rf morse code

[Andrey Fedorov]

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately. I'd
like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that sends an
rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the basic
input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out how I can
transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another said
that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it may be
possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better: informational
sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey

 

[Sir Charles W. Shults III]

You want to make a radio transmitter and a radio receiver. Your PIC will
create the Morse code patterns and use them to key an oscillator, and this
signal will get mixed with a carrier wave for AM, or you will use it to modulate
the frequency of an RF oscillator for FM.
The receive it, you need to use a small radio receiver and a phase locked
loop to turn the audio tones back into on-off signals. As the PLL show lock or
not, you will see ones and zeroes corresponding to the original code.
Look up radio circuits. Google is sure to have many, but a library is a far
better resource.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

 

[Andrey Fedorov]

I was thinking maybe something simpler, like: i push button here, LED
across the room lights up... or is that what you are descibing?

Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:

You want to make a radio transmitter and a radio receiver. Your PIC will
create the Morse code patterns and use them to key an oscillator, and this
signal will get mixed with a carrier wave for AM, or you will use it to modulate
the frequency of an RF oscillator for FM.
The receive it, you need to use a small radio receiver and a phase locked
loop to turn the audio tones back into on-off signals. As the PLL show lock or
not, you will see ones and zeroes corresponding to the original code.
Look up radio circuits. Google is sure to have many, but a library is a far
better resource.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

 

[Bengt]

In article <SCG%a.93039$_R5.35087558@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
fedorov@optonline.net says...

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately. I'd
like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that sends an
rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the basic
input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out how I can
transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another said
that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it may be
possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better: informational
sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey


Maybe you should have a look at som simple ham projects? QRP

transmitters and DC recievers.

Here is one link:
http://www.qrp.pops.net/

Another way is to read books such as ARRLs "Amateur handbook", there you
find all you need to know about how to design and build radio equipment
like that.


Bengt

 

[Andrey Fedorov]

thanks

I've been getting bits and pieces to make sense for me...
very basically: any electrical flow creates a magnetic field, crystals,
because they vibrate, create a specific RF resonance. This resonance can
be picked up by other crystals and translated into a slight voltage.
What I'm going to try to do is set up two crystals: one to resonate and
another to recieve the resonance which the PIC will pick up...

where am i off?

Bengt

In article <SCG%a.93039$_R5.35087558@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
fedorov@optonline.net says...

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately. I'd
like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that sends an
rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the basic
input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out how I can
transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another said
that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it may be
possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better: informational
sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey



Maybe you should have a look at som simple ham projects? QRP
transmitters and DC recievers.

Here is one link:
http://www.qrp.pops.net/

Another way is to read books such as ARRLs "Amateur handbook", there you
find all you need to know about how to design and build radio equipment
like that.


Bengt

 

[Andrey Fedorov]

Andrey Fedorov wrote:

ok, i'm probably oversimplifying... and it's 5am, i'm going to bed.

thanks for all the advice!!!

i'll check back tomorrow if anyone has any more suggestions

thanks

I've been getting bits and pieces to make sense for me...
very basically: any electrical flow creates a magnetic field, crystals,
because they vibrate, create a specific RF resonance. This resonance can
be picked up by other crystals and translated into a slight voltage.
What I'm going to try to do is set up two crystals: one to resonate and
another to recieve the resonance which the PIC will pick up...

where am i off?

Bengt

In article <SCG%a.93039$_R5.35087558@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
fedorov@optonline.net says...

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately.
I'd like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that
sends an rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the
basic input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out
how I can transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another
said that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it
may be possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better:
informational sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey



Maybe you should have a look at som simple ham projects? QRP
transmitters and DC recievers.

Here is one link:
http://www.qrp.pops.net/

Another way is to read books such as ARRLs "Amateur handbook", there you
find all you need to know about how to design and build radio equipment
like that.


Bengt

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Sir Charles W. Shults III wrote:

You want to make a radio transmitter and a radio receiver. Your
PIC will create the Morse code patterns and use them to key an
oscillator, and this signal will get mixed with a carrier wave for
AM, or you will use it to modulate the frequency of an RF oscillator
for FM. The receive it, you need to use a small radio receiver
and a phase locked loop to turn the audio tones back into on-off
signals.

