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What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.
 
tirsdag den 21. december 2021 kl. 04.16.48 UTC+1 skrev Cydrome Leader:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.

need a welder? https://youtu.be/2bC0Vmy3niA
 
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
 
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
<jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John

Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
 
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:16:25 UTC, legg wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
That is what I was mainly thinking of. The core looked as if it might
have been intended for some other purpose. I suppose the rust and
grime on the laminations are good for reducing eddy currents. It did
seem surprising that the guillotine operator appeared to have all his
fingers. The diode heatsink casting might well have been recycled
aluminium floor sweepings

John
 
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 5:24:50 PM UTC, John Walliker wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:16:25 UTC, legg wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
That is what I was mainly thinking of. The core looked as if it might
have been intended for some other purpose. I suppose the rust and
grime on the laminations are good for reducing eddy currents. It did
seem surprising that the guillotine operator appeared to have all his
fingers. The diode heatsink casting might well have been recycled
aluminium floor sweepings

John

I\'m most struck by their work practices. Working on cracked concrete
floor, no tables or chairs. I realize some cultural ethic may be a
factor, but ergonomics & safety are \"universal\". Also, strange that
they have some hand tools, like pliers, but no wire cutters (scissors
is a painful way to cut wire!) or rubber mallet. And they have some
power tools like the drill press and circular saw, but no electric or
pneumatic screw/nut drivers, riveters, etc. And a sheet metal shear.
I wonder if electricity there is a premium? Karachi is the capital city,
but I would think, make electricity as available as possible for
business-sector development. They might do well to host a
manufacturing engineering consultant for a few days.
 
Rich S <richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 5:24:50 PM UTC, John Walliker wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:16:25 UTC, legg wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
That is what I was mainly thinking of. The core looked as if it might
have been intended for some other purpose. I suppose the rust and
grime on the laminations are good for reducing eddy currents. It did
seem surprising that the guillotine operator appeared to have all his
fingers. The diode heatsink casting might well have been recycled
aluminium floor sweepings

John

I\'m most struck by their work practices. Working on cracked concrete
floor, no tables or chairs. I realize some cultural ethic may be a
factor, but ergonomics & safety are \"universal\". Also, strange that
they have some hand tools, like pliers, but no wire cutters (scissors
is a painful way to cut wire!) or rubber mallet. And they have some
power tools like the drill press and circular saw, but no electric or
pneumatic screw/nut drivers, riveters, etc. And a sheet metal shear.
I wonder if electricity there is a premium? Karachi is the capital city,
but I would think, make electricity as available as possible for
business-sector development. They might do well to host a
manufacturing engineering consultant for a few days.

The third-world manufacturing videos are fascinating. It looks like people
spending half their time throwing parts on the ground, and the rest of the
time picking then back up again. It makes very little sense, but might
explain why those places are such dumps to start with.
 
On Thursday, 23 December 2021 at 18:23:19 UTC, Rich S wrote:
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 5:24:50 PM UTC, John Walliker wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:16:25 UTC, legg wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
That is what I was mainly thinking of. The core looked as if it might
have been intended for some other purpose. I suppose the rust and
grime on the laminations are good for reducing eddy currents. It did
seem surprising that the guillotine operator appeared to have all his
fingers. The diode heatsink casting might well have been recycled
aluminium floor sweepings

John
I\'m most struck by their work practices. Working on cracked concrete
floor, no tables or chairs. I realize some cultural ethic may be a
factor, but ergonomics & safety are \"universal\". Also, strange that
they have some hand tools, like pliers, but no wire cutters (scissors
is a painful way to cut wire!) or rubber mallet. And they have some
power tools like the drill press and circular saw, but no electric or
pneumatic screw/nut drivers, riveters, etc. And a sheet metal shear.
I wonder if electricity there is a premium? Karachi is the capital city,
but I would think, make electricity as available as possible for
business-sector development. They might do well to host a
manufacturing engineering consultant for a few days.

