Questions about surge protector for TV

[Ted S.]

My grandmother purchased an expensive Sony TV (36 inch, I think) and is
interested in a surge protector.

I see the following on sale for $8.00. Do you think this will provide the
protection (mostly from thunderstorms) she needs?

Also, I see them listed as "for appliances" and "for computers". What's the
difference and would either be OK for a TV?

One more question. I see an Energizer 450VA battery backup for $10. Would
THIS work as well for her?

Thanks!


Belkin 3-Outlet Wall Mount Home Series
Part # F9H320-CW

The Home Series offers wall mount-direct, plug-in surge protection for your
entry-level desktop computers, notebooks, peripherals, phone/fax/modem,
kitchen appliances, standard household electronics, and more. Perfect for
use during business or personal trips. This model boasts 1045 Joules, 45,000
Maximum Spike Amperage, 3-outlets, and a lifetime $50,000 Connected
Equipment Warranty.

Advantages
.. Lifetime $50,000 Connected Equipment Warranty to give you peace of mind
.. 1045 Joule energy rating provides maximum protection of all your sensitive
electronic devices
.. 3 Surge-protected outlets supply complete, 3-line AC protection
.. Solid-state protection safeguards your
.. Built-in-phone line splitter
.. Illuminated LEDs indicate your devices are ground and protected
.. Filters EMI/RFI noise up to 43 dB reduction
.. Maximum Spike Amperage of 45,000 Amps
.. Model plugs directly into the wall to avoid cord problems

 

[w_tom]

There are effective solutions. But there are also surge
protectors that forget to mention they don't protect from the
type of surge that does damage. Concepts are summarized in
"Opinions on Surge Protectors?" on 7 Jul 2003 in the
newsgroup alt.certification.a-plus or
http://tinyurl.com/l3m9


"Ted S." wrote:

My grandmother purchased an expensive Sony TV (36 inch, I think)
and is interested in a surge protector.

I see the following on sale for $8.00. Do you think this will
provide the protection (mostly from thunderstorms) she needs?
...

 

[Jerry G.]

Your TV set more than meets the standards of the EC, FCC, UK, UL, and
CRTC standards world wide for electrical specifications. These surge
protectors, even though they don't hurt anything, are a mickey-mouse or
low grade protection. They can write anything they want on it as for
their policy, but try to collect. You would have to prove that the
cause of your burnup was from the surge protector and not from something
else. These contracts are very tricky to prove, and to collect on.

If you have damage that passed through one of these el-cheapo
protectors, I can imagine taking one of these manufactures from Taiwan
or China to court over a blown TV or computer. The lawyer's fees and
extradition costs alone would be able to buy you a dozen new sets and
computers just to start with! Not only that, you would have enough
change left over to probably buy a new car!!!

A true protection is a real "true" UPS system. This would cost more
than the cost of the TV set. You would require a 600 to 800 Watt rated
unit at the very minimum for your set, because of the start-up surge. I
have even seen a true UPS being damaged from an electrical surge from a
lightning storm. A true UPS is good on a computer where you have very
valuable data and backup systems to protect as best as possible, and
must be constantly accessible.

Your TV set has surge and noise protection in the mains input section of
the power supply. The one inside of the set is of better design than
the ones in any of these $10 to $20 AC bars.

I think you should take that money for the AC bar, and buy a good DVD to
watch on this terrific TV set!

Consumer TV sets have a lifespan of about 30,000 to 40,000 hours. After
that, the CRT starts to generally show signs of weakness, and various
components can start to wear out. Under normal home use, these sets can
give very good performance for about 8 to 12 years. By then, with all
the changes that are happening in the industry, you will want a new set!



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WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com
==============================================


"Ted S." <tswirsky@SPAMNOT.screaminet.com> wrote in message
news:biqmh801p8j@enews3.newsguy.com...
My grandmother purchased an expensive Sony TV (36 inch, I think) and is
interested in a surge protector.

I see the following on sale for $8.00. Do you think this will provide
the
protection (mostly from thunderstorms) she needs?

Also, I see them listed as "for appliances" and "for computers". What's
the
difference and would either be OK for a TV?

One more question. I see an Energizer 450VA battery backup for $10.
Would
THIS work as well for her?

Thanks!


