Request for a vote, for new electronic newsgroup

[newtype]

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.


I did a google search and came upon this doc,

http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
warranted?

1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
group would both be need to be viable after the split.



The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
"what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
all these files are related to music and video files. How
are the datasheets related to music and video?
I have not posted any porn, music or video files.

Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.

I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
will probably complain about copyright of executables.

With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
newsgroup.

Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.

This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
multi-part binary files should be introduced.

I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics

CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
available, this charter will add those archiving software.

The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
copyrighted software is banned.


as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
viable after the split.


I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
dose not exist on any web page.

Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
Word documents, animations etc)

ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.

Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.


I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
future postings.


Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
numerical justification for the creation of a new group.

RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
be counted as relevant for justification purposes.


This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.

 

[John Fields]

On 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net>
wrote:

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
complain about corporate copyright law? There's no there
at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.


I did a google search and came upon this doc,

http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
warranted?

1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
group would both be need to be viable after the split.



The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
"what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
related. How is a datasheet porn material? I've been told
all these files are related to music and video files. How
are the datasheets related to music and video?
I have not posted any porn, music or video files.

Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.

I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
will probably complain about copyright of executables.

With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
newsgroup.

Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.

This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
multi-part binary files should be introduced.

I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics

CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
available, this charter will add those archiving software.

The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
copyrighted software is banned.


as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming

People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
viable after the split.


I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
dose not exist on any web page.

Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
Word documents, animations etc)

ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.

Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.


I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
future postings.


Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
numerical justification for the creation of a new group.

RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
be counted as relevant for justification purposes.


This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

This a call for a vote.

---
What you're _really_ looking for is a way to get off the hook for
being stupid, and you figure that if you can get a newsgroup created
with a charter which will fall more or less in line with allowing
unwanted flooding to occur, then it won't be you who was wrong, it
was everyone else.

You're a fucking idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't change
that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll give you what
we want to, and if you don't like it, then take a fucking hike.

There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes. What there is
a need for is for you to get over your little fit of pique and come
to the realization that no one asked for much of the material you
posted, which you did merely to annoy us for 'daring' to criticize
your indiscriminate posting of unrequested material for your own
egotistical, vindictive reasons.

Moderated too, huh?

LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get lost.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[newtype]

You need to see an anger management specialist.


John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in
news160r19aum6792bqeprsh63cucica7bm6m@4ax.com:

On 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net
wrote:

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
.... big snip ...
This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

---
What you're _really_ looking for is a way to get off the hook for
being stupid, and you figure that if you can get a newsgroup created
with a charter which will fall more or less in line with allowing
unwanted flooding to occur, then it won't be you who was wrong, it
was everyone else.

I don't want to get off any hook. Someone wanted a ML4410 datasheet.
I scanned the datasheet to a pdf and I posted it, in multiple parts
of rars & pars to a.b.s.e , since it was a pdf binaray file.
YOU Personally, must own a.b.s.e ? I posted binary files to a
binaries newsgroup, what newsgroup law did I break? None.

Current users of a.b.s.e don't know what to do with rar and par
files, don't know how to use/configure newsreaders, accusing me
of posting files that look like they belong in a porn newsgroup,
music or video. Where's the problem here? humm, lack of
understanding, judgment ?


"I was told 'Go read the f*#king charter" . I did look for a
charter and a.b.s.e dosen't have a charter, never did.

I propose a newsgroup and I made a charter. And here you are again
attacking me, harassing me. I'm dead certain if there was a
company representatvie you'd be fired for harassment.

You're a fucking idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't change
that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll give you what
we want to, and if you don't like it, then take a fucking hike.

From a professional, I would't expect less. Your kind always badgers
belittles everyone else. Creating a new newsgroup to accept the
'flooding' as you call it, Creating a charter that states multiple
part files are allowed... why am I a f@&king idiot for that ?

Beside someone else said there's alt.binaries.ebook.technical
That's where I'll be posting the datasheets I have. I did look
for a alt.binaries , I missed a.b.e.t .

There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes.

If the current users of the newsgroup a.b.s.e , can't except multiple
part files, then I proposed a new newsgroup that will carry multiple
part files. Call it flooding? Get a life old man yeller, at this
rate you'll get an ulcer or heart attack at your age for sure.

What there is a need for is for you to get over your little fit
of pique and come to the realization that no one asked for much
of the material you posted, which you did merely to annoy us for
'daring' to criticize your indiscriminate posting of unrequested
material for your own egotistical, vindictive reasons.

You need to see an anger management specialist.

