAA chips aren't
too far removed from micros, the remote control chip almost certainly
contains registers to shift a stream of serial bits out to the IRLED.

But the SAA3xxx family were definately marketed as off the shelf remote
control chips.
 
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