Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to producing m...

[a a]

Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 10:05:37 AM UTC+11, a a wrote:

Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

The meat and dairy industries account for 14% of current green house emissions because the energy they use is mostly generated by burning fossil carbon.

It doesn\'t have to be, and progressively less of it is.

As an argument for eating insects, it\'s incoherent nonsense, like the the rest of a a\'s out put.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:

Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

Why do people make a big deal of protein? It\'s actually hard to find foods that do not have sufficient amounts of protein. I think very few people actually know much about the protein content of food, including professionals, like doctors.

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[Dan Purgert]

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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high
protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to
producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry
accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

Why do people make a big deal of protein? It\'s actually hard to find
foods that do not have sufficient amounts of protein. I think very
few people actually know much about the protein content of food,
including professionals, like doctors.

I think the main issue is that \"protein\" is a catchall term for various
molecules built out of the amino acids that we need.

Plants are \"incomplete\", so you need to mix sources (which isn\'t exactly
difficult -- a peanut-butter sandwich for example); whereas meat
(including insects) provides \"complete\" proteins.


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[Ricky]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:

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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high
protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to
producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry
accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

Why do people make a big deal of protein? It\'s actually hard to find
foods that do not have sufficient amounts of protein. I think very
few people actually know much about the protein content of food,
including professionals, like doctors.
I think the main issue is that \"protein\" is a catchall term for various
molecules built out of the amino acids that we need.

Plants are \"incomplete\", so you need to mix sources (which isn\'t exactly
difficult -- a peanut-butter sandwich for example); whereas meat
(including insects) provides \"complete\" proteins.

That is the completely wrong BS that I\'m talking about. This is a widely held myth that will not die, because no one wants to do the work to learn the facts.

The source was a book written in the 70s, \"Diet for a Small Planet\", which I read when it came out. The author never actually said you *needed* to \"complete\" the essential amino acid \"balance\" by mixing vegetable foods. She simply said doing so provided complementing amounts of the essential amino acids which gave a better balance. Unless you limit your diet to a handful of vegetables that are the exception, if you ate nothing but one vegetable, you might suffer from various forms of malnutrition, but it would not be poor protein consumption.

I had a conversation about it in this group. It was hard to get the facts. The sources of details on amino acid content of food are few and far between. They also use a wide variety of measures of such amino acids. But if you do the work of finding the info and evaluating the nutritional content of just a couple of vegetable sources, you will find there is no protein problem in vegetables and talking about \"incomplete\" proteins is BS.

Do the work. Find actual numbers and prove me wrong. Or continue to parrot the same BS as everyone else. Even the author of \"Diet for a Small Planet\", Frances Moore Lappé says the same thing as what I\'ve written above.. She wrote the book to encourage people to eat vegetarian, because it is more sustainable. She never said there was a nutritional need for \"complementing\" amino acids by eating different vegetables.

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[Dan Purgert]

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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high
protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to
producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry
accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

Why do people make a big deal of protein? It\'s actually hard to find
foods that do not have sufficient amounts of protein. I think very
few people actually know much about the protein content of food,
including professionals, like doctors.
I think the main issue is that \"protein\" is a catchall term for various
molecules built out of the amino acids that we need.

Plants are \"incomplete\", so you need to mix sources (which isn\'t exactly
difficult -- a peanut-butter sandwich for example); whereas meat
(including insects) provides \"complete\" proteins.

That is the completely wrong BS that I\'m talking about. This is a
widely held myth that will not die, because no one wants to do the
work to learn the facts.

Of the twenty-one (21) amino acids that form \"protein\", there are
nine(9) amino acids that humans _MUST_ obtain from their food.

This gives food two very broad \"categories\":

- a \"complete protein\" source, which has all nine of these amino acids
by itself.
- an \"incomplete protein\" source, which doesn\'t supply all nine of
these amino acids.

What\'s the \"myth\" here?

[...]
Do the work. Find actual numbers and prove me wrong.

\"Summary of the adult indispensable amino acid requirements\" on page 150
of the WHO\'s publication \"Protein and Amino Acid Requirements in Human
Nutrition\" [1] seems like it fits the bill.