As I said before,there was a request for a ML4410 datasheet and
I posted it to an electronics newsgroup for binaries, a.b.s.e .
You object to posting binaries? Nope, you object to me posting
because in the past 2 or 3 weeks, there were jpgs of a building
project in san francisco, a 'copyrighted' manual for a wavetek
175 that was 13megs,(a typical big pdf file), and other 'copyrighted'
manual posts, which you have no problem with. I don't recall anyone
asking for these expilitly. But when I post a jpg with 4 ECL ICs
on a static, you attack me " ... You F*%king idiot." .

I was asked for any early prom info. I posted the sginetics 1975
datasheet, I got 2 request from the newsgroup for a 82s129 and 82s100.
I don't remember anyone asking you explictly for ML4410, 82s129, 82s100
datasheets. It's hard to mind your own business at your age huh?

Moderated too, huh? LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get lost.

I've volunteered as a moderator back in school, I know the hours,
it's not impossible. Just some robot software progams ? What's the
big deal? Your just attacking and harassing me. I can only wonder
if your the one who's been send me spam email?

 

[John Fields]

On 26 Dec 2005 17:58:43 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net>
wrote:

You need to see an anger management specialist.

---
Blow me.
---

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in
news160r19aum6792bqeprsh63cucica7bm6m@4ax.com:

On 26 Dec 2005 03:04:03 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net
wrote:

Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
made to alt.binaires.schematics.electronic , the realization
... big snip ...
This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.


---
What you're _really_ looking for is a way to get off the hook for
being stupid, and you figure that if you can get a newsgroup created
with a charter which will fall more or less in line with allowing
unwanted flooding to occur, then it won't be you who was wrong, it
was everyone else.


I don't want to get off any hook. Someone wanted a ML4410 datasheet.
I scanned the datasheet to a pdf and I posted it, in multiple parts
of rars & pars to a.b.s.e , since it was a pdf binaray file.
YOU Personally, must own a.b.s.e ? I posted binary files to a
binaries newsgroup, what newsgroup law did I break? None.

---
No one has a quarrel with your posting files that were asked for or,
AFAIK, that they were RARs. You might have posted, if you thought
that anyone might have trouble with PARs, where they could get the
software they needed to decode them. What everybody was bitching
about was the _quantity_ of material which you were posting which
wasn't requested. That's been stated over and over again. Why are
you having so much trouble understanding that?
---

Current users of a.b.s.e don't know what to do with rar and par
files, don't know how to use/configure newsreaders, accusing me
of posting files that look like they belong in a porn newsgroup,
music or video. Where's the problem here? humm, lack of
understanding, judgment ?

---
Not at all. I'm sure most of us know how to decode RARs, and a
flood or RARs and their associated PARs looks the same no matter
what newsgroup they're posted to. The comments about the porn and
video groups were probably because your flood made the headers look
the same on abse as they do there, if only becuse of their volume.
---

"I was told 'Go read the f*#king charter" . I did look for a
charter and a.b.s.e dosen't have a charter, never did.

I propose a newsgroup and I made a charter. And here you are again
attacking me, harassing me. I'm dead certain if there was a
company representatvie you'd be fired for harassment.

---
You need to get over being so thin-skinned if you want to play.

Especially when you consider that we (I, in any case) consider
harrassment to be what you've been doing with your unsolicited posts
after we've asked you to stop.

So, it's PKB, plain and simple.

If you want to try to get me fired send an email to
elpresidente@austininstruments.com with your complaints and see what
happens. You might get lucky. But I'm about to retire antway, so it
won't make difference anyway.
---

You're a fucking idiot, and getting a newsgroup created won't change
that. Regardless of what you're looking for, we'll give you what
we want to, and if you don't like it, then take a fucking hike.

From a professional, I would't expect less. Your kind always badgers
belittles everyone else.

---
No, just the worms who like to pretend to be snakes.
---

Creating a new newsgroup to accept the
'flooding' as you call it, Creating a charter that states multiple
part files are allowed... why am I a f@&king idiot for that ?

---
Because it's all unnecessary.
---

Beside someone else said there's alt.binaries.ebook.technical
That's where I'll be posting the datasheets I have.

---
Why? Does anyone really want them? Have you received requests for
them?
---

There is no need for a newsgroup such as you propose and,
consequently, there is no need for a call for votes.

If the current users of the newsgroup a.b.s.e , can't except multiple
part files, then I proposed a new newsgroup that will carry multiple
part files. Call it flooding?

---
No, what you did on abse was flooding. What you're proposing with
the new group is what I call stupidity.
---

Get a life old man yeller, at this
rate you'll get an ulcer or heart attack at your age for sure.

---
Seems like _you're_ the one thrashing around, stressed to the max
about being harrassed and all the rest of it. I'm coasting, dude.
---

What there is a need for is for you to get over your little fit
of pique and come to the realization that no one asked for much
of the material you posted, which you did merely to annoy us for
'daring' to criticize your indiscriminate posting of unrequested
material for your own egotistical, vindictive reasons.


