Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is

One of my favorite parts suppliers has informed me as of my last order that I am paying $6.49 tariffs.

I figure if my whoever pays my clients have the money and they can pay me that beats the alternative.

It was less than 10%. Geez.

I read engineers who build high end audio amps bitch about it. Oh dear the cost of the steel for the chassis is 15% higher. Look you are as close to a scam artist as it gets without wearing it. You take a hundred bucks worth of parts and sell it for three grand. Maybe I should give you something to cry about.

So many people wiling to pay taxes. "Hey we drive on the roads don't we ?". But when it comes to a tariff they are up in arms, and it is something more beneficial than any tax.

If you want to be a liberal and get political then when you get a design done along with the BOM put "YOU PAY $XX IN TARIFFS PER UNIT, DON'T YOU JUST HATE TRUMP ?". See how that works out forya.

Like I'm EVENTUALLY going to build some high end amps. Two grand. At that point I don't care if the tariffs are a hundred bucks, even MAYBE two. The margin is there, fuck it.

And tariffs (like speed traps lol) are not meant to bring in revenue. I wouldn't call it social engineering as easily as the US tax code but it is intended to manipulate the market.

And tariffs are not necessarily permanent. They're only needed until our domestic industry gets up a little more steam so to speak.

And China, normally handles these affair quire competently really missed this one. They may have been able to just tell Trump "Tell you what, instead of tariffs here and there and all that, how about we just put our prices in line with your domestic sources if you gotem ? We'll agree not to undercut their prices by more than X% alright ?". Might not have worked but if anything could be agreed upon then China would be getting the money. I am sure the media would have reported if any such thing happened.

Another thing I like is Australians bitching about the steel tariffs. They say it is going to hurt OUR economy when they fact is it hurts THEIR economy. Was everybody in this country born fucking yesterday ? They say we're going down the tubes. Oh yeah ? that's not what I see. What I see is a bunch of vultures circling our carcass which has just gotten back up and stated kicking ass.

We are no longer carrion and I don't care what any engineer savant says no matter how many letters after his name.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/26/19 3:41 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

One of my favorite parts suppliers has informed me as of my last order that I am paying $6.49 tariffs.

I figure if my whoever pays my clients have the money and they can pay me that beats the alternative.

It was less than 10%. Geez.

I read engineers who build high end audio amps bitch about it. Oh dear the cost of the steel for the chassis is 15% higher. Look you are as close to a scam artist as it gets without wearing it. You take a hundred bucks worth of parts and sell it for three grand. Maybe I should give you something to cry about.

So many people wiling to pay taxes. "Hey we drive on the roads don't we ?". But when it comes to a tariff they are up in arms, and it is something more beneficial than any tax.

If you want to be a liberal and get political then when you get a design done along with the BOM put "YOU PAY $XX IN TARIFFS PER UNIT, DON'T YOU JUST HATE TRUMP ?". See how that works out forya.

Like I'm EVENTUALLY going to build some high end amps. Two grand. At that point I don't care if the tariffs are a hundred bucks, even MAYBE two. The margin is there, fuck it.

And tariffs (like speed traps lol) are not meant to bring in revenue. I wouldn't call it social engineering as easily as the US tax code but it is intended to manipulate the market.

And tariffs are not necessarily permanent. They're only needed until our domestic industry gets up a little more steam so to speak.

And China, normally handles these affair quire competently really missed this one. They may have been able to just tell Trump "Tell you what, instead of tariffs here and there and all that, how about we just put our prices in line with your domestic sources if you gotem ? We'll agree not to undercut their prices by more than X% alright ?". Might not have worked but if anything could be agreed upon then China would be getting the money. I am sure the media would have reported if any such thing happened.

Another thing I like is Australians bitching about the steel tariffs. They say it is going to hurt OUR economy when they fact is it hurts THEIR economy. Was everybody in this country born fucking yesterday ? They say we're going down the tubes. Oh yeah ? that's not what I see. What I see is a bunch of vultures circling our carcass which has just gotten back up and stated kicking ass.

We are no longer carrion and I don't care what any engineer savant says no matter how many letters after his name.

If you want to get into the "vintage audio" market segment I'd recommend
going in from the recording/audio production side, rather than the
HiFi/audiophile side.

It's a larger market segment that tends to be somewhat more sane. Not by
a lot, but somewhat.

The best way to become a big name in HiFi is probably to make one of the
other big names have a little "accident." You can forget about ever
getting popular by making a quality product at a fair price, though.

