RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE

Michael A. Terrell · Feb 20, 2011

Jim Thompson wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant

I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the
early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the
hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper
foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards.

Sno-o-o-ort! That's so funny (and real) I'm laughing so hard I crying
;-)

It worked, and the customer was happy with his early Japanese all
Germanium stereo. I always wondered if I should have sent it out to
Earl Schibe for a new paint job? ;-)

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

John Fields · Feb 20, 2011

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

For when you run low on freebies

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=perfboard&origkw=perfboard&sr=1

...Jim Thompson

Been there already. It's phenolic :-(

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

---
In any application, Phenolic is brittle and can easily be broken,
especially when drilling mounting holes close to corners.

FR4, (G10) OTOH, is pretty much indestructible.

---
JF

Rich Grise · Feb 20, 2011

John Fields wrote:

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In any application, Phenolic is brittle and can easily be broken,
especially when drilling mounting holes close to corners.

Nah. You just have to be smarter than the phenolic. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Baron · Feb 20, 2011

Jim Thompson Inscribed thus:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:00:11 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE

Does such a thing exist?

I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-)

...Jim Thompson

---
I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else
suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in
jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4,
etc., then drill 4
mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS
box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel,
and put the thing together with machine screws?

---
JF

I think he found a solution with this little fellah

http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690

Yup. Already ordered.

Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-(

.28 inch by .47 inch ?

I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to
74HCxxx
and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies,
so that looks good....

http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf

And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on
800-number callers.

...Jim Thompson

Aaaargh!

John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-(

For when you run low on freebies

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=perfboard&origkw=perfboard&sr=1

...Jim Thompson

Been there already. It's phenolic :-(

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC
breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just
resistant

I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the
early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled
the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of
copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards.

Sno-o-o-ort! That's so funny (and real) I'm laughing so hard I crying
;-)

...Jim Thompson

You laugh all you want ! I've done similar where the scan coil
connector has burnt holes in the PCB because of bad solder joints.
Cut away the burnt area and used Araldite to fill the hole sandwiched
between strips of wax paper. Replace the connector and use copper wire
the re-establish the connections.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

> ...Jim Thompson

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:50:21 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

For when you run low on freebies

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=perfboard&origkw=perfboard&sr=1

...Jim Thompson

Been there already. It's phenolic :-(

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

---
In any application, Phenolic is brittle and can easily be broken,

I find score and snap to size a convenience 'feature'.

especially when drilling mounting holes close to corners.

Don't drill that close.

FR4, (G10) OTOH, is pretty much indestructible.

It's also more expensive, which is fine if cost is no object.

---
JF

Jim Thompson · Feb 21, 2011

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

...Jim Thompson

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

...Jim Thompson

My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)

LOL

Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.

...Jim Thompson

Jim Thompson · Feb 21, 2011

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

...Jim Thompson

My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)

LOL

Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.

...Jim Thompson

He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.

Not that it mattered. Though he was located in Huntington, WV, he
became the largest RCA dealer on the east coast for many years. He
even played golf with David Sarnoff on a regular basis. (Met him on
the Greenbrier golf course at White Sulphur Springs, WV, and they hit
it right off. My father was consistently a par player (*)... even
into his 80's

whit3rd · Feb 21, 2011

On Feb 19, 6:00 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Been there already. It's phenolic :-(

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant

I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the
early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the
hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps...

Fiberglass (FRP) burn holes are trickier. I once glass-bead-blasted
a dead 'un to get rid of the char, then applied Q-dope to the
mat of glass fibers. It nearly looked good when it was all done,
and my trusty old Buick got a Mark X electronic ignition for nearly
free. I recall that as the last time I used Germanium transistors
from my junk box.

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

...Jim Thompson

My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)

LOL

Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.

...Jim Thompson

He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.

Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.

"There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
step above junk.

Not that it mattered. Though he was located in Huntington, WV, he
became the largest RCA dealer on the east coast for many years. He
even played golf with David Sarnoff on a regular basis. (Met him on
the Greenbrier golf course at White Sulphur Springs, WV, and they hit
it right off. My father was consistently a par player (*)... even
into his 80's

(*) With five holes-in-one to his credit... Spring Valley and
Guyandotte Country Clubs. Died in 2008 at age 90.

...Jim Thompson

Michael A. Terrell · Feb 21, 2011

flipper wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

...Jim Thompson

My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)

LOL

Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.

...Jim Thompson

He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.

Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.

"There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
step above junk.

Above?

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Michael A. Terrell · Feb 21, 2011

whit3rd wrote:

On Feb 19, 6:00 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

Been there already. It's phenolic :-(

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant

I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the
early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the
hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps...

Fiberglass (FRP) burn holes are trickier. I once glass-bead-blasted
a dead 'un to get rid of the char, then applied Q-dope to the
mat of glass fibers. It nearly looked good when it was all done,
and my trusty old Buick got a Mark X electronic ignition for nearly
free. I recall that as the last time I used Germanium transistors
from my junk box.