Err..lets distinguish between *what* is required and methods to achieve
what is required. You don't *need* a PLL. A PLL is simply *one* method
of achieving a particular function. All one needs here is a radio
receiver. Feeding the receivers audio into a comparator via a diode dc
restorer is probable all that is required.



Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Rich Webb]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 09:20:30 GMT, Andrey Fedorov <fedorov@optonline.net>
wrote:

Andrey Fedorov wrote:

ok, i'm probably oversimplifying... and it's 5am, i'm going to bed.

thanks for all the advice!!!

i'll check back tomorrow if anyone has any more suggestions

Morse isn't the easiest protocol to implement, although there are
certainly examples of source code to encode/decode using Morse.

Take a look at
http://focus.ti.com/docs/tool/toolfolder.jhtml?PartNumber=MSP-TRF6901-DEMO
which is a pair of demo boards that might be interesting.

Pick up a copy of Circuit Cellar or Nuts & Volts and browse through the
adverts. There are quite a few RF modules available.

Otherwise, google for some reference designs.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Robert Monsen]

There are lots of ways to transmit information. You could use infrared (like
TV remote controls), or ultrasonic sound waves. If you are determined to use
RF, you could buy boards to do it... look at

http://home.att.net/~wzmicro/ming_rf_xmitter_receiver.htm

for $30 US you can quickly get a system up and running. You'll have to
figure out how to interface the PIC to the board, but that sounds like fun,
eh? Note that transmission is one way, so you'll need two more cards to go
both ways with this solution.

Ultrasonics is also pretty good. You can get transducers at electronic
goldmine

http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodlist.asp?catid=2060

There are circuits on the web for driving them. You can use the same
transducers to send and receive with the proper circuit, but only half
duplex. An LM567 chip will detect an oscillation at a programmed frequency,
and give you a '1' signal when it sees it. You can generate the signal on
the other side using the PIC to drive the transducer at the right frequency
(actually, you'll need a driver chip, I don't think the PIC can generate
much power from its ports.) You will also need to amplify the transducer
input.

There are also other cool things you can do with ultrasonic transducers; you
can use them to detect the distance and direction to an object by sending a
pulse, then using two of them and the speed of sound and a few simple
calcuations... You can use them to detect motion by determining the change
in intensity of reflections. You can also use them to scare away insects...


Regards, and good luck!
Bob Monsen

"Andrey Fedorov" <fedorov@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:SCG%a.93039$_R5.35087558@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately. I'd
like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that sends an
rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the basic
input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out how I can
transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another said
that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it may be
possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better: informational
sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey

 

[Andrey Fedorov]

thanks a ton.

http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/computer/computer_controlled_transmitter.html

i found this link really useful also

just a quick glance of what i'm shooting for:
I started a robotics club at school this year and would like to make our
first project a remote locker opener. ultimately, I'd like to have a
solenoid coil insite the locker controlled by a pic which waits for a
certain binary signal to open the lock.

any suggestions?

Robert Monsen wrote:

There are lots of ways to transmit information. You could use infrared (like
TV remote controls), or ultrasonic sound waves. If you are determined to use
RF, you could buy boards to do it... look at

http://home.att.net/~wzmicro/ming_rf_xmitter_receiver.htm

for $30 US you can quickly get a system up and running. You'll have to
figure out how to interface the PIC to the board, but that sounds like fun,
eh? Note that transmission is one way, so you'll need two more cards to go
both ways with this solution.

Ultrasonics is also pretty good. You can get transducers at electronic
goldmine

http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodlist.asp?catid=2060

There are circuits on the web for driving them. You can use the same
transducers to send and receive with the proper circuit, but only half
duplex. An LM567 chip will detect an oscillation at a programmed frequency,
and give you a '1' signal when it sees it. You can generate the signal on
the other side using the PIC to drive the transducer at the right frequency
(actually, you'll need a driver chip, I don't think the PIC can generate
much power from its ports.) You will also need to amplify the transducer
input.

There are also other cool things you can do with ultrasonic transducers; you
can use them to detect the distance and direction to an object by sending a
pulse, then using two of them and the speed of sound and a few simple
calcuations... You can use them to detect motion by determining the change
in intensity of reflections. You can also use them to scare away insects...