I\'m sure they could teach a consultant more than the consultant could teach them. I would want to use a pushsstick though on that guillotine.

The wire isn\'t copper colour. I can\'t imagine them paying unnecessarily for plating. It\'s not iron wire is it? :)
 
In article <738a69b8-f526-42cc-b396-490c37a33918n@googlegroups.com>,
tabbypurr@gmail.com says...
I\'m sure they could teach a consultant more than the consultant could teach them. I would want to use a pushsstick though on that guillotine.

The wire isn\'t copper colour. I can\'t imagine them paying unnecessarily for plating. It\'s not iron wire is it? :)

I did not watch the whole thing,but if they did not solder but crimped
or screwed the connections it may have been Aluminum wire.


Lots of wire comming from China seems to be aluminum with a plating of
copper. Real crappy way for them to do things to cut the cost.

Fine for high frequencies like radio and tv, but not for DC or low
frequency AC as house wiring or drop cords. YOU have to go up a couple
of wire sizes to carry the same current.
 
Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 23 December 2021 at 18:23:19 UTC, Rich S wrote:
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 5:24:50 PM UTC, John Walliker wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:16:25 UTC, legg wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
That is what I was mainly thinking of. The core looked as if it might
have been intended for some other purpose. I suppose the rust and
grime on the laminations are good for reducing eddy currents. It did
seem surprising that the guillotine operator appeared to have all his
fingers. The diode heatsink casting might well have been recycled
aluminium floor sweepings

John
I\'m most struck by their work practices. Working on cracked concrete
floor, no tables or chairs. I realize some cultural ethic may be a
factor, but ergonomics & safety are \"universal\". Also, strange that
they have some hand tools, like pliers, but no wire cutters (scissors
is a painful way to cut wire!) or rubber mallet. And they have some
power tools like the drill press and circular saw, but no electric or
pneumatic screw/nut drivers, riveters, etc. And a sheet metal shear.
I wonder if electricity there is a premium? Karachi is the capital city,
but I would think, make electricity as available as possible for
business-sector development. They might do well to host a
manufacturing engineering consultant for a few days.

I\'m sure they could teach a consultant more than the consultant could teach them. I would want to use a pushsstick though on that guillotine.

The wire isn\'t copper colour. I can\'t imagine them paying unnecessarily for plating. It\'s not iron wire is it? :)

It looked like cloth covered wire for the transformer. I can\'t imagine
that\'s cheaper than varnish, but maybe there\'s another shop where they
twist it on by hand.
 
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:36:33 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 23 December 2021 at 18:23:19 UTC, Rich S wrote:
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 5:24:50 PM UTC, John Walliker wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:16:25 UTC, legg wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:50:33 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 04:05:42 UTC, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 21-Dec-21 2:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.


No Earth.

Joining wires by twisting alone is asking for a fire.

Sylvia.

They did solder the connection to the rectifier diode. I thought it
was quite impressive. A lot of thought had gone into the design
and it certainly made good use of recycled materials.

John
Besides the craft paper substitution, what made you think that
the materials were recycled? Repurposed, maybe.

RL
That is what I was mainly thinking of. The core looked as if it might
have been intended for some other purpose. I suppose the rust and
grime on the laminations are good for reducing eddy currents. It did
seem surprising that the guillotine operator appeared to have all his
fingers. The diode heatsink casting might well have been recycled
aluminium floor sweepings

John
I\'m most struck by their work practices. Working on cracked concrete
floor, no tables or chairs. I realize some cultural ethic may be a
factor, but ergonomics & safety are \"universal\". Also, strange that
they have some hand tools, like pliers, but no wire cutters (scissors
is a painful way to cut wire!) or rubber mallet. And they have some
power tools like the drill press and circular saw, but no electric or
pneumatic screw/nut drivers, riveters, etc. And a sheet metal shear.
I wonder if electricity there is a premium? Karachi is the capital city,
but I would think, make electricity as available as possible for
business-sector development. They might do well to host a
manufacturing engineering consultant for a few days.