What's real fun is cutting away a burnt spot on a wafer on a rotary
switch, and patching it without changing the alignment of the contacts.

I did that to an old RCA VTVM back in the mid '70s.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:43:31 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

snip

Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?

In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.

...Jim Thompson

In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
;-)

Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV

...Jim Thompson

My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)

LOL

Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.

...Jim Thompson

He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.

Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.

"There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
step above junk.

Above?

Sure. Out of the box they usually worked for 'some' period of time.
That's a bit better than junk.

Michael A. Terrell · Feb 21, 2011

flipper wrote:

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--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:11:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:

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see them in our area till they WERE junk.

Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz
TVs started off closer to the heap.

Michael A. Terrell · Feb 21, 2011

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?see them in our area till they WERE junk.

Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz
TVs started off closer to the heap.

I only saw one of them, but that was enough. It looked like it was
built from pre W.W. II surplus.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:38:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:11:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? wrote:

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?? ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? wrote:
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?? ?? ?To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote:
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?? ?? ?On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper ?flipper@fish.net? wrote:
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?? ?? ??On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
?? ?? ???To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote:
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?? ?? ???On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper ?flipper@fish.net? wrote:
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?? ?? ????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?????To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote:
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?? ?? ?????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper ?flipper@fish.net? wrote:
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?? ?? ??????Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?
?? ?? ??????
?? ?? ???????
?? ?? ???????In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
?? ?? ???????scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.
?? ?? ???????
?? ?? ??????? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?????
?? ?? ?????In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
?? ?? ?????;-)
?? ?? ????
?? ?? ????Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV
?? ?? ????
?? ?? ????
?? ?? ????? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ???
?? ?? ???My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ??LOL
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ??Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ???
?? ?? ??? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?
?? ?? ?He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
?? ?? ?my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
?? ?? ?degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.
?? ??
?? ?? Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
?? ?? barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.
?? ??
?? ?? "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
?? ?? step above junk.
?? ?
?? ?
?? ? Above?
??
?? Sure. Out of the box they usually worked for 'some' period of time.
?? That's a bit better than junk.
?
?
? I never saw on 'just out of the box'. Like Packard Bell, we didn't
?see them in our area till they WERE junk.

Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz
TVs started off closer to the heap.

I only saw one of them, but that was enough. It looked like it was
built from pre W.W. II surplus.

Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

Michael A. Terrell · Feb 21, 2011

flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:38:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? wrote:

?
?flipper wrote:
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?? On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:11:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
?? ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? wrote:
??
?? ?
?? ?flipper wrote:
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?? ?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:43:31 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
?? ?? ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? wrote:
?? ??
?? ?? ?
?? ?? ?flipper wrote:
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?? ?To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote:
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? ?On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper ?flipper@fish.net? wrote:
?? ?? ?? ?
?? ?? ?? ??On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?? ???To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote:
?? ?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? ???On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper ?flipper@fish.net? wrote:
?? ?? ?? ???
?? ?? ?? ????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?? ?????To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote:
?? ?? ?? ????
?? ?? ?? ?????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper ?flipper@fish.net? wrote:
?? ?? ?? ?????
?? ?? ?? ?????snip?
?? ?? ?? ????
?? ?? ?? ??????
?? ?? ?? ??????Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?
?? ?? ?? ??????
?? ?? ?? ???????
?? ?? ?? ???????In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
?? ?? ?? ???????scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.
?? ?? ?? ???????
?? ?? ?? ??????? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?? ?????
?? ?? ?? ?????In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
?? ?? ?? ?????;-)
?? ?? ?? ????
?? ?? ?? ????Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV
?? ?? ?? ????
?? ?? ?? ????
?? ?? ?? ????? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?? ???
?? ?? ?? ???My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)
?? ?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? ??LOL
?? ?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? ??Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.
?? ?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? ???
?? ?? ?? ??? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?? ?
?? ?? ?? ?He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
?? ?? ?? ?my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
?? ?? ?? ?degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
?? ?? ?? barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ?? "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
?? ?? ?? step above junk.
?? ?? ?
?? ?? ?
?? ?? ? Above?
?? ??
?? ?? Sure. Out of the box they usually worked for 'some' period of time.
?? ?? That's a bit better than junk.
?? ?
?? ?
?? ? I never saw on 'just out of the box'. Like Packard Bell, we didn't
?? ?see them in our area till they WERE junk.
??
?? Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz
?? TVs started off closer to the heap.
?
?
? I only saw one of them, but that was enough. It looked like it was
?built from pre W.W. II surplus.

Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

Let's just say I received better quality surplus components by the
pound from PolyPaks, Meshna and other places in the early '70s.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

flipper · Feb 21, 2011

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:52:55 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:

snip

Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

Let's just say I received better quality surplus components by the
pound from PolyPaks, Meshna and other places in the early '70s.

Well, shoot, by the early/mid 70's you'd have been looking at 15 year
old sets, at least, since 1959 was the last year of production.

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