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All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
But it is hard to predict wars and idiotic public policies, the real
threats to food production.
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
didn\'t rise too. That\'s market effect, not a sign of progress. Soil improvement
would be progress; that\'s not happening.
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general
happiness and, indeed, to population control.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:31:22?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general
happiness and, indeed, to population control.
The \'poorest people\' have local crops, and don\'t need cash.
On 7/5/2023 11:54 AM, whit3rd wrote:
Population has risen since \'decades ago\' and we\'d be starving now if crop production
Yet there are still LOTS of folks who *are* starving. So, clearly any
gains are illusory.
didn\'t rise too. That\'s market effect, not a sign of progress. Soil improvement
would be progress; that\'s not happening.
Sadly, externalities aren\'t factored into the price of foodstuffs.
We\'re running alarmingly short of water (desert southwest) yet
still growing alfalfa and other water-intensive crops. Largely
for export.
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 12:43:06 -0700, Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 7/5/2023 11:54 AM, whit3rd wrote:
Population has risen since \'decades ago\' and we\'d be starving now if crop production didn\'t rise too. That\'s market effect, not a sign of progress. Soil improvement would be progress; that\'s not happening.
Yet there are still LOTS of folks who *are* starving. So, clearly any gains are illusory.
The fraction of world population that is near starvation has declined hugely in the last 50 years. Wars and politics create the occasional regressions.
Sadly, externalities aren\'t factored into the price of foodstuffs.
We\'re running alarmingly short of water (desert southwest) yet still growing alfalfa and other water-intensive crops. Largely for export.
California, legally a desert, grows almonds and cotton and rice for export. Agree, that\'s crazy, but it\'s also self-limiting. And
California still grows lots of food.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:31:22?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general
happiness and, indeed, to population control.
The \'poorest people\' have local crops, and don\'t need cash. And, they\'re
finding the climate worse (and food scarce), so they have to migrate.
We\'ve all heard about boatloads of folk trying to cross
the Mediterranean, is drowning them what you mean by \'population control\'?
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:31:22?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general
happiness and, indeed, to population control.
The \'poorest people\' have local crops, and don\'t need cash. And, they\'re
finding the climate worse (and food scarce), so they have to migrate.
We\'ve all heard about boatloads of folk trying to cross
the Mediterranean, is drowning them what you mean by \'population control\'?
Far too inefficient to drown them in the Mediterranean, since that
would require drowning 250 000 _each_day to stop population growth.
A more human method would be to send only IUDs as the only foreign aid
for a decade or two to the countries with worst population growth.
On 2023-07-06, upsid...@downunder.com <upsid...@downunder.com> wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:31:22?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general happiness and, indeed, to population control.
The \'poorest people\' have local crops, and don\'t need cash. And, they\'re finding the climate worse (and food scarce), so they have to migrate.
We\'ve all heard about boatloads of folk trying to cross the Mediterranean, is drowning them what you mean by \'population control\'?
Far too inefficient to drown them in the Mediterranean, since that would require drowning 250 000 _each_day to stop population growth.
A more human method would be to send only IUDs as the only foreign aid for a decade or two to the countries with worst population growth.
That sounds like a genocide to me.
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:31:22â¯AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
That\'s what he likes to claim. Sadly, he doesn\'t have a clue how this might be done, but sustained doses of climate change denials propganda have convinced him that burning more fossil carbon as fuel is a necessary part of the process. The Agricultural Revolution got going in Eng;land from 1700. before the Industrial Revolution and without burning any coal.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general happiness and, indeed, to population control.
All true, and all quite independent of burning fossil carbon. Use solar cells to charge the batteries that let the school children stays in the evening. Burning the midnight oil was never good for the atmosphere, and it was bad for the lungs of the students.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:31:22?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general
happiness and, indeed, to population control.
The \'poorest people\' have local crops, and don\'t need cash. And, they\'re
finding the climate worse (and food scarce), so they have to migrate.
We\'ve all heard about boatloads of folk trying to cross
the Mediterranean, is drowning them what you mean by \'population control\'?
Far too inefficient to drown them in the Mediterranean, since that
would require drowning 250 000 _each_day to stop population growth.
A more human method would be to send only IUDs as the only foreign aid
for a decade or two to the countries with worst population growth.
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:02:53â¯AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:31:22â¯AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
That\'s what he likes to claim. Sadly, he doesn\'t have a clue how this might be done, but sustained doses of climate change denials propaganda have convinced him that burning more fossil carbon as fuel is a necessary part of the process. The Agricultural Revolution got going in Eng;land from 1700.. before the Industrial Revolution and without burning any coal.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general happiness and, indeed, to population control.
All true, and all quite independent of burning fossil carbon. Use solar cells to charge the batteries that let the school children stays in the evening. Burning the midnight oil was never good for the atmosphere, and it was bad for the lungs of the students.
Mankind\'s agricultural output was outright paltry until mechanization came along.
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 12:55:29â¯AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:02:53â¯AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:31:22â¯AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
That\'s what he likes to claim. Sadly, he doesn\'t have a clue how this might be done, but sustained doses of climate change denials propaganda have convinced him that burning more fossil carbon as fuel is a necessary part of the process. The Agricultural Revolution got going in Eng;land from 1700. before the Industrial Revolution and without burning any coal.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general happiness and, indeed, to population control.
All true, and all quite independent of burning fossil carbon. Use solar cells to charge the batteries that let the school children stays in the evening. Burning the midnight oil was never good for the atmosphere, and it was bad for the lungs of the students.
Mankind\'s agricultural output was outright paltry until mechanization came along.
The Agricultural Revolution meant that half the population could feed the other half. That\'s paltry compared with mechanised agriculture, but it was enough allow the industrial revolution, and Russia industrialised without doing much better.