Belkin 3-Outlet Wall Mount Home Series
Part # F9H320-CW

The Home Series offers wall mount-direct, plug-in surge protection for
your
entry-level desktop computers, notebooks, peripherals, phone/fax/modem,
kitchen appliances, standard household electronics, and more. Perfect
for
use during business or personal trips. This model boasts 1045 Joules,
45,000
Maximum Spike Amperage, 3-outlets, and a lifetime $50,000 Connected
Equipment Warranty.

Advantages
.. Lifetime $50,000 Connected Equipment Warranty to give you peace of
mind
.. 1045 Joule energy rating provides maximum protection of all your
sensitive
electronic devices
.. 3 Surge-protected outlets supply complete, 3-line AC protection
.. Solid-state protection safeguards your
.. Built-in-phone line splitter
.. Illuminated LEDs indicate your devices are ground and protected
.. Filters EMI/RFI noise up to 43 dB reduction
.. Maximum Spike Amperage of 45,000 Amps
.. Model plugs directly into the wall to avoid cord problems

 

[w_tom]

The TV does have good internal protection. However that
protection assumes the big incoming surge is earthed before it
can enter a building. Same concept with a dike around the
town. It too does a good job of protection. But if there is
no downstream path for the flood, then the dike is easily
overwhelmed.

Plug-in (adjacent) surge protector are mickey-mouse. They
are not connected less than 10 feet to earth ground. They
provide no downstream path for the flood. They are sold
because too many use word association - assume surge protector
and surge protection are same.

Effective surge protector make the essential, 'less than 10
foot' connection to earth. Therefore the surge (or flood) has
a downstream path. Protection inside the TV is not
overwhelmed.

There are ineffective plug-in protectors that don't even
claim protection from the typically destructive type of
surge. AND there are 'whole house' protectors that earth a
surge, to a central earth ground, before that surge can even
enter the building.

In the TV case, the cable wire does not even need a 'whole
house' protector. It is already connected to central earth
ground - as required by code AND if the cable installer
properly installed that cable. The one utility wire that is
1) most often struck because it is highest, 2) has no
effective surge protector, and 3) connects to most every
electronic appliance is AC electric.

This incoming utility more requires a 'whole house'
protector. Such protector is really quite cheap - about $1
per protected appliance. Visit Home Depot for minimally sized
models - Intermatic EG240RC or IG1240RC or Siemens QSA2020.
You tell us how expensive this protector really is (hint -
less than $50).

TV does meet all those standards. But those standards
assume the incoming utilities make an earth ground connection
either by direct hardwire (CATV) or via a 'whole house'
protector (AC electric). Since most homeowners are missing
such protection, then they suffer unacceptable damage. Most
don't even know that a surge protector is only as effective as
its earth ground.

"Jerry G." wrote:

Your TV set more than meets the standards of the EC, FCC, UK, UL, and
CRTC standards world wide for electrical specifications. These surge
protectors, even though they don't hurt anything, are a mickey-mouse or
low grade protection. They can write anything they want on it as for
their policy, but try to collect. You would have to prove that the
cause of your burnup was from the surge protector and not from something
else. These contracts are very tricky to prove, and to collect on.

If you have damage that passed through one of these el-cheapo
protectors, I can imagine taking one of these manufactures from Taiwan
or China to court over a blown TV or computer. The lawyer's fees and
extradition costs alone would be able to buy you a dozen new sets and
computers just to start with! Not only that, you would have enough
change left over to probably buy a new car!!!

A true protection is a real "true" UPS system. This would cost more
than the cost of the TV set. You would require a 600 to 800 Watt rated
unit at the very minimum for your set, because of the start-up surge. I
have even seen a true UPS being damaged from an electrical surge from a
lightning storm. A true UPS is good on a computer where you have very
valuable data and backup systems to protect as best as possible, and
must be constantly accessible.

Your TV set has surge and noise protection in the mains input section of
the power supply. The one inside of the set is of better design than
the ones in any of these $10 to $20 AC bars.

I think you should take that money for the AC bar, and buy a good DVD to
watch on this terrific TV set!

Consumer TV sets have a lifespan of about 30,000 to 40,000 hours. After
that, the CRT starts to generally show signs of weakness, and various
components can start to wear out. Under normal home use, these sets can
give very good performance for about 8 to 12 years. By then, with all
the changes that are happening in the industry, you will want a new set!

--

Greetings,

Jerry Greenberg
==============================================
WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com
==============================================

"Ted S." <tswirsky@SPAMNOT.screaminet.com> wrote in message
news:biqmh801p8j@enews3.newsguy.com...
My grandmother purchased an expensive Sony TV (36 inch, I think) and is
interested in a surge protector.