You need to see an anger management specialist.

---
If I were angry I'd probably agree with you, but since I'm not I'd
have to say you were just taking pot-shots.
---

As I said before,there was a request for a ML4410 datasheet and
I posted it to an electronics newsgroup for binaries, a.b.s.e .
You object to posting binaries? Nope, you object to me posting
because in the past 2 or 3 weeks, there were jpgs of a building
project in san francisco, a 'copyrighted' manual for a wavetek
175 that was 13megs,(a typical big pdf file), and other 'copyrighted'
manual posts, which you have no problem with. I don't recall anyone
asking for these expilitly. But when I post a jpg with 4 ECL ICs
on a static, you attack me " ... You F*%king idiot." .

---
I don't have any problems with any of the posts you mention because
they're typically one-time events or things most of us who have been
here for a while are interested in or would like to see.

For instance, the building in San Franscisco was a fortune cookie
factory that John Larkin, the owner of Highland Technologies bought
for two million dollars and is converting to be his company's new
facility. John's been around here for a while and his stuff mostly
interesting, so he gets points for that. The rest of the stuff,
like the Wavetek manual and whatever, gets posted once, ostensibly
because someone asked for it, and its done with.

You, on the other hand are a stranger here with no points and the
first thing you do is start posting hundreds of megabytes of stuff
that NO ONE wants to see and when you're asked to quit you get all
defensive and post even more.
---

I was asked for any early prom info. I posted the sginetics 1975
datasheet, I got 2 request from the newsgroup for a 82s129 and 82s100.

---
Fine. like I said before, I don't think anyone got upset because
you posted stuff that was asked for, what the problem was was that
when you were asked to stop posting stuff no one had asked for, not
only did you not stop, you posted more just to rub our noses in it.
---

I don't remember anyone asking you explictly for ML4410, 82s129, 82s100
datasheets. It's hard to mind your own business at your age huh?

---
Not at all. I'm a member of this newsgroup and have been for a long
time, so if some newbie asshole like you comes along and starts
upsetting people I've grown to like over time, my friends, then it
_is_ my business. What does age have to do with it?
---

Moderated too, huh? LOL, _You're_ the one who needs to get lost.

I've volunteered as a moderator back in school, I know the hours,
it's not impossible. Just some robot software progams ? What's the
big deal?

---
The _want_ to be a moderator.

Go check out misc.business.product-dev; you might find a soul mate
there.
---

Your just attacking and harassing me. I can only wonder
if your the one who's been send me spam email?

---
Hey, you're supposed to be the one with the internet skills and the
fake email address, so go find out.

Lemme know what you find, OK?

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[John Fields]

On 27 Dec 2005 01:03:53 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net>
wrote:

I find that you are a self proclaimed newsgroup controller with no
credentials to be so. Your living in the past century, don't know the
worldly internet is changing. The $100.00 portable is already on the
plate and billions of people are going to be connected to the
internet.

---
Which means that inconsiderate, self-righteous people like you, who
have little regard for the wishes of others and can't seem to
understand that unwanted material wastes resources, will continue to
SPAM newsgroups with gigabytes of useless, unwanted information.
---

I don't want to be a moderator, but if it means starting a new
newsgroup, it's worth it since i've done it before and you havn't. To
filter out non-related topics to a new newsgroup is well worth it. A
new newsgroup will have very little traffic at 1st. I can always
request the new newsgroup be un-moderated. It's no big deal.

---
You are truly an idiot.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Simon]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:j2u4r1pek3rsmq47du7d4v288dlgv98c1t@4ax.com...

On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

---
What's a 'psot'?

Whats pedantric?

 

[Simon]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:th6ar1l80bvcjdkippjthfhvt7fchrf8oh@4ax.com...

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:55:26 GMT, "Simon" <a@b.c2zj> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:j2u4r1pek3rsmq47du7d4v288dlgv98c1t@4ax.com...
On 28 Dec 2005 00:48:30 GMT, newtype <fakeaddress@nowhere.net
wrote:

Let me ask you a simple question, besides all the blah blah blah.
Have you seen any further psots from me in
Alt.Binaries.Schematics.electronics ?
Just a simple yes or no ?

ans : ___

---
What's a 'psot'?

Whats pedantric?

---
There's no such word as 'pedantric', and you missed the apostrophe
in 'what's'.

wow another spelling flame. You really are a sad little fuck. are you bald

50 inch waist and have constant sweat patches under your arms? Get a f'ing
life for god's sake. COuld you not understand the OP's question even with
his spelling mistake? If not you are really thick. If you could, why did you
deflect from the question with a dig as his spelling mistake?

<awaits deflection from these 2 questions>