I\'m sure they could teach a consultant more than the consultant could teach them. I would want to use a pushsstick though on that guillotine.

The wire isn\'t copper colour. I can\'t imagine them paying unnecessarily for plating. It\'s not iron wire is it? :)

It looked like cloth covered wire for the transformer. I can\'t imagine
that\'s cheaper than varnish, but maybe there\'s another shop where they
twist it on by hand.

Cloth-covered wire is very robust when the whole assembly is
varnished, and can withstand a fair voltage. Probably cheaper than
regular enameled magnet wire, as that is actually quite difficult to
manufacture.

Joe Gwinn
 
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 03:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

What do you folks think about this gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA
I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.

Such transformers are commonly being used to steal power in India. a
wild guess is that 20% of the power in India is stolen:
<https://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201644>

Here\'s a different power amateur power transformer as installed:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/India-power.jpg>

More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=india+power&tbm=isch>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:36:33 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

It looked like cloth covered wire for the transformer. I can\'t imagine
that\'s cheaper than varnish, but maybe there\'s another shop where they
twist it on by hand.

In India:
Cotton cloth costs Rs 65 ($0.85) per meter.
<https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/plain-cotton-fabric.html>
Varnish costs about Rs 145 ($1.92) per kg.
<https://dir.indiamart.com/search.mp?ss=varnish>

I don\'t know the relative wire coverage area for cloth vs varnish, but
they seem about equal. However, applying cloth insulation is a one
step process, while varnish requires thinning, dipping, drying,
careful winding, testing for shorts, etc. Cloth seems easier.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 21/12/2021 1:16 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.
It is the result of poverty.
 
On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 03:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.

Looks inefficient. Fiberglass wire so it can run hot? Half-wave
rectifier.

These are people who find it worthwhile to rebuild truck batteries:
https://youtu.be/afwO_MZjRjA

Hopefully they can achieve a minimal level of prosperity at some point
in the not-too-distant future. OBOR should help a lot.

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:16:48 PM UTC-5, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What do you folks think about this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpaWCedoptA

I like the special high reluctance transformer and kindling used as
insulation.

Typical of the third world shit countries that have no respect for their people. So those tools will work the better part of a day to to produce some garbage that\'s not even close to 15 minutes of western productivity. Those cesspools have resources, they don\'t have to work like that.
 
On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 02:59:09 UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:36:33 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

It looked like cloth covered wire for the transformer. I can\'t imagine
that\'s cheaper than varnish, but maybe there\'s another shop where they
twist it on by hand.
In India:
Cotton cloth costs Rs 65 ($0.85) per meter.
https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/plain-cotton-fabric.html

1m means something like 1x2m, though the width varies

Varnish costs about Rs 145 ($1.92) per kg.
https://dir.indiamart.com/search.mp?ss=varnish

I don\'t know the relative wire coverage area for cloth vs varnish, but
they seem about equal.

If we guess wildly at 10mm circumference for the cloth insulation:
1x2m = 2sqm
10mm x 1m =
So number of meters it covers = 2m/10mm = 200m

However, applying cloth insulation is a one
step process,

yes, one painfully slow process

> while varnish requires thinning, dipping, drying,

I assumed it would set/dry almost instantly, probably applied hot. I can\'t see much upside in using a formula that doesn\'t.

> careful winding, testing for shorts, etc.

I doubt they\'d bother

> Cloth seems easier.

If I were in the 3rd world looking to go ultracheap I\'d possibly pick hot bitumenised paper.

Those transformers look big but either
a) they\'re way ott for charging truck batteries
b) or they\'re for something else, probably stealing power
 
Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 02:59:09 UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:36:33 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

It looked like cloth covered wire for the transformer. I can\'t imagine
that\'s cheaper than varnish, but maybe there\'s another shop where they
twist it on by hand.
In India:
Cotton cloth costs Rs 65 ($0.85) per meter.
https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/plain-cotton-fabric.html

1m means something like 1x2m, though the width varies

Varnish costs about Rs 145 ($1.92) per kg.
https://dir.indiamart.com/search.mp?ss=varnish

I don\'t know the relative wire coverage area for cloth vs varnish, but
they seem about equal.