I see the following on sale for $8.00. Do you think this will provide
the
protection (mostly from thunderstorms) she needs?

Also, I see them listed as "for appliances" and "for computers". What's
the
difference and would either be OK for a TV?

One more question. I see an Energizer 450VA battery backup for $10.
Would
THIS work as well for her?

Thanks!

Belkin 3-Outlet Wall Mount Home Series
Part # F9H320-CW

The Home Series offers wall mount-direct, plug-in surge protection for
your
entry-level desktop computers, notebooks, peripherals, phone/fax/modem,
kitchen appliances, standard household electronics, and more. Perfect
for
use during business or personal trips. This model boasts 1045 Joules,
45,000
Maximum Spike Amperage, 3-outlets, and a lifetime $50,000 Connected
Equipment Warranty.

Advantages
. Lifetime $50,000 Connected Equipment Warranty to give you peace of
mind
. 1045 Joule energy rating provides maximum protection of all your
sensitive
electronic devices
. 3 Surge-protected outlets supply complete, 3-line AC protection
. Solid-state protection safeguards your
. Built-in-phone line splitter
. Illuminated LEDs indicate your devices are ground and protected
. Filters EMI/RFI noise up to 43 dB reduction
. Maximum Spike Amperage of 45,000 Amps
. Model plugs directly into the wall to avoid cord problems

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <bivhk3$43i$2@news.eusc.inter.net>, jerryg@total.net
mentioned...

Your TV set more than meets the standards of the EC, FCC, UK, UL, and
CRTC standards world wide for electrical specifications. These surge
protectors, even though they don't hurt anything, are a mickey-mouse or
low grade protection. They can write anything they want on it as for
their policy, but try to collect. You would have to prove that the
cause of your burnup was from the surge protector and not from something
else. These contracts are very tricky to prove, and to collect on.

If you have damage that passed through one of these el-cheapo
protectors, I can imagine taking one of these manufactures from Taiwan
or China to court over a blown TV or computer. The lawyer's fees and
extradition costs alone would be able to buy you a dozen new sets and
computers just to start with! Not only that, you would have enough
change left over to probably buy a new car!!!

A true protection is a real "true" UPS system. This would cost more
than the cost of the TV set. You would require a 600 to 800 Watt rated
unit at the very minimum for your set, because of the start-up surge. I
have even seen a true UPS being damaged from an electrical surge from a
lightning storm. A true UPS is good on a computer where you have very
valuable data and backup systems to protect as best as possible, and
must be constantly accessible.

Your TV set has surge and noise protection in the mains input section of
the power supply. The one inside of the set is of better design than
the ones in any of these $10 to $20 AC bars.

I think you should take that money for the AC bar, and buy a good DVD to
watch on this terrific TV set!

Consumer TV sets have a lifespan of about 30,000 to 40,000 hours. After
that, the CRT starts to generally show signs of weakness, and various
components can start to wear out. Under normal home use, these sets can
give very good performance for about 8 to 12 years. By then, with all
the changes that are happening in the industry, you will want a new set!

I agree with your surge suppressor assessment. They're nearly
worthless. And the worst part about it is that the price is
absolutely no indication of the quality. The SOBs at the TV sales
shops toss in "An $89.95 top-of-the-line surge suppressor, but we'll
let you steal it for only $49.95." But they paid only $5 for this
impressive looking piece of plastic, if that much, so they gouge you
for another $45 bucks on your purchase. And it's a piece of junk. If
you balk, then they won't allow you to purchase the 2 year extended
warranty, which is another incredibly lucrative sale for the salesman,
almost pure profit. It's almost as lucrative as rebates. Like he
said above, the appliance will last for 5 or so years of use, and that
second (or third) year of the extended warranty is seldom needed. So
the salesman pockets $40 or $50 pure profit. You might notice that
the warranty on the surge suppressor excludes a lot of things that
would probably be the cause of failure. Nice. Real nice.

I've got an old RCA TV from the mid '80s, and it's still plugging
along. Never had the back off it, just use it mostly in the evenings.
It hasn't got the brightnmess it used to have, but it's okay, long as
I wipe the dust off the CRT face every once in a while. I must've
surpassed the 40,000 hour mark long ago. Even the original remote
control still works. I can just barely read "Colortrak" on it, the
plastic is worn so bad. I guess I got my money's worth out of it.
)


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