Don\'t know about other places, but U.S. was just starting total mechanization in the 1940s. The result was acres in cultivation per farmer took off exponentially. And this is gas/ diesel combustion engine mechanization. There was steam powered mechanization around in the mid-19th century, but it wasn\'t in wide use and ordinary farmers weren\'t using it.
It made a great deal of difference, but the third world doesn\'t need to get that far to do much better than it is doing at the moment
There may have been other limitations that made steam impractical, like all these machines weighed 20 tons and the engines were weak. I saw a steam powered machine designed to lay drainage tile. Looked like something from a Jules Verne story. Tires were out of the question, they used big heavy wheels, with spikes for traction.
Solar and windmill powered mechanisation is quite a enough get beyond the original Agricultural revolution. The world isn\'t required to recapitulate the European industrialisation of agriculture to get to European agricultural outputs, and the third world doesn\'t need to eat as much meat as Americans do - in fact it should eat rather less (and so should Americans).
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:03:16â¯PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 12:55:29â¯AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:02:53â¯AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:31:22â¯AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
That\'s what he likes to claim. Sadly, he doesn\'t have a clue how this might be done, but sustained doses of climate change denials propaganda have convinced him that burning more fossil carbon as fuel is a necessary part of the process. The Agricultural Revolution got going in Eng;land from 1700. before the Industrial Revolution and without burning any coal.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general happiness and, indeed, to population control.
All true, and all quite independent of burning fossil carbon. Use solar cells to charge the batteries that let the school children stays in the evening. Burning the midnight oil was never good for the atmosphere, and it was bad for the lungs of the students.
Mankind\'s agricultural output was outright paltry until mechanization came along.
The Agricultural Revolution meant that half the population could feed the other half. That\'s paltry compared with mechanised agriculture, but it was enough allow the industrial revolution, and Russia industrialised without doing much better.
Don\'t know about other places, but U.S. was just starting total mechanization in the 1940s. The result was acres in cultivation per farmer took off exponentially. And this is gas/ diesel combustion engine mechanization. There was steam powered mechanization around in the mid-19th century, but it wasn\'t in wide use and ordinary farmers weren\'t using it.
It made a great deal of difference, but the third world doesn\'t need to get that far to do much better than it is doing at the moment
The problem with primitives in the third world is farming practices are more of a cultural tradition than anything else, and they don\'t want to be told to change. You can give them a bunch of state of the art farm equipment and they let it sit idle and rust.
There may have been other limitations that made steam impractical, like all these machines weighed 20 tons and the engines were weak. I saw a steam powered machine designed to lay drainage tile. Looked like something from a Jules Verne story. Tires were out of the question, they used big heavy wheels, with spikes for traction.
Solar and windmill powered mechanisation is quite a enough get beyond the original Agricultural revolution. The world isn\'t required to recapitulate the European industrialisation of agriculture to get to European agricultural outputs, and the third world doesn\'t need to eat as much meat as Americans do - in fact it should eat rather less (and so should Americans).
There are other aspects to farming. It\'s estimated that without modern herbicide and pesticide application, modern output would decline by 70%.
torsdag den 6. juli 2023 kl. 22.47.13 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 12:03:16â¯PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 12:55:29â¯AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:02:53â¯AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:31:22â¯AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:18:49?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
All they know for sure is their current crop of models are oversimplified and dangerously useless for predicting the kind of extreme events coming their way. ( But I bet the graphics are real impressive.)
https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-weve-underestimated-the-risk-of-simultaneous-crop-failures-worldwide
Crop production is way above what it was decades ago, and still
increasing.
So, John Larkin is a fan of underestimation.
No, I\'m a fan of feeding the poorest people on the planet.
That\'s what he likes to claim. Sadly, he doesn\'t have a clue how this might be done, but sustained doses of climate change denials propaganda have convinced him that burning more fossil carbon as fuel is a necessary part of the process. The Agricultural Revolution got going in Eng;land from 1700. before the Industrial Revolution and without burning any coal.
Feed them, educate them: that\'s the path to progress and general happiness and, indeed, to population control.
All true, and all quite independent of burning fossil carbon. Use solar cells to charge the batteries that let the school children stays in the evening. Burning the midnight oil was never good for the atmosphere, and it was bad for the lungs of the students.
Mankind\'s agricultural output was outright paltry until mechanization came along.
The Agricultural Revolution meant that half the population could feed the other half. That\'s paltry compared with mechanised agriculture, but it was enough allow the industrial revolution, and Russia industrialised without doing much better.
Don\'t know about other places, but U.S. was just starting total mechanization in the 1940s. The result was acres in cultivation per farmer took off exponentially. And this is gas/ diesel combustion engine mechanization. There was steam powered mechanization around in the mid-19th century, but it wasn\'t in wide use and ordinary farmers weren\'t using it.
It made a great deal of difference, but the third world doesn\'t need to get that far to do much better than it is doing at the moment
The problem with primitives in the third world is farming practices are more of a cultural tradition than anything else, and they don\'t want to be told to change. You can give them a bunch of state of the art farm equipment and they let it sit idle and rust.
There may have been other limitations that made steam impractical, like all these machines weighed 20 tons and the engines were weak. I saw a steam powered machine designed to lay drainage tile. Looked like something from a Jules Verne story. Tires were out of the question, they used big heavy wheels, with spikes for traction.
Solar and windmill powered mechanisation is quite a enough get beyond the original Agricultural revolution. The world isn\'t required to recapitulate the European industrialisation of agriculture to get to European agricultural outputs, and the third world doesn\'t need to eat as much meat as Americans do - in fact it should eat rather less (and so should Americans).
There are other aspects to farming. It\'s estimated that without modern herbicide and pesticide application, modern output would decline by 70%.
maybe in some places but I doubt it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_farming