 

[Robert Baer]

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

One of my favorite parts suppliers has informed me as of my last order that I am paying $6.49 tariffs.

I figure if my whoever pays my clients have the money and they can pay me that beats the alternative.

It was less than 10%. Geez.

I read engineers who build high end audio amps bitch about it. Oh dear the cost of the steel for the chassis is 15% higher. Look you are as close to a scam artist as it gets without wearing it. You take a hundred bucks worth of parts and sell it for three grand. Maybe I should give you something to cry about.

So many people wiling to pay taxes. "Hey we drive on the roads don't we ?". But when it comes to a tariff they are up in arms, and it is something more beneficial than any tax.

If you want to be a liberal and get political then when you get a design done along with the BOM put "YOU PAY $XX IN TARIFFS PER UNIT, DON'T YOU JUST HATE TRUMP ?". See how that works out forya.

Like I'm EVENTUALLY going to build some high end amps. Two grand. At that point I don't care if the tariffs are a hundred bucks, even MAYBE two. The margin is there, fuck it.

And tariffs (like speed traps lol) are not meant to bring in revenue. I wouldn't call it social engineering as easily as the US tax code but it is intended to manipulate the market.

And tariffs are not necessarily permanent. They're only needed until our domestic industry gets up a little more steam so to speak.

And China, normally handles these affair quire competently really missed this one. They may have been able to just tell Trump "Tell you what, instead of tariffs here and there and all that, how about we just put our prices in line with your domestic sources if you gotem ? We'll agree not to undercut their prices by more than X% alright ?". Might not have worked but if anything could be agreed upon then China would be getting the money. I am sure the media would have reported if any such thing happened.

Another thing I like is Australians bitching about the steel tariffs. They say it is going to hurt OUR economy when they fact is it hurts THEIR economy. Was everybody in this country born fucking yesterday ? They say we're going down the tubes. Oh yeah ? that's not what I see. What I see is a bunch of vultures circling our carcass which has just gotten back up and stated kicking ass.

We are no longer carrion and I don't care what any engineer savant says no matter how many letters after his name.

Tariff..I see 2 ways:
1) WE tack on $ and the poor buyer here pays it.
Glorified sales tax. Other than that, zero sum game.
Original seller has larger markup, hard time selling.

2) We charge the original seller the $, the poor buyer here still pays it.
We make $ on the deal. All else looks same as before.
Original seller still has larger markup, hard time selling.

 

Tariff..I see 2 ways:
1) WE tack on $ and the poor buyer here pays it.

Poor ? Say you make a hundred grand a year, it really isn't all that hard. The people who pay you do not care about $6.49, but of course it is more.

Glorified sales tax. Other than that, zero sum game.
Original seller has larger markup, hard time selling.

A tariff is sort of a targeted tax. That's why they're not called taxes. Oh OK, sometimes the call them duties or excise taxes, but this is to help our economy by making changes to the system which will make the rich people do certain thing.

Taxes work. Way it was backwhen the tax on anything over $100,000 in a year was taxed at 90%. What happened ? People who made that kind of money started buying things, investing and all that shit because the money was near an anathema. Although it did collect much more interest back then.

>Original seller still has larger markup, hard time selling.

Sure. But now think, you got retirement investments ? Do you let your money "work" for you ? Well money never works but th fact is if we got this shit straight your retirement would be shit.

I don't care if it is your Grampa, is he is collecting and not earning that is that. Half of the retired people in this country are dependent on that stock market and other securities.

They are old, they helped build this country. How much to give them ?

There are effects people generally do not see.

I don't fuck around. (much) Make me the chair of a huge corporation sat GM. To the UAW, look Man we are not playing bank anymore. To the employees "You are in a union, you trust that union, we are out of the retirement sand health insurance business, talk to your steward".

Think about this, when the crash came we had car makers begging. What ? They lost a few sales in the last year or whatever ? They are almost as old as dirt. I was born in the morning but not this morning.

Know why the car makers had problems ? BECAUSE THEY PLAYED BANK.

So fine employees, through the union which WE supply the money to you got your health insurance and retirement. you want to get paid for not working talk to them, if you want to get paid for working get to it.

That fucking simple.

 

>You can forget about ever getting popular by making a quality >product at a fair price, though.

That's the whole idea, $300 worth of parts for $2,000. But it is the DESIGN that makes it worth it. you can email of you want to see it but it is paper, scans, JPGs. Not spice. Spice cannot handle it.

