recruit FPGA design engineer in Scotland

[Recruit FPGA engineer]

The candidate needs to familiar with development of Altera FPGA and Verilog HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.
It is fix term project ,the duration of the job is 5 months, the venue of the job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,
It is full time job.

They company will offer great opportunity to graduates who wish to get work experience.

Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Please e-mail your CV to following address: clintonchn@yahoo.com

 

[rickman]

On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:

The candidate needs to familiar with development of Altera FPGA and Verilog HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.
It is fix term project ,the duration of the job is 5 months, the venue of the job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,
It is full time job.

They company will offer great opportunity to graduates who wish to get work experience.

Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Please e-mail your CV to following address: clintonchn@yahoo.com

Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
surprised they are looking around the world.

Rick

 

[John Speth]

On 8/21/2012 8:16 AM, Paul Colin Gloster wrote:

On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted:
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|[. . .] USD 40,000 per year |
|which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not |
|surprised they are looking around the world. |
| |
|Rick" |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in
the U.S.A. charge too much.

That's only half of the picture. USA engineers charge exactly what USA
employers are paying. Not all jobs can be offshored from the USA
either. Narrow minded employers see cost savings as the only reason to
offshore. It's a complex global situation.

JJS

 

[Nico Coesel]

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
The candidate needs to familiar with development of Altera FPGA and Verilog HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.
It is fix term project ,the duration of the job is 5 months, the venue of the job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,
It is full time job.

They company will offer great opportunity to graduates who wish to get work experience.

Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Please e-mail your CV to following address: clintonchn@yahoo.com

Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
surprised they are looking around the world.

You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

[John Speth]

On 8/21/2012 8:16 AM, Paul Colin Gloster wrote:

On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted:
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|[. . .] USD 40,000 per year |
|which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not |
|surprised they are looking around the world. |
| |
|Rick" |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in
the U.S.A. charge too much.

That's only half of the picture. USA engineers charge exactly what USA
employers are paying. Not all jobs can be offshored from the USA
either. Narrow minded employers see cost savings as the only reason to
offshore. It's a complex global situation.

JJS

 

[Paul Colin Gloster]

On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted:
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|[. . .] USD 40,000 per year |
|which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not |
|surprised they are looking around the world. |
| |
|Rick" |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in
the U.S.A. charge too much.

 

[Les Cargill]

Paul Colin Gloster wrote:

On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted:
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|[. . .] USD 40,000 per year |
|which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not |
|surprised they are looking around the world. |
| |
|Rick" |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in
the U.S.A. charge too much.

If that were actually true, the US would have 100% unemployment.

--
Les Cargill

 

[Gabor]

Brian Drummond wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:40:01 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
The candidate needs to familiar with development of Altera FPGA and
Verilog HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with
wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.
It is fix term project ,the duration of the job is 5 months, the venue
of the job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,
It is full time job.

They company will offer great opportunity to graduates who wish to get
work experience.

Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Please e-mail your CV to following address: clintonchn@yahoo.com
Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
surprised they are looking around the world.

About $32k last time I looked at the exchange rates.

But even if they were offering a realistic salary, I would be more
impressed if they translated the advert into English...

So let's just say that despite the fact that I am actively looking for
work at the moment, I haven't dropped my CV in their direction!

- Brian

Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter
working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address.
It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another
$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses.
I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use
yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet
group).

-- Gabor

 

[Brian Drummond]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:40:01 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
The candidate needs to familiar with development of Altera FPGA and
Verilog HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with
wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.
It is fix term project ,the duration of the job is 5 months, the venue
of the job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,
It is full time job.

They company will offer great opportunity to graduates who wish to get
work experience.

Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Please e-mail your CV to following address: clintonchn@yahoo.com

Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
surprised they are looking around the world.

About $32k last time I looked at the exchange rates.

But even if they were offering a realistic salary, I would be more
impressed if they translated the advert into English...

So let's just say that despite the fact that I am actively looking for
work at the moment, I haven't dropped my CV in their direction!

- Brian

 

[Philip Herzog]

On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote:

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living.

Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer
is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German
cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish.

- Philip
--
Remember Sammy Jenkins. (Memento)

 

[rickman]

On 8/22/2012 3:22 AM, Philip Herzog wrote:

On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote:
rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living.

Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer
is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German
cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish.

- Philip

My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low
or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets
a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. I was in Paris once
and when I looked at the cost of a small condo I realized I could never
afford to live in the downtown.

Rick

 

[Nico Coesel]

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/22/2012 3:22 AM, Philip Herzog wrote:
On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote:
rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living.

Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer
is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German
cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish.

