RadioFrequency Identification RFID

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José Ricardo García Olivo

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mailto:ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx
Hello, I´m looking for information about Radiofrequency identification
systems, equipment and development. I am mostly interested in systems
used in Electronic Toll Collection used in highways. I would like to
implement something like that for monitoring vehicles within a city.

Thenks in advance

Ricardo García
ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx
 
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:01:57 -0600, José Ricardo García Olivo
<ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx> wrote:

mailto:ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx
Hello, I´m looking for information about Radiofrequency identification
systems, equipment and development. I am mostly interested in systems
used in Electronic Toll Collection used in highways. I would like to
implement something like that for monitoring vehicles within a city.

Thenks in advance

Ricardo García
ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx
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Charlie Edmondson probably can intervene here and tell us a lot about
toll roads ;-)

Keep in mind that most RFID systems have pretty short range: "Best
case on discrete tag was about 22 feet... limited by FCC and ambient
noise" as reported by one of my clients when I inquired about range.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:01:57 -0600, José Ricardo García Olivo
ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx> wrote:


mailto:ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx
Hello, I´m looking for information about Radiofrequency identification
systems, equipment and development. I am mostly interested in systems
used in Electronic Toll Collection used in highways. I would like to
implement something like that for monitoring vehicles within a city.

Thenks in advance

Ricardo García
ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx


Charlie Edmondson probably can intervene here and tell us a lot about
toll roads ;-)

Keep in mind that most RFID systems have pretty short range: "Best
case on discrete tag was about 22 feet... limited by FCC and ambient
noise" as reported by one of my clients when I inquired about range.

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...
Well I live in Mexico and plan to implement it in Mexico city´s streets,
so I think I have to do some research in regulations also. Thank you,

Would you happen to know any source where I could get some more
technical information?

:) I{m sorry but I don´t really know who Charlie Edmonson is, JAJAJA
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:50:20 -0600, José Ricardo García Olivo
<ricardogarcia@ava.com.mx> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Charlie Edmondson probably can intervene here and tell us a lot about
toll roads ;-)

Keep in mind that most RFID systems have pretty short range: "Best
case on discrete tag was about 22 feet... limited by FCC and ambient
noise" as reported by one of my clients when I inquired about range.

...Jim Thompson

Well I live in Mexico and plan to implement it in Mexico city´s streets,
so I think I have to do some research in regulations also. Thank you,

Would you happen to know any source where I could get some more
technical information?

:) I{m sorry but I don´t really know who Charlie Edmonson is, JAJAJA
Click to expand...
Charlie is a lurker here and a Cadence/PSpice support person, but also
is a designer who created some of the features of southern
California's toll roads ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
José Ricardo García Olivo wrote:

I am mostly interested in systems
used in Electronic Toll Collection used in highways. I would like to
implement something like that for monitoring vehicles within a city.

Well I live in Mexico and plan to implement it in Mexico city´s streets,
so I think I have to do some research in regulations also.
Click to expand...
Are you planning on installing new transponders for this application?
If so, who would pay for it and why? If it is a use in which the driver
is somehow penalized for being sensed, you would encourage the drivers
to defeat the system. If, on the other hand, it gave the driver better
service in some way, it might be easily accepted.

I am not familiar with Mexican laws, but if you are going to piggyback
off existing transponders, there may be some legal issues there using it
for different purposes. Privacy invasion may also be a legal or social
deterrent.

Thad
 
José Ricardo García Olivo wrote:


I am mostly interested in systems
used in Electronic Toll Collection used in highways. I would like to
implement something like that for monitoring vehicles within a city.


Well I live in Mexico and plan to implement it in Mexico city´s streets,
so I think I have to do some research in regulations also.


Are you planning on installing new transponders for this application?
If so, who would pay for it and why? If it is a use in which the driver
is somehow penalized for being sensed, you would encourage the drivers
to defeat the system. If, on the other hand, it gave the driver better
service in some way, it might be easily accepted.

I am not familiar with Mexican laws, but if you are going to piggyback
off existing transponders, there may be some legal issues there using it
for different purposes. Privacy invasion may also be a legal or social
deterrent.