But in no way do I mean to disagree with you on this...

 

[Winfield Hill]

Robert Baer wrote...

Original seller still has larger markup, hard time selling.

In most cases, not so much. First, the price was already
dirt cheap, with no effective competition. Second, the
buyer really needs the product. So the seller continues.
Many buyers can't absorb the extra cost, have to raise
the price, then we all pay.

BTW, a significant fraction of my Digi-Key, etc., purchases
now have an added tariff tacked on. We're paying directly.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[bitrex]

On 6/27/19 4:59 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

You can forget about ever getting popular by making a quality >product at a fair price, though.

That's the whole idea, $300 worth of parts for $2,000. But it is the DESIGN that makes it worth it. you can email of you want to see it but it is paper, scans, JPGs. Not spice. Spice cannot handle it.

But in no way do I mean to disagree with you on this...

I spent the better part of a decade in the music industry, both
performance and retail-biz, before I started doing hardware/software
design full-time. A percentage of that time was in LA.

It was enough to convince me that I don't want to spend my whole life
around audio dudes and musicians. and I say that as an audio dude. and
musician.

If there's a place where you can get convinced that America is a place
where the soulless and retarded prosper and the hard-working and
intelligent get to eat dirt, LA is it!

viz: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv0kf0ad2P0>

 

Many buyers can't absorb the extra cost, have to raise
the price, then we all pay.

How much ? Is it like 8% on something that is only 10% of the project ? Do the math, if you think some gook company out on some island where they eat things we put on the cover of National Geographic is going to help us you are delusional.

These tariffs are not that much, you just re against it because it is Trump.. If Obama did it (he didn't have the balls) you would have been YEAH YEAH all day fucking long.

When i first came to SED I thought "Hey, people value knowledge n shit !". I thought I was among people who had values similar to mine. This actually rally doesn't apply to people outside the US but you know what ? If you are IN this country you are supposed to be LOYAL to this country, at least while you're here. You know what they call people who ain't ? SPIES, and they execute them, at least the really good ones.

Enough.

 

Have to add...

If you are loyal to my country I will kill for you, maybe even die. Hydra-shoks, machettes, Chevy camshafts. My moves, like well nevermind.

They all work for you or against you.

We are not wimps, but we are woke.

Liberals don't get it. We have like 300 million guns and billions of rounds of ammo. They might have some but our kind figured these things out and know how to use them and all that. They were weaving baskets for their final exam.

There is no question who would win a civil war. I can kill like eight people up down the street in about 20 seconds. You were saying ?

Come on.

 

Another thing, I might be thinking how good the US has been to me but I have a REAL offer to leave, emigrate, with connections. I have a small measure of birthright, and they like USians. There are two things happen make me go to Poland (it is FANTASTIC there)

If the liberals take this government, or
When I am old enough to take a pension anywhere I please.

This is MY country but you know what ? It is made up of people who said the same thing in other countries. But the governments in those countries became too much to handle. At one time I didn't realize that.

The liberals will make it to where everyone is afraid to talk to each other and the only voice they hear will be... how many fucking guesses do you want ?

I know the game and the field, and the "rules" if you can call them that. DO NOT ask how.

Anyone knows better than me speak the fuck right up.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 28/06/2019 12:38 pm, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Another thing, I might be thinking how good the US has been to me but I have a REAL offer to leave, emigrate, with connections. I have a small measure of birthright, and they like USians. There are two things happen make me go to Poland (it is FANTASTIC there)

If the liberals take this government, or
When I am old enough to take a pension anywhere I please.

This is MY country but you know what ? It is made up of people who said the same thing in other countries. But the governments in those countries became too much to handle. At one time I didn't realize that.

The liberals will make it to where everyone is afraid to talk to each other and the only voice they hear will be... how many fucking guesses do you want ?

I know the game and the field, and the "rules" if you can call them that. DO NOT ask how.

Anyone knows better than me speak the fuck right up.

YEAH HAAAWW !!

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 8:51:53 PM UTC-7, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

Many buyers can't absorb the extra cost, have to raise
the price, then we all pay.

How much ? Is it like 8% on something that is only 10% of the project ?

No, it's worse than just a how-much-is-it analysis. Your purchases of other items
will also have a few percent uptick (because of tarrifs on tools and materials
that you use indirectly, through proxies) and there are items you'd want that
aren't available, anymore.

The inventories from which your suppliers peddle their goods are getting
readjusted according to no knowable rules, both quality and quantity
is DIFFERENT now. This is all happening in the name of a trade war:
it's a DELIBERATE government attempt to prevent trade.