Only thing is, this paper is from 2007; and 15 years may have produced
additional studies.

[1]
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/43411/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf#page=164


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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:09:02 AM UTC+11, Dan Purgert wrote:

On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:


Only thing is, this paper is from 2007; and 15 years may have produced
additional studies.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/43411/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf#page=164

It seems pretty unlikely that anybody will find a news amino acid that we need, and while the exact amounts we need may get refined by further studies, it\'s not going to make much difference - the mix of amino-acids you need is going to vary a bit with the range of proteins you are synthesising, so there\'s not a lot of point in trying to get the proportions exactly right.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Dan Purgert]

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On 2023-03-03, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:09:02 AM UTC+11, Dan Purgert wrote:
[...]
Only thing is, this paper is from 2007; and 15 years may have produced
additional studies.


It seems pretty unlikely that anybody will find a news amino acid that
we need, and while the exact amounts we need may get refined by
further studies, it\'s not going to make much difference - the mix of
amino-acids you need is going to vary a bit with the range of proteins
you are synthesising, so there\'s not a lot of point in trying to get
the proportions exactly right.

The comment was more intended to head off any more claims of \"just
touting more BS and myths\" because it\'s a 15 year old table of ballpark
figures; and some (hypothetical) 2016 study that I didn\'t quote shifted
things around a bit.

Seems I might\'ve dialed up the \"cautiousness\" a bit too much though


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[a a]

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Yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa post.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:05:37 PM UTC-5, a a wrote:

Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

It\'s not cheap, running about $40/lb:

https://www.amazon.com/Protein-Premium-Cricket-Powder-flour/dp/B07942CGCG/ref=sr_1_1

This article reads like it was written by someone with juvenile mental development:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/02/how-insects-positively-impact-climate-change/

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:37:51 AM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:09:02 AM UTC+11, Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:


Only thing is, this paper is from 2007; and 15 years may have produced
additional studies.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/43411/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf#page=164

It seems pretty unlikely that anybody will find a news amino acid that we need, and while the exact amounts we need may get refined by further studies, it\'s not going to make much difference - the mix of amino-acids you need is going to vary a bit with the range of proteins you are synthesising, so there\'s not a lot of point in trying to get the proportions exactly right..

A recent study out of UK found a strong association between high protein intake and dementia in older assisted living residents.

High protein intake was defined as using the dosing specified by some kind of European medical health council of 1g per kg body mass daily, and this is for people older than 75 yo , or something like that. Up to now, all indications were that high protein intake wards off dementia, so the results were quite a shocker. They don\'t apply to older anymore.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:09:02 AM UTC-5, Dan Purgert wrote:

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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high
protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to
producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry
accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

Why do people make a big deal of protein? It\'s actually hard to find
foods that do not have sufficient amounts of protein. I think very
few people actually know much about the protein content of food,
including professionals, like doctors.
I think the main issue is that \"protein\" is a catchall term for various
molecules built out of the amino acids that we need.

Plants are \"incomplete\", so you need to mix sources (which isn\'t exactly
difficult -- a peanut-butter sandwich for example); whereas meat
(including insects) provides \"complete\" proteins.

That is the completely wrong BS that I\'m talking about. This is a
widely held myth that will not die, because no one wants to do the
work to learn the facts.
Of the twenty-one (21) amino acids that form \"protein\", there are
nine(9) amino acids that humans _MUST_ obtain from their food.

This gives food two very broad \"categories\":

- a \"complete protein\" source, which has all nine of these amino acids
by itself.
- an \"incomplete protein\" source, which doesn\'t supply all nine of
these amino acids.

What\'s the \"myth\" here?

Can you name any foods that don\'t have sufficient amounts of all 9 essential amino acids? I don\'t recall for certain, but I want to say there are only 8, because while the human body can\'t make any of these, it can convert one into another, but that\'s a minor point.

I\'ll start the ball rolling. Sweet Potato. That\'s the only vegetable in the short list of vegetable foods that don\'t have sufficient amounts of each of the 9 essential amino acids, so that if you get all your calories from that one food, you will have all the 9 essential amino acids you need. I\'ve never heard of a food that didn\'t have enough of the non-essential amino acids, partly because the body makes them, but mostly because there\'s plenty of protein in nearly every food.

