Remote Light Switch

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Desireless

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I got this from eBay, but it doesn't
seem to want to do much. Could anyone
please decode what the instructions are
saying in the pic?

http://i39.tinypic.com/295xv14.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14xfo5k.jpg

If I remove my normal bedroom
light switch I'm presented with two
wires - one red, one black. Putting
red into the box-live and black into the
box-N I can hear clicking when
the remote on/off switch is pressed -
no light though - plus the '1' wire
input on the box goes unused.

Any ideas?
 
"Desireless" <none@soundstate.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f1268df$0$7508$c3e8da3$26f9d57d@news.astraweb.com...
I got this from eBay, but it doesn't
seem to want to do much. Could anyone
please decode what the instructions are
saying in the pic?

http://i39.tinypic.com/295xv14.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14xfo5k.jpg

If I remove my normal bedroom
light switch I'm presented with two
wires - one red, one black. Putting
red into the box-live and black into the
box-N I can hear clicking when
the remote on/off switch is pressed -
no light though - plus the '1' wire
input on the box goes unused.

Any ideas?
Click to expand...
I forgot to say I think I'm right in saying
the circle/cross symbol is lamp? Not that
it helps me :)
 
Desireless wrote:
"Desireless"<none@soundstate.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f1268df$0$7508$c3e8da3$26f9d57d@news.astraweb.com...
I got this from eBay, but it doesn't
seem to want to do much. Could anyone
please decode what the instructions are
saying in the pic?

http://i39.tinypic.com/295xv14.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14xfo5k.jpg

If I remove my normal bedroom
light switch I'm presented with two
wires - one red, one black. Putting
red into the box-live and black into the
box-N I can hear clicking when
the remote on/off switch is pressed -
no light though - plus the '1' wire
input on the box goes unused.

Any ideas?
Click to expand...
Sure! Here is the way your lamp was connected and the changes needed:

Blue Neutral .-. Red Switched
Black Line Red Switched /-( X )----\
\ | '-' |
---------o o------\ Black Line | |
| ---------------)--------\ |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
,---. | | |
| X | Lamp o------. | |
'---' | | | |
| | .--)-|-|--------.
| | | | | | |
| | | o o o o o o |
| | | |
Blue Neutral | Blue Neutral | | N L 1 2 3 4 |
------------------/ ----------------/ | |
| |
| |
Original Connections | |
'---------------'

New Connections



(created by AACircuit v1.28.6 beta 04/19/05 www.tech-chat.de)

So your red wire goes to terminal 1,
Your black wire goes to terminal L,
and you need to locate a neutral wire
to connect to terminal N.



I forgot to say I think I'm right in saying
the circle/cross symbol is lamp? Not that
it helps me :)
Click to expand...
I think that is correct.

Please work safely.
This potentially quite dangerous.

--Winston
 
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:49:12 -0000, "Desireless"
<none@soundstate.co.uk> wrote:

I got this from eBay, but it doesn't
seem to want to do much. Could anyone
please decode what the instructions are
saying in the pic?

http://i39.tinypic.com/295xv14.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14xfo5k.jpg

If I remove my normal bedroom
light switch I'm presented with two
wires - one red, one black. Putting
red into the box-live and black into the
box-N I can hear clicking when
the remote on/off switch is pressed -
no light though - plus the '1' wire
input on the box goes unused.

Any ideas?
---
Click to expand...
Yeah.

According to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wiring_colours


if your wiring conforms to pre-2004 IEE, then Line is red and Neutral
is black.


I'm not familiar with UK code so, assuming that there is no regulation
specifying whether line or neutral may be switched - and red and black
appear at the switch - these possibilities exist:



RED BLACK BLACK
/ / /
LINE------[SWITCH]------[LAMP]---+
|
NEUTRAL>-------------------------+


RED RED BLACK
/ / /
LINE------[LAMP]-------[SWITCH]--+
|
NEUTRAL>-------------------------+




Your IR switch wants to see this:

+---------------------------+
| |
| L N 1 2 3 4 |
+-+--+----------+-----------+
| | |
LINE>-----+ | |
| |
NEUT>--------+--[LAMP]--+




So, in the case where line is switched it should be wired like this:

+---------------------------+
| |
| L N 1 2 3 4 |
+-+--+----------+-----------+
ON | | |
LINE>--[SWITCH]---+ | |
| |
NEUT>----------------+--[LAMP]--+


And when neutral is switched, like this:

+---------------------------+
| |
| L N 1 2 3 4 |
+-+--+----------+-----------+
| | |
LINE>-------------+ | |
ON | |
NEUT>--[SWITCH]------+--[LAMP]--+

Note that the IR switch must be located in the vicinity of the lamp
wiring in order to use only the existing wiring.