Thad
Click to expand...
Well, I believe everything would be new, because there is nothing
installed in the streets of our cities. Still I have to do a lot of
research about the technology and equipment needed to implment the
system, which I´ll describe in the next lines so you get a better idea
and maybe help me a little bit more. For example I´m not sure what is to
piggiback off existing transponders or how to do it.

In mexico cities like any city around the world we have a lot of public
urban transportation mostly buses, they move around the city and stop in
some specific places so that a person annotates in a piece of paper the
hour:minute they went through so that their drivers performance is
evaluated and the position of the bus "monitored". They have to go
through this "stops" and they want to, so it´s a good service for the
driver, and the owner of the vehicles.

So, my hypotesis is that a monitoring system, based on RFID could
substitute this person and also give a plus like being able to
communicate with the rest of the system and integrate the data into a
database so that everything can be seen from the administrative or
supervising staff´s computer system.

I don´t know if this is too expensive or impossible to implement but
I´ve to learn, try and see what comes from this idea.

Thank you,

Ricardo Garcia
 
José Ricardo García Olivo wrote:
Well, I believe everything would be new, because there is nothing
installed in the streets of our cities. Still I have to do a lot of
research about the technology and equipment needed to implment the
system, which I´ll describe in the next lines so you get a better idea
and maybe help me a little bit more. For example I´m not sure what is to
piggiback off existing transponders or how to do it.

In mexico cities like any city around the world we have a lot of public
urban transportation mostly buses, they move around the city and stop in
some specific places so that a person annotates in a piece of paper the
hour:minute they went through so that their drivers performance is
evaluated and the position of the bus "monitored". They have to go
through this "stops" and they want to, so it´s a good service for the
driver, and the owner of the vehicles.

So, my hypotesis is that a monitoring system, based on RFID could
substitute this person and also give a plus like being able to
communicate with the rest of the system and integrate the data into a
database so that everything can be seen from the administrative or
supervising staff´s computer system.

I don´t know if this is too expensive or impossible to implement but
I´ve to learn, try and see what comes from this idea.

Thank you,

Ricardo Garcia
Click to expand...
A GPS recevier and a data logger would be more effective. You don't
have to worry about something going wrong with equipment located at each
stop, it can track the exact route, and give the time an location for
every stop, not just at the bus stops. It not only keeps the driver on
schedule as much as possible, but if you archive the data, it might help
in a lawsuit against a fraudulent claim.
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:27:45 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

José Ricardo García Olivo wrote:

Well, I believe everything would be new, because there is nothing
installed in the streets of our cities. Still I have to do a lot of
research about the technology and equipment needed to implment the
system, which I´ll describe in the next lines so you get a better idea
and maybe help me a little bit more. For example I´m not sure what is to
piggiback off existing transponders or how to do it.

In mexico cities like any city around the world we have a lot of public
urban transportation mostly buses, they move around the city and stop in
some specific places so that a person annotates in a piece of paper the
hour:minute they went through so that their drivers performance is
evaluated and the position of the bus "monitored". They have to go
through this "stops" and they want to, so it´s a good service for the
driver, and the owner of the vehicles.

So, my hypotesis is that a monitoring system, based on RFID could
substitute this person and also give a plus like being able to
communicate with the rest of the system and integrate the data into a
database so that everything can be seen from the administrative or
supervising staff´s computer system.

I don´t know if this is too expensive or impossible to implement but
I´ve to learn, try and see what comes from this idea.

Thank you,

Ricardo Garcia

A GPS recevier and a data logger would be more effective. You don't
have to worry about something going wrong with equipment located at each
stop, it can track the exact route, and give the time an location for
every stop, not just at the bus stops. It not only keeps the driver on
schedule as much as possible, but if you archive the data, it might help
in a lawsuit against a fraudulent claim.
Click to expand...
Reminds me that my son worked on software for a
commercial-truck-tracking project where GPS plus a two-way pager were
used to report locations. No RFID required, and trivial to install.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
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