In he US, each colony that became a state had to forego the authority to
limit trade with the other states: that was the voice of wisdom, we knew
that we ALL need/want/benefit from goods that are only available elsewhere.
As colonies, we couldn't make our own decisions on how to
trade, and with whom. Interior to the US, only federal trade limits were intended
to apply, and those (taxable alcohol excepted) have been minimal;
thank the founding fathers for that little gift.

 

[Robert Baer]

Winfield Hill wrote:

Robert Baer wrote...

Original seller still has larger markup, hard time selling.

In most cases, not so much. First, the price was already
dirt cheap, with no effective competition. Second, the
buyer really needs the product. So the seller continues.
Many buyers can't absorb the extra cost, have to raise
the price, then we all pay.

BTW, a significant fraction of my Digi-Key, etc., purchases
now have an added tariff tacked on. We're paying directly.

My point is, tariffs the way they are implemented, other than
"distorting the economy" do nothing FOR us.
If the original seller (implying China for the most part) had to pay
that amount (instead of us as is done now), the "economy distortion"
would stay the same but we would GAIN all of that money.

Buyers unable to absorb extra cost are in same exact position either way.

 

On Saturday, 29 June 2019 06:05:16 UTC+1, Robert Baer wrote:

My point is, tariffs the way they are implemented, other than
"distorting the economy" do nothing FOR us.
If the original seller (implying China for the most part) had to pay
that amount (instead of us as is done now), the "economy distortion"
would stay the same but we would GAIN all of that money.

If that made sense the US would apply a 100% tariff & get an endless supply of free goods.

> Buyers unable to absorb extra cost are in same exact position either way.

 

>it's a DELIBERATE government attempt to prevent trade.

Absolutely. They specifically for one take away some of the advantage of the slave labor countries or those that have have economies that are not designed to drain you like here and most of the west.

What the fuck do you want ? To see human garbage dying on the streets when you drive your Benz from the airport to the bank
?

Go ahead, but if one day I am shooting in a different direction than me oh well.

 

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 6:39:57 AM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 29 June 2019 06:05:16 UTC+1, Robert Baer wrote:

My point is, tariffs the way they are implemented, other than
"distorting the economy" do nothing FOR us.
If the original seller (implying China for the most part) had to pay
that amount (instead of us as is done now), the "economy distortion"
would stay the same but we would GAIN all of that money.

If that made sense the US would apply a 100% tariff & get an endless supply of free goods.

Right. A tariff is just a tax on the purchaser in the end.

Speaking generally, I'd generally oppose tariffs.

Generally, it benefits everyone to buy from the guy who can
do a thing most efficiently, for the best price * quality,
no matter where that guy is.

But China habitually does all sorts of sleazy things to sabotage
and bar our goods from getting a fair shot, so tariffs are a useful
lever to pressure them into treating us fairly.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

Why do they give you a tax break for doing this or that ? Social engineering. I can tell you how it works but not right now, it is 2 in the morning here and I got the munchies.

 

On Monday, 1 July 2019 06:55:19 UTC+1, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Why do they give you a tax break for doing this or that ? Social engineering. I can tell you how it works but not right now, it is 2 in the morning here and I got the munchies.

Tax is social engineering. Tax breaks are to be seen to be doing something good when they're not.


NT

 

On Monday, 1 July 2019 01:34:07 UTC+1, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 6:39:57 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 29 June 2019 06:05:16 UTC+1, Robert Baer wrote:

My point is, tariffs the way they are implemented, other than
"distorting the economy" do nothing FOR us.
If the original seller (implying China for the most part) had to pay
that amount (instead of us as is done now), the "economy distortion"
would stay the same but we would GAIN all of that money.

If that made sense the US would apply a 100% tariff & get an endless supply of free goods.

Right. A tariff is just a tax on the purchaser in the end.

of course

Speaking generally, I'd generally oppose tariffs.

Generally, it benefits everyone to buy from the guy who can
do a thing most efficiently, for the best price * quality,
no matter where that guy is.

But China habitually does all sorts of sleazy things to sabotage
and bar our goods from getting a fair shot, so tariffs are a useful
lever to pressure them into treating us fairly.

as if


NT

 

[Robert Baer]

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Why do they give you a tax break for doing this or that ? Social engineering. I can tell you how it works but not right now, it is 2 in the morning here and I got the munchies.

Yea...snail mail is tastier than web mail