Recording Audio to laptop/tape recorder

[Ian]

Win XP Home

I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group.
We occasionally have a guest spdeaker who we
would like to record for future use.

My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and
the software to suit.

Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.

Any ideas appreciated...Ian

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:18:25 +0000, Ian wrote:

Win XP Home

I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group. We occasionally have a
guest spdeaker who we would like to record for future use.

My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and the software to suit.

Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.

Any ideas appreciated...Ian

In both cases, it would be well worth investing in a decent external
microphone. Also, buy a headphones and set the recording level manually.
Automatica recording levels can pick up a pile of extraneous noise,
especially if they are a quite speaker.

The problem with a laptop are;
1) disk space. About 1G for an hour,
2) conversion to a format that people can play back (mp3?)
3) Or were you planning on converting to CD and distrubting talk that way
(probably easiest)
4) You will probably need a laptop or conversion computer with 1Gb of
ram, aka it will run significantly faster if the whole audio file can be
held in ram.
5) you might have to buy software

The problem with a tape recorder are;
1) the quality of the tape deck and tapes affect the quality of recording,

2) duplification if using cassette tapes to share the talks. I guess it
is an assumption that these people might be competent in that technology.
2) see problems of laptop if you are going to convert.

 

[Mr.T]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:18:25 +0000, Ian wrote:
I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group. We occasionally have a
guest spdeaker who we would like to record for future use.

My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and the software to suit.

A cheap laptop, cheap microphone, cheap mixer if necessary, and free
software would do the job just fine.
If you are already using sound reinforcement, you will already have
everything necessary bar the laptop or tape recorder anyway.

Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.

Depends what format you ultimately want IMO. No way would I record to tape
these days if I want a CD output. And no way would I copy or store cassettes
any more. I doubt anyone will be able to play them soon.

The problem with a laptop are;
1) disk space. About 1G for an hour,

Not a problem at all given hard disk sizes compared to maximum tape lengths!
Definitely a problem for cassette though with 60 minute per side tapes quite
fragile, and 90 minute tapes needing changing every 45 minutes if the
machine is not auto reversing (and those are mostly crap in any case)
And if you only need to record one microphone 44/16 mono works out to
350MB/Hr, double that for stereo, not 1GB. And even less if you record
direct to MP3.

2) conversion to a format that people can play back (mp3?)

How is that a problem for laptop recording? Most recorders can do it on the
fly if you want, which cuts your disk requirements even further.
And duplicating CD's is far easier than tape, with no further quality loss.

5) you might have to buy software

Plenty of free software that will do the job.

MrT.

 

[L.A.T.]

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5) you might have to buy software

Plenty of free software that will do the job.

MrT.

I find Audacity is magic. Easy to learn and use its basic features without

having to understand its advanced features.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity

 

[K Ludger]

"Ian" <cab66_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Win XP Home

I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group.
We occasionally have a guest spdeaker who we
would like to record for future use.

My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and
the software to suit.

Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.

Any ideas appreciated...Ian

What about a digital voice recorder (IIRC about $100 at harvey norman??)
perhaps with an external microphone. I think you can pull an mp3 file
directly out of them and burn it to disk later.

 

[Mr.T]

"L.A.T." <tonyt@sci.net.au> wrote in message
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I find Audacity is magic. Easy to learn and use its basic features without
having to understand its advanced features.

While I don't personally use it, Audacity would be my pick of the free
stuff.
More than adequate for the intended purpose.

MrT.

 

[David L. Jones]

"Ian" <cab66_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Win XP Home

I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group.
We occasionally have a guest spdeaker who we
would like to record for future use.

My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and
the software to suit.

Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.

Any ideas appreciated...Ian

The easiest and best quality solution is a *quality* USB microphone like
this Samson C01U:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-SAMSON-C01U-USB-CONDENSER-MICROPHONE_W0QQitemZ110354740464QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Pro_Audio?hash=item110354740464&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

It's pretty much the microphone of choice for podcasters.
Just plug into your USB port and away you go with any free recording
software. I use and like Audacity:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
But there are probably simpler ones to use for just basic recording.
Don't pay for software like this, plenty of free stuff.
Record direct to MP3 if you need to save disk space.

A microphone that costs any less than this will be pretty crap, and anything
that plugs into the "microphone" input on your computer is worse than crap.

Dave.

 

[David Segall]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

anything
that plugs into the "microphone" input on your computer is worse than crap.

Is that because there is something wrong with the microphone input on
all sound cards, there is some technical problem with making the
microphone or just because nobody actually sells one?

 

[terryc]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:36:07 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

Plenty of free software that will do the job.

Now tell him what cpu and ram he will need. That is the gotcha.

 

[David L. Jones]

"David Segall" <david@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

anything
that plugs into the "microphone" input on your computer is worse than
crap.

Is that because there is something wrong with the microphone input on
all sound cards, there is some technical problem with making the
microphone or just because nobody actually sells one?

It's because most microphone input circuits on notebook and desktop PC's are
a lousy design, designed for basic phone voice quality only. Very noisy.
Some are better than others, but in almost every case you will get a MUCH
better result using an external low noise pre-amp and the audio Line-In
port. But that's messy, the USB mic I posted is a much simpler solution, one
cable, needs no external supply, and it has a quality studio mic and pre-amp
built in.