--
JF
 
John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:49:12 -0000, "Desireless"
none@soundstate.co.uk> wrote:

I got this from eBay, but it doesn't
seem to want to do much. Could anyone
please decode what the instructions are
saying in the pic?

http://i39.tinypic.com/295xv14.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14xfo5k.jpg

If I remove my normal bedroom
light switch I'm presented with two
wires - one red, one black. Putting
red into the box-live and black into the
box-N I can hear clicking when
the remote on/off switch is pressed -
no light though - plus the '1' wire
input on the box goes unused.

Any ideas?
---
Yeah.

According to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wiring_colours


if your wiring conforms to pre-2004 IEE, then Line is red and Neutral
is black.


I'm not familiar with UK code so, assuming that there is no regulation
specifying whether line or neutral may be switched - and red and black
appear at the switch - these possibilities exist:



RED BLACK BLACK
/ / /
LINE------[SWITCH]------[LAMP]---+
|
NEUTRAL>-------------------------+


RED RED BLACK
/ / /
LINE------[LAMP]-------[SWITCH]--+
|
NEUTRAL>-------------------------+




Your IR switch wants to see this:

+---------------------------+
| |
| L N 1 2 3 4 |
+-+--+----------+-----------+
| | |
LINE>-----+ | |
| |
NEUT>--------+--[LAMP]--+




So, in the case where line is switched it should be wired like this:

+---------------------------+
| |
| L N 1 2 3 4 |
+-+--+----------+-----------+
ON | | |
LINE>--[SWITCH]---+ | |
| |
NEUT>----------------+--[LAMP]--+


And when neutral is switched, like this:

+---------------------------+
| |
| L N 1 2 3 4 |
+-+--+----------+-----------+
| | |
LINE>-------------+ | |
ON | |
NEUT>--[SWITCH]------+--[LAMP]--+

Note that the IR switch must be located in the vicinity of the lamp
wiring in order to use only the existing wiring.
Click to expand...
Standard UK lighting circuit
============================

Lighting circuit looped through ceiling

L Red L Red
------------. .------------------
From supply \ / To other lamps
--------------\---------/--- --------
N Black \ / \ / N Black
\-----/------\-----/
|\ / \ /|
| \ / .-. \ / |
| o o-( X )-o |
| | | '-' |
| | | |
'--|----|----------'
| | Ceiling rose or fitting
L Red| |
| |L1 Black taped Red
.---|----|---------.
| | | |
| | |
| | | |L2 |
| | o /o |
| | / |
| | / |
| '----' |
'------------------'
Light Switch
(created by AACircuit v1.28.6 beta 04/19/05 www.tech-chat.de)

Notes: All colours pre-2005. All back boxes should be earthed. The
earth wire (not shown) may ONLY be used for earthing.

To get a Neutral at the existing switch wallbox, the drop from the lamp
must be replaced with four wire cable. This job may only be performed
by a so-called competent person, will require certification, and *MAY*
be statutorily notifiable under the Building Regulations *BEFORE*
commencement.

Call a licenced electrician! The certification inspection is pretty much
a closed shop and if you try to DIY the inspection costs will probably
be higher. All the cable colour codes were changed when the law changed
and you cant buy old coloured cable so even if you were willing to break
the law, there is no chance of sliding it by uninspected as it is likely
to be caught at your next inspection required by your insurance company.
--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & >32K emails --> NUL:
 
Thank you very much for all the replies! Clearly
now I'll need to get a pro' in to deal with things, but it's
good to see it in those diagrams. Much appreciated.
 
On Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:49:12 PM UTC-8, Desireless wrote:
I got this from eBay, but it doesn't
seem to want to do much. Could anyone
please decode what the instructions are
saying in the pic?

http://i39.tinypic.com/295xv14.jpg
Click to expand...
There are two wires (plus ground) in AC wiring; one is N
(for neutral) the other is L (for line). The box diagram indicates
that it switches a device, indicated by the circle-X. The diagram
clearly indicates that the device REQUIRES NEUTRAL AND LINE
connections, in addition to the switched wire. That means it
cannot replace a two-wire-and-ground simple switch (the switch
connects between L and switched-L, but needs no N wire).
http://i42.tinypic.com/14xfo5k.jpg

If I remove my normal bedroom
light switch I'm presented with two
wires - one red, one black. Putting
red into the box-live and black into the
box-N I can hear clicking when
the remote on/off switch is pressed -
no light though - plus the '1' wire
input on the box goes unused.

Any ideas?
Click to expand...
 
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