Regards, and good luck!
Bob Monsen

"Andrey Fedorov" <fedorov@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:SCG%a.93039$_R5.35087558@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately. I'd
like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that sends an
rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the basic
input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out how I can
transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another said
that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it may be
possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better: informational
sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey

 

[Robert Monsen]

I think you could do this with ultrasonics, if there is an air vent in the
locker. Amplify the output of the transducer, and feed the result into the
LM567 chip. That will output a high signal if its receiving a signal
(assuming its configured correctly. Look at the data sheet.) If you take
that high signal, and use it to run a power mosfet or relay, you can get
lots of current, which you can use to move the solenoid. Note that solenoids
may take a fair amount of current to run, so you'll need a fairly big
battery.

Take a look at this circuit:

http://www.electronic-projects.net/Schematics/Motion%20Detector/UltrasonicMotionDetector.pdf

It has a transmitter circuit you could easily use, and amplifiers for the
receiver. Modifying it to do what you want should be pretty easy. Instead of
using a crystal, as specified, you could use the PIC to drive the
transmitter.

With regards, to using radio for this, I bought a little toy car from radio
shack for $10 (on sale) that contained a transmitter/receiver pair that
would be perfect for your application (assuming, again, that the locker
doesn't block the radio transmitter too much.) A button press on the
transmitter transmits at about 40MHz, which is received by the little
receiver card (which runs from a 6 volt battery array.) The output is a high
signal on the card, which could be fed into a power driver for the solenoid
like that described above. I don't know how much of the signal would be
blocked by the locker. Maybe I'll try it out with my daughter's locker (she
is starting HS in a few days.) Make it beep, and see if it gets through. I
could try it with the fridge, I guess

Another issue you might have is interference. I've noticed that with the car
receiver, it occasionally triggers without a button press; probably ambient
radio waves. However, if your locker occasionally unlocks on its own, that
would be bad... I don't think it'll be as much of a problem with the
ultrasonic scheme, since there aren't many sources of it that are 'pure'
enough to trigger the 567.

Sounds like a fun project, and not too hard to pull off. You should find a
mentor someplace near you to help with obtaining the parts, etc. Maybe a
teacher at your school?

Regards,
Bob Monsen

"Andrey Fedorov" <fedorov@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:vBB0b.126752$_R5.47830112@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...

thanks a ton.


http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/computer/computer_controlled_transmitter.html

i found this link really useful also

just a quick glance of what i'm shooting for:
I started a robotics club at school this year and would like to make our
first project a remote locker opener. ultimately, I'd like to have a
solenoid coil insite the locker controlled by a pic which waits for a
certain binary signal to open the lock.

any suggestions?

Robert Monsen wrote:
There are lots of ways to transmit information. You could use infrared
(like
TV remote controls), or ultrasonic sound waves. If you are determined to
use
RF, you could buy boards to do it... look at

http://home.att.net/~wzmicro/ming_rf_xmitter_receiver.htm

for $30 US you can quickly get a system up and running. You'll have to
figure out how to interface the PIC to the board, but that sounds like
fun,
eh? Note that transmission is one way, so you'll need two more cards to
go
both ways with this solution.

Ultrasonics is also pretty good. You can get transducers at electronic
goldmine

http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodlist.asp?catid=2060

There are circuits on the web for driving them. You can use the same
transducers to send and receive with the proper circuit, but only half
duplex. An LM567 chip will detect an oscillation at a programmed
frequency,
and give you a '1' signal when it sees it. You can generate the signal
on
the other side using the PIC to drive the transducer at the right
frequency
(actually, you'll need a driver chip, I don't think the PIC can generate
much power from its ports.) You will also need to amplify the transducer
input.

There are also other cool things you can do with ultrasonic transducers;
you
can use them to detect the distance and direction to an object by
sending a
pulse, then using two of them and the speed of sound and a few simple
calcuations... You can use them to detect motion by determining the
change
in intensity of reflections. You can also use them to scare away
insects...


Regards, and good luck!
Bob Monsen

"Andrey Fedorov" <fedorov@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:SCG%a.93039$_R5.35087558@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...

I'm a high school senior and I've gotten into basic robotics lately. I'd
like to build two circuits with PIC microcontrollers: one that sends an
rf signal, and one that recieves it. I have learned the basic
input/output of the PIC, but I'm having trouble figuring out how I can
transmit information from one circuit to another (via rf).

I'd like to make two circuits that can communicate (make a LED flash)
via rf... A friend told me that I can use Quartz Crystals. Another said
that's very unlikely, a third said that he's not sure, but it may be
possible... does anyone have any suggestions, or better: informational
sources (web sites, tutorials?).

Thanks,
Andrey