- Philip

My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low
or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets

There are huge differences in Europe and it doesn't depend on a
country's GBP.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Les Cargill]

Paul Colin Gloster wrote:

On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> sent:
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: |
|> On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted: |
|> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| |
|> |"[. . .] | |
|> | | |
|> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | |
|> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | |
|> |surprised they are looking around the world. | |
|> | | |
|> |Rick" | |
|> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| |
|> |
|> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in|
|> the U.S.A. charge too much. |
|> |
| |
|If that were actually true,"
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not
located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the
U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A.

|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|" the US would have 100% unemployment. |
| |
|-- |
|Les Cargill" |
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away
from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed.

You said - and I quote ( the text is even in line above ) -

"Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people
in the U.S.A. charge too much."

Again - if that were true, then all jobs would be located away from the
US. It's clearly not true for the vast majority of people in the US.
Even with bad unemployment, labor force participation is around 64% or
so:
http://ycharts.com/indicators/labor_force_participation_rate

What matters with jobs is not cost, but marginal product - for every
unit of labor paid for, how many units* of output do you get? If the
answer is "more than 1", then you are not paying too much.

*denominated in the currency of your choice.

Baristas at our Starbucks chain make close to $10USD per hour. If Scots
or German FPGA designers are working for $10 per hour, then they
are *paid too little*. This would also be true for $20 per hour.

--
Les Cargill

 

[Les Cargill]

rickman wrote:

On 8/22/2012 3:22 AM, Philip Herzog wrote:
On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote:
rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote:
Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum.
Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year
which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not
You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living.

Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer
is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German
cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish.

- Philip

My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low
or lower than most of Europe.

This is true for very nearly all of Yurp, according to expats with whom
I have worked. It is also shown to be true by military housing
allowances.

Around a few of the major cities it gets
a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. I was in Paris once
and when I looked at the cost of a small condo I realized I could never
afford to live in the downtown.

Rick

--
Les Cargill

 

[Les Cargill]

Paul Colin Gloster wrote:

On 2012-08-22, Rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> sent:
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low|
|or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets|
|a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] |
|[. . .]" |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same.

As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals
into account?

People who are careful in purchasing health insurance in the US don't
pay all that much.

--
Les Cargill

 

[Paul Colin Gloster]

On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> sent:
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: |
|> On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted: |
|> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| |
|> |"[. . .] | |
|> | | |
|> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | |
|> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | |
|> |surprised they are looking around the world. | |
|> | | |
|> |Rick" | |
|> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| |
|> |
|> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in|
|> the U.S.A. charge too much. |
|> |
| |
|If that were actually true,"
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not
located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the
U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A.

|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|" the US would have 100% unemployment. |
| |
|-- |
|Les Cargill" |
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away
from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed.

 

[Gabor]

Paul Colin Gloster wrote:

On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent:
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter |
|working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address." |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities
which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another |
|$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses." |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not
have wasted money like that.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use |
|yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet |
|group). |
| |
|-- Gabor" |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that
competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer.

Of course Yahoo! is a corporation, but I highly doubt that this
"recruiter" is employed by Yahoo!

The OP also doesn't give a name or mailing address, and only an
e-mail address (Yahoo, hotmail, gmail is irrelevant) that any
scam artist could have cooked up this morning.

With the job market as stale as it's been lately, there have been
a large number of scams to lure people into paying for a job
placement when the "job" doesn't exist.

Since the OP has not jumped into this discussion to defend the
offer, I presume this is just such a scam.

-- Gabor

 

[Paul Colin Gloster]

On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent:
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter |
|working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address." |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities
which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another |
|$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses." |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not
have wasted money like that.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use |
|yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet |
|group). |
| |
|-- Gabor" |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that
competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer.

 

[Paul Colin Gloster]

On 2012-08-22, Rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> sent:
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low|
|or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets|
|a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] |
|[. . .]" |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same.

As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals
into account?

 

[MK]

On 22/08/2012 20:01, Gabor wrote:

Paul Colin Gloster wrote:
On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent:
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

|"[. .
.] |
|
|
|Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a
recruiter |
|working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail
address." |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|


Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities
which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

|"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and
another |
|$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5
addresses." |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|


You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not
have wasted money like that.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

|"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to
use |
|yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a
UseNet |
|group).
|
|
|
|--
Gabor" |
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|


I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that
competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer.

Of course Yahoo! is a corporation, but I highly doubt that this
"recruiter" is employed by Yahoo!

The OP also doesn't give a name or mailing address, and only an
e-mail address (Yahoo, hotmail, gmail is irrelevant) that any
scam artist could have cooked up this morning.

With the job market as stale as it's been lately, there have been
a large number of scams to lure people into paying for a job
placement when the "job" doesn't exist.

Since the OP has not jumped into this discussion to defend the
offer, I presume this is just such a scam.

-- Gabor

I actually live in Scotland (about 100 miles south of the OP's location).

The money offered is absurdly low - they are offering a 5 month
contract at the (very) bottom end of the graduate starting salary range.
I would expect an advertised rate of at least Ł30 per hour but
personally would charge (a lot) more.

If it's a scam they could at least have offered a decent rate !


Michael Kellett