If we guess wildly at 10mm circumference for the cloth insulation:
1x2m = 2sqm
10mm x 1m =
So number of meters it covers = 2m/10mm = 200m

However, applying cloth insulation is a one
step process,

yes, one painfully slow process

In the real world (so not the slums of pakistan) cloth insulation is woven
on with a machine and not cut up from bedsheets or whatever else you folks
are looking at.

while varnish requires thinning, dipping, drying,

I assumed it would set/dry almost instantly, probably applied hot. I can\'t see much upside in using a formula that doesn\'t.

careful winding, testing for shorts, etc.

I doubt they\'d bother

Cloth seems easier.

If I were in the 3rd world looking to go ultracheap I\'d possibly pick
hot bitumenised paper.

Those transformers look big but either
a) they\'re way ott for charging truck batteries
b) or they\'re for something else, probably stealing power

they look about right to charge a truck battery, considering they\'re
probably about 50% efficient.
 
On 2021-12-30, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 02:59:09 UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:36:33 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

It looked like cloth covered wire for the transformer. I can\'t imagine
that\'s cheaper than varnish, but maybe there\'s another shop where they
twist it on by hand.
In India:
Cotton cloth costs Rs 65 ($0.85) per meter.
https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/plain-cotton-fabric.html

1m means something like 1x2m, though the width varies

Varnish costs about Rs 145 ($1.92) per kg.
https://dir.indiamart.com/search.mp?ss=varnish

I don\'t know the relative wire coverage area for cloth vs varnish, but
they seem about equal.

If we guess wildly at 10mm circumference for the cloth insulation:
1x2m = 2sqm
10mm x 1m =
So number of meters it covers = 2m/10mm = 200m

However, applying cloth insulation is a one
step process,

yes, one painfully slow process

In the real world (so not the slums of pakistan) cloth insulation is woven
on with a machine and not cut up from bedsheets or whatever else you folks
are looking at.

while varnish requires thinning, dipping, drying,

I assumed it would set/dry almost instantly, probably applied hot. I can\'t see much upside in using a formula that doesn\'t.

careful winding, testing for shorts, etc.

I doubt they\'d bother

Cloth seems easier.

If I were in the 3rd world looking to go ultracheap I\'d possibly pick
hot bitumenised paper.

Those transformers look big but either
a) they\'re way ott for charging truck batteries
b) or they\'re for something else, probably stealing power

they look about right to charge a truck battery, considering they\'re
probably about 50% efficient.

yeah, the core is made from scrap, not from a transformer alloy
so it will need to run lower flux levels to avoid saturation.

I\'m sure they are better than 50% energy efficient, but
they are\'nt space or mass efficient. If their customers are
all nearby the extra shipping costs are not a big problem.

--
Jasen.
 
On 2021-12-30, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 02:59:09 UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 20:36:33 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:


In the real world (so not the slums of pakistan) cloth insulation is woven
on with a machine and not cut up from bedsheets or whatever else you folks
are looking at.

thw wire was coming off a spool and appaeared to have machine woven
cotton insulation,

Those transformers look big but either
a) they\'re way ott for charging truck batteries
b) or they\'re for something else, probably stealing power

they look about right to charge a truck battery, considering they\'re
probably about 50% efficient.

yeah, the core is made from scrap, not from a transformer alloy
so it will need to run lower flux levels to avoid saturation.

I\'m sure they are better than 50% energy efficient, a microwave oven
transformer is better than 70% efficient but still needs forced air
cooling - these are larger and have no mechanical cooling.

However they aren\'t space or mass efficient. If their customers are
all nearby the extra shipping costs caused by this bulkiness are not
a big problem.

--
Jasen.
 

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