Ray-49e VHF receiver not receiving

Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-4, 6dinopao...@gmail.com wrote:

Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks

These?

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/M50FW-Ceramic-Filter-Walkie-talkie-electrical-filter-parts-for-KENWOOD-ICOM-HYT-BAOFENG-interphone-two-way/617780_979023900.html


Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[N_Cook]

On 24/10/2016 14:39, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:

Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks

Any coloured dots on them?
Coincidence I just replaced a 10.7M one this afternoon, as easier than
hooking up an RF oscillator to test if failed FM receiver. Unfortunately
not the silver migration, ohmic problem ,something else around an LA1186
FM front end, all DC are correct by the schematic.

 

[Michael Black]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:

Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks

Why think the ceramic filters are bad?

Inject a signal into that IF, see if it gets past the filters. To double
check, inject after the filters.

Assuming it's old enough to use crystals, why not wonder if the local
oscillator crystal (or any second conversion crystal, if there is one) is
bad or not oscillating? Have you even checked to make sure there is a
crystal for the first oscillator in the receiver?

Michael

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:39:51 +0200, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:

Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks

Yep. Junk ceramic filters are an all too common problem. I saw an
ICOM IC-M411 marine radio with an identical filter problem. It was
fixed under the warranty, so I didn't a chance to play with it.
<http://sv8ym.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/mysterious-case-of-withering-filters.html>
I'm not sure what caused the problem but as I recall, it happened very
quickly after the initial OOB (out of box) experience. Everything was
fine for a few days, then nothing. Sound familiar?

The filter is extremely common and you should have no trouble finding
one:
<https://www.google.com/#q=M50FW+filter>
Maybe stock up? 20 pcs for $20:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/200974082569>


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 12:16:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:39:51 +0200, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:

Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks

Yep. Junk ceramic filters are an all too common problem. I saw an
ICOM IC-M411 marine radio with an identical filter problem. It was
fixed under the warranty, so I didn't a chance to play with it.
http://sv8ym.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/mysterious-case-of-withering-filters.html
I'm not sure what caused the problem but as I recall, it happened very
quickly after the initial OOB (out of box) experience. Everything was
fine for a few days, then nothing. Sound familiar?

The filter is extremely common and you should have no trouble finding
one:
https://www.google.com/#q=M50FW+filter
Maybe stock up? 20 pcs for $20:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200974082569

Jeff,
while de soldering one of them, the case fall apart and find green
sign of oxidation inside, as described in the above link.

This is a sort of blind repair (no schematic and no RF equipment).

Is the LTM 450DW a correct replacement?
Dino

 

[N_Cook]

On 24/10/2016 16:33, N_Cook wrote:

On 24/10/2016 14:39, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:
Nautical VHF radio from Raymarine type 49e, Tx ok but no Rx.
Understand a possible cause might be linked to bad ceramic filters
I've located two ceramic filters marked "CQ M50FW".
Need help to find any information for replacement, as manufacturer,
data sheet, possible replacements type, etc.
Thanks


Any coloured dots on them?
Coincidence I just replaced a 10.7M one this afternoon, as easier than
hooking up an RF oscillator to test if failed FM receiver. Unfortunately
not the silver migration, ohmic problem ,something else around an LA1186
FM front end, all DC are correct by the schematic.

In my case it was failed 20 yearold solder at one of those large wire
1.5 turn air cored inductors, presumably from heatsinking of the
original PbSn soldering

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 08:51:23 +0200, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:

http://sv8ym.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/mysterious-case-of-withering-filters.html

https://www.google.com/#q=M50FW+filter
Maybe stock up? 20 pcs for $20:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200974082569

while de soldering one of them, the case fall apart and find green
sign of oxidation inside, as described in the above link.

The Icom radio I saw did not show any signs of corrosion. However,
the cover was loose and wiggling it caused the signal to rise and fall
dramatically.

>This is a sort of blind repair (no schematic and no RF equipment).

The Raymarine RAY49E is a fairly new product and should still be under
warranty. Have you checked?

Sorry, I couldn't find any schematics.

>Is the LTM 450DW a correct replacement?

I think it's the same part. Finding specs on the filter has not been
very productive, so I can't compare data sheets.
<https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20PCS-Radio-communication-machines-ceramic-filters-455KHZ-LTM455GW-5-feet-2-3-ceramic-crystal-5P/32357096260.html>

I provided an eBay part that looks like an exact replacement:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/200974082569>
Note that the listing shows that it's used in a wide variety of low
end radios. Good enough methinks.

More:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/261283232312>
<http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/m50fw+filter.html>

The only problem is that there's no guarantee that the replacement
part will be any better quality than the original. You might want to
buy one or two from different vendors.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 13:33:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 08:51:23 +0200, 6dinopaoloREMOVE@gmail.com wrote:

http://sv8ym.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/mysterious-case-of-withering-filters.html

https://www.google.com/#q=M50FW+filter
Maybe stock up? 20 pcs for $20:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200974082569


while de soldering one of them, the case fall apart and find green
sign of oxidation inside, as described in the above link.

The Icom radio I saw did not show any signs of corrosion. However,
the cover was loose and wiggling it caused the signal to rise and fall
dramatically.

This is a sort of blind repair (no schematic and no RF equipment).

The Raymarine RAY49E is a fairly new product and should still be under
warranty. Have you checked?

Sorry, I couldn't find any schematics.

Is the LTM 450DW a correct replacement?

I think it's the same part. Finding specs on the filter has not been
very productive, so I can't compare data sheets.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20PCS-Radio-communication-machines-ceramic-filters-455KHZ-LTM455GW-5-feet-2-3-ceramic-crystal-5P/32357096260.html

I provided an eBay part that looks like an exact replacement:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200974082569
Note that the listing shows that it's used in a wide variety of low
end radios. Good enough methinks.

More:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261283232312
http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/m50fw+filter.html

The only problem is that there's no guarantee that the replacement
part will be any better quality than the original. You might want to
buy one or two from different vendors.

I'll follows your suggestion to source parts from different supplier.
Ciao, Dino