Request for a vote, newsgroup alt.binaries.electronics

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Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no one there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.


I did a google search and came upon this doc,

http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
warranted?

1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
group would both be need to be viable after the split.



The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
"what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
all these files are related to music and video files. How
are the datasheets related to music and video?
I have not posted any porn, music or video files.

Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.

I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
will probably complain about copyright of executables.

With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
newsgroup.

Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.

This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
multi-part binary files should be introduced.

I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics

CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
available, this charter will add those archiving software.

The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
copyrighted software is banned.


as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
viable after the split.


I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
dose not exist on any web page.

Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
Word documents, animations etc)

ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.

Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.


I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
future postings.


Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
numerical justification for the creation of a new group.

RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
be counted as relevant for justification purposes.


This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.
 
just do it.

there are 10.000 shitty newsgroups around already, what do i care if
there is another one

"newtype" <fakeaddress@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9737C4E5FA697res808c4earthlinknet@63.218.45.254...
: Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
: made to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic , the realization
: is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
: are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
: so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
: I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
: newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
: data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
: sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
: do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
: obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
: have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
: If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
: complain about corporate copyright law? There's no one there
: at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
: The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
: with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
: with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
: internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.
:
:
: I did a google search and came upon this doc,
:
: http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming
:
: If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
: be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
: The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
: warranted?
:
: 1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
: more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
: is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
: reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
: by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
: idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
: alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
: is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
: group would both be need to be viable after the split.
:
:
:
: The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
: to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
: them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
: then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
: "what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
: This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
: archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
: been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
: newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
: browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
: related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
: all these files are related to music and video files. How
: are the datasheets related to music and video?
: I have not posted any porn, music or video files.
:
: Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
: to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
: to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
: music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.
:
: I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
: There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
: In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
: posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
: anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
: to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
: a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
: will probably complain about copyright of executables.
:
: With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
: will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
: cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
: use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
: newsgroup.
:
: Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
: PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
: speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
: multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.
:
: This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
: multi-part binary files should be introduced.
:
: I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics
:
: CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
: design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
: electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
: obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
: post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
: The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
: and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
: available, this charter will add those archiving software.
:
: The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
: and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
: cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
: copyrighted software is banned.
:
:
: as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming
:
: People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
: discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
: viable after the split.
:
:
: I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
: dose not exist on any web page.
:
: Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
: that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
: Word documents, animations etc)
:
: ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
: under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.
:
: Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.
:
:
: I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
: future postings.
:
:
: Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
: there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
: numerical justification for the creation of a new group.
:
: RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
: relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
: appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
: be counted as relevant for justification purposes.
:
:
: This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
: not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.
:
: This a call for a vote.
 
newtype wrote:

.... snipped
This a call for a vote.
If you think there is a need for these old datasheets, why not put them
on a website ? Easier to access than a newsgroup, and lasts longer.
Just point to the site with a few postings to the electronics newsgroups.


--
Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Design Engineer J & K Micro Systems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.
 
On 26 Dec 2005 03:21:25 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e
IMO a better option is to post your stuff to your own webspace, or
upload it to a free data storage service. AFAIK the latter option will
allow you to retain your anonymity, if that is an issue. If your data
are predominantly IC and semiconductor datasheets, then I would
suggest making them available to free archiving services such as
http://www.datasheetarchive.com or http://www.alldatasheet.com.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net> wrote in
news:43b06db7$1@duster.adelaide.on.net:

newtype wrote:

... snipped
This a call for a vote.

If you think there is a need for these old datasheets, why not
put them on a website ? Easier to access than a newsgroup, and
lasts longer. Just point to the site with a few postings to the
electronics newsgroups.
Because I repair old equipment. I've u/l to alldatsheet.kr ? but
some said their company firewall has blocked *.kr , all asian
servers. But it dosen't matter any more. I was informed of
a.b.e-books.techical. This is a better place.
 
newtype wrote:
The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them.
So .. if the people in abse don't want them posted there, and noone
knows what to do with them anyway .. why do you need to post them in
such a transient media as usenet?

Cheers!
Rick
 
Rick Measham <maildump@isite.net.au> wrote in
news:43b11709$1_4@news.peopletelecom.com.au:

newtype wrote:
The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them.

So .. if the people in abse don't want them posted there, and
noone knows what to do with them anyway .. why do you need to
post them in such a transient media as usenet?

Cheers!
Rick
I, and others around the world, have to repair old electronic
equipment. For ex. someone wanted some ECL 10106, very old 1979
vintage,the MicroLinear ML4410, which ML dosen't make anymore, etc.
I've sent to alldatasheets.kr, korea, an old Cypress PDLs from the
early 1990's. Someone said their firewall has blocked all traffic
to russian, china and korea, due to the high virus and hacking
going on their. There are very few people in the world that will
ever need such datasheets, you'll someday see when you want/have
to repair something. Your looking at this pcb and muttering to
yourself, why don't they upgrade. The upgrading might involve a
company spending $100's, $1000's ? Company don't want to do that.
SO your stuck, what is this IC? Gotot have a schematic and
datsheets. No schematics. The original mfg dosen't exist. Now what
are you going to do. It might be a few years before anyone might
want a datasheet like what I just posted. Here's interesting, the
82s129 that I posted went to 5 people in the world. Someone in the
UK want teh 82s100. If you try to do a google search for obsolete
parts, you'll find tons of distributors to sell the obsolete parts,
but no data.

I figure the datasheets I scanned from my databooks and turned into
300dpi pdfs, big pdfs, should be posted to a 'binaries' newsgroup.
Anyone can access the newsgroups, not everyone can access web
pages. Sometimes you have to pay to access web pages, or login with
a password, and who is sick of making up another new password.

I made sense to me to post an electronic binary files to
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic. Right? Where's the problem?
The problem is a few users, the bashers and flamers who attacked me
for posting to an open newsgroup, seem to control a.b.s.e .
Who are these complainers? They want a.b.s.e for a private
discussion group. They don't want rar/par files in a.b.s.e .

Try it yourself, find an equipment manual that nobody has. Someone
out in the world might want it for a collection. Break up the pdf
into ten 500kb rar files with pars files and see what happens.
You might even be threatened your breaking copyright laws, and they
will contact your ISP for breaking copyright laws.

I was slammed "Read the f*%king charter, dumb f@&king idiot"
There never was a charter written. When a.b.s.e was created, it's a
self explanitory newsgroup name. Made sense back in 1988?

alt.binaries.e-book.technical is a better fun place to be.
Atleast I wont be threatened all the time.
 

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