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Ian"

I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group.
We occasionally have a guest spdeaker who we
would like to record for future use.

** Newsgroups and on-line audio forums get this dumb question regularly.

And it is always from some fuckwit with no idea what the hell they are
asking.

Recording a person addressing a meeting is NO simple matter - if you want
a good sounding result that others will be happy to listen to later or to be
used for radio broadcast.

My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and
the software to suit.

** That will not record anything.

Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.

** Useless on it own too.

What you need to actually do depends on all manner of details that YOU have
not provided.

And if you are like all the other wankers with this same, dumb question -
you never will provide them.



....... Phil

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:18:25 GMT, Ian <cab66_@hotmail.com> wrote:

:Win XP Home
:
:I am a member of a Parkinsons Support Group.
:We occasionally have a guest spdeaker who we
:would like to record for future use.
:
:My idea is to use a laptop, at the right price and
:the software to suit.
:
:Another alternative put forward was use a tape recorder.
:
:Any ideas appreciated...Ian


As Phil has said, recording speeches in a public forum is not a simple thing to
do. And particularly so if you want the recording to be fairly professional and
used as a future training reference.

You can read what others have to say on the subject.
http://www.questiontools.org/newsrecordingspeech.html (first sentence in summary
says it all)

http://www.alexsbrown.com/record-equip-speakers.html
http://www.spectrum.uni-bielefeld.de/~gibbon/gibbon_handbook_1997/node124.html

 

[Mr.T]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Now tell him what cpu and ram he will need. That is the gotcha.

No "gotcha" at all. Almost any computer made in the last 5-10 years can
record CD quality audio with a suitable sound card or adapter.
I had no problem years ago with a Celeron 300MHz and 128MB of RAM. Such
computers can be had for *nothing* at the tip these days
Just what do you *think* is necessary, and why?

MrT.

 

[terryc]

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:15:25 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Now tell him what cpu and ram he will need. That is the gotcha.

No "gotcha" at all. Almost any computer made in the last 5-10 years can
record CD quality audio with a suitable sound card or adapter. I had no
problem years ago with a Celeron 300MHz and 128MB of RAM. Such computers
can be had for *nothing* at the tip these days Just what do you
*think* is necessary, and why?

So how long a recording have you made and edited with this 300Mhz/128Mb
of ram computer?

 

[David L. Jones]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:15:25 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:49a94325$0$36389$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...
Now tell him what cpu and ram he will need. That is the gotcha.

No "gotcha" at all. Almost any computer made in the last 5-10 years can
record CD quality audio with a suitable sound card or adapter. I had no
problem years ago with a Celeron 300MHz and 128MB of RAM. Such computers
can be had for *nothing* at the tip these days Just what do you
*think* is necessary, and why?

So how long a recording have you made and edited with this 300Mhz/128Mb
of ram computer?

Any decent sound recorder/editor software (like Audacity) will record direct
to disk and is only limited by your hard drive size.
16bit 44K raw mono recording of a single mic would only be about 5MB/minute.

See:
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recording_length

Older versions of Audacity have a 13.5hour recording limit.

If for some reason you have problems editing the single recording, it's
trivial to split it up and work on smaller pieces seperately.

So Mt.T is right, there is no "gotcha". Any old machine you can get for free
can easily record and edit almost any length of high quality audio.
Heck, I've even edited hours of full PAL *video* on an old ($50 years ago)
800MHz celeron.

Dave.

 

[terryc]

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:41:31 +1100, David L. Jones wrote:

If for some reason you have problems editing the single recording, it's
trivial to split it up and work on smaller pieces seperately.

so, what do you use to split it?

 

[David L. Jones]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:41:31 +1100, David L. Jones wrote:

If for some reason you have problems editing the single recording, it's
trivial to split it up and work on smaller pieces seperately.

so, what do you use to split it?

I've rarely had to do it, but Audacity does it without any problem, and so
should any other decent recoding/edit program:
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Splitting_recordings_into_separate_tracks
or type "audio file splitter" or whatever into Google for countless free
tools that will also do it.

This is really basic stuff, what archaic tool have you been using?

Dave.

 

[terryc]

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:59:23 +1100, David L. Jones wrote:

This is really basic stuff, what archaic tool have you been using?

audacity.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Ross Herbert"

As Phil has said, recording speeches in a public forum is not a simple
thing to
do. And particularly so if you want the recording to be fairly
professional and
used as a future training reference.

You can read what others have to say on the subject.
http://www.questiontools.org/newsrecordingspeech.html (first sentence in
summary
says it all)

** Here it is:

Summary
Recording speech to a professional standard is difficult. Now you have read
this article you will probably begin to appreciate why. You might think that
recording musical instruments is even more difficult. As it happens, the
reverse is true. Most experienced studio engineers will tell you that
recording a brass section, a string ensemble or a guitar played through an
amplifier at full volume can be much easier than recording speech.



....... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:59:23 +1100, David L. Jones wrote:


This is really basic stuff, what archaic tool have you been using?

audacity.

Ah, PEBKAC then.

Dave.