So what is on the list other than Sweet Potato? I can never recall the others, because they are so seldom part of my diet. Even sweet potato is not often found on my plate.

[...]
Do the work. Find actual numbers and prove me wrong.
\"Summary of the adult indispensable amino acid requirements\" on page 150
of the WHO\'s publication \"Protein and Amino Acid Requirements in Human
Nutrition\" [1] seems like it fits the bill.

But you have to match that up to the amino acid content of all 9 essential amino acids (EAAs), in relation to the calorie content. Like I said, lots of resources list this info in very diverse measures.

Have you ever wondered why the medical community uses metric measurements, but in very arcane ways, like mg/dl? WTF??? What\'s wrong with mg/l or g/l? Are they afraid of decimal points? mg/l would be the same number, but

Only thing is, this paper is from 2007; and 15 years may have produced
additional studies.

[1]
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/43411/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf#page=164


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[Ricky]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:49:07 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:09:02 AM UTC-5, Dan Purgert wrote:
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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Purgert wrote:
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On 2023-03-03, Ricky wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
Research suggests insects are a climate-friendly food with high
protein levels. Farming insects is a lower carbon alternative to
producing meat. According to the UN, the meat and dairy industry
accounts for 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
#insects #food #germany

Why do people make a big deal of protein? It\'s actually hard to find
foods that do not have sufficient amounts of protein. I think very
few people actually know much about the protein content of food,
including professionals, like doctors.
I think the main issue is that \"protein\" is a catchall term for various
molecules built out of the amino acids that we need.

Plants are \"incomplete\", so you need to mix sources (which isn\'t exactly
difficult -- a peanut-butter sandwich for example); whereas meat
(including insects) provides \"complete\" proteins.

That is the completely wrong BS that I\'m talking about. This is a
widely held myth that will not die, because no one wants to do the
work to learn the facts.
Of the twenty-one (21) amino acids that form \"protein\", there are
nine(9) amino acids that humans _MUST_ obtain from their food.

This gives food two very broad \"categories\":

- a \"complete protein\" source, which has all nine of these amino acids
by itself.
- an \"incomplete protein\" source, which doesn\'t supply all nine of
these amino acids.

What\'s the \"myth\" here?
Can you name any foods that don\'t have sufficient amounts of all 9 essential amino acids? I don\'t recall for certain, but I want to say there are only 8, because while the human body can\'t make any of these, it can convert one into another, but that\'s a minor point.

I\'ll start the ball rolling. Sweet Potato. That\'s the only vegetable in the short list of vegetable foods that don\'t have sufficient amounts of each of the 9 essential amino acids, so that if you get all your calories from that one food, you will have all the 9 essential amino acids you need. I\'ve never heard of a food that didn\'t have enough of the non-essential amino acids, partly because the body makes them, but mostly because there\'s plenty of protein in nearly every food.

So what is on the list other than Sweet Potato? I can never recall the others, because they are so seldom part of my diet. Even sweet potato is not often found on my plate.
[...]
Do the work. Find actual numbers and prove me wrong.
\"Summary of the adult indispensable amino acid requirements\" on page 150
of the WHO\'s publication \"Protein and Amino Acid Requirements in Human
Nutrition\" [1] seems like it fits the bill.

But you have to match that up to the amino acid content of all 9 essential amino acids (EAAs), in relation to the calorie content. Like I said, lots of resources list this info in very diverse measures.

Have you ever wondered why the medical community uses metric measurements, but in very arcane ways, like mg/dl? WTF??? What\'s wrong with mg/l or g/l? Are they afraid of decimal points? mg/l would be the same number, but

Somehow the message got sent in mid sentence.

, but 10 times larger. Whatever.

So how does WHO provide the info? Are they citing an EDR, or EAR or AI, or RDA, or DRV or RDI?

Only thing is, this paper is from 2007; and 15 years may have produced
additional studies.

[1]
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/43411/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf#page=164

So what does it say???

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