PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

Jim Thompson · Sep 9, 2004

PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

SCHEMATICS continues to be supported in the next PSpice release.

Further support depends on the bitch level.

Please advise EMA-EDA/Cadence of your desire for this feature.

Repeat after me....

Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS!

...Jim Thompson
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Active8 · Sep 9, 2004

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:14:11 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

SCHEMATICS continues to be supported in the next PSpice release.

Further support depends on the bitch level.

Please advise EMA-EDA/Cadence of your desire for this feature.

Repeat after me....

Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS!

...Jim Thompson
You don't use capture

Post a bitch link. I'll bitch.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Jim Thompson · Sep 9, 2004

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:24:58 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:14:11 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

SCHEMATICS continues to be supported in the next PSpice release.

Further support depends on the bitch level.

Please advise EMA-EDA/Cadence of your desire for this feature.

Repeat after me....

Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS!

...Jim Thompson
You don't use capture

Post a bitch link. I'll bitch.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Joerg · Sep 10, 2004

Hi Jim,

What is so bad about Capture?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jim Thompson · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:23:47 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

What is so bad about Capture?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Terribly unfriendly user interface.

On the other hand PSpice Schematics is the easiest schematic front-end
that I've ever used.

Which is why OrCad bought MicroSim... so they could kill off the
competition.

Then Cadence bought OrCad and things just went straight downhill from
there :-(

...Jim Thompson
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Boris Mohar · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:23:47 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

What is so bad about Capture?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Off screen auto connect for starters and auto connect in general.

Disconnect during the drag operation.

Loss of orthogonal in some block drag operations

Absolutely shity library editor.

Years ago Cadstar would let you shuffle part pins right on the schematic.
Years ago DOS would let you move part reference and part values on fine grid
while keeping everything else on coarse grid.

Skyrocketing maintenance fees.

Our local rep does not even have the software installed in their home office.

I could go on but I am staring to foam.

Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/

void _-void-_ in the obvious place

Kevin Aylward · Sep 10, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:23:47 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

What is so bad about Capture?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Terribly unfriendly user interface.

On the other hand PSpice Schematics is the easiest schematic front-end
that I've ever used.

That's because you haven't used SS

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Gregg · Sep 10, 2004

Behold, Jim Thompson signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

SCHEMATICS continues to be supported in the next PSpice release.

Further support depends on the bitch level.

Please advise EMA-EDA/Cadence of your desire for this feature.

Repeat after me....

Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS!

...Jim Thompson

I agree Jim. But I learned this a long time ago from Duncan Munroe when
9.x wouldn't support the 8.x models.

LONG LIVE 3f4 SPICE!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Gregg t3h g33k
"Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines"
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Malcolm Reeves · Sep 10, 2004

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:03:05 -0400, Boris Mohar
<borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:23:47 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

What is so bad about Capture?

Off screen auto connect for starters and auto connect in general.
Disconnect during the drag operation.
Loss of orthogonal in some block drag operations
Absolutely shity library editor.
Skyrocketing maintenance fees.

Plus it's not left-hand friendly.

Remember the old style copy/paste/cut ctrl+ins etc. That is a right
hand combination for left handed mouse users. Most apps support both,
EXCEPT, you guessed it, Capture!

I'd also add that maintenance fees all seem to be spent on adding
bells and whistles rather than new models. The SM PSU models are
20yrs old.

Those in the UK might be interested to know that Cadence is breaking
UK law. UK is part of the EU which has laws covering EU wide
purchasing, i.e. I can buy any product/service anywhere in the EU and
the manufacturer can not limit this. For example a while back people
were importing right-hand drive (i.e. UK) cars from Europe as the
price was a lot lower (then). Now UK pspice users can ONLY buy
maintenance (or pspice) from the UK VAR as that is the terms Cadence
applies to the VARs. That is breaking EU law. Car manufacturers used
to do this and got fined AFAIR. I'd actually like to buy maintenance
from USA as it is 40% cheaper! (VAR set their own price!).

--

Malcolm

Malcolm Reeves BSc CEng MIEE MIRSE, Full Circuit Ltd, Chippenham, UK
(mreeves@fullcircuit.com, mreeves@fullcircuit.co.uk or mreeves@iee.org).
Design Service for Analogue/Digital H/W & S/W Railway Signalling and Power
electronics. More details plus freeware, Win95/98 DUN and Pspice tips, see:

http://www.fullcircuit.com or http://www.fullcircuit.co.uk

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Joerg · Sep 10, 2004

Hi Boris,

Sounds painful. I don't use any auto features and I love the old DOS
version. That was when things were reliable, maintenance was not an
issue and so on.

As Jim said, after the aquisition it changed. Prices started to become
pretty non-competitive. Especially when you consider the cost of
products such as Eagle. Not quite as powerful but the thing is, for 99%
of design it is enough CAD.

Still, Capture is the defacto standard in many companies on the West Coast.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Active8 · Sep 10, 2004

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:36:33 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:24:58 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:14:11 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

SCHEMATICS continues to be supported in the next PSpice release.

Further support depends on the bitch level.

Please advise EMA-EDA/Cadence of your desire for this feature.

Repeat after me....

Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS!

...Jim Thompson
You don't use capture

Post a bitch link. I'll bitch.

Are you a paid-up PSpice user? If so send your opinions to...

It's an old 9.8 that came with Orcad 9.8. I though that I'd express
the opinion that Orcad is good for nothing but Layout and even
*that* can be dispensed with. Furthermore, I'll get Protel (that's
partly a bluff. I'm not very fond of Altium at this point.) if I
can't get PSpice with Schematics in the future.

Would that be clear enough? By "support", I take it you mean they're
thinking of dropping Schematics and keeping Capture, right?

support@ema-eda.com

or go to...

http://support.ema-eda.com/

--

Best Regards,
Mike

Jim Thompson · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:21:01 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

[snip]

I take it you mean they're
thinking of dropping Schematics and keeping Capture, right?

support@ema-eda.com

or go to...

http://support.ema-eda.com/

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:57:41 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

[snip]

Still, Capture is the defacto standard in many companies on the West Coast.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Joerg · Sep 10, 2004

Hi Jim,

And Cadence is the "de facto standard" in most IC houses, but it's a
piece of crap also... slow and a terrible GUI.

Since you are one of the IC gurus, what tool are you using? Do your

clients make you use Cadence? If they didn't, what would be your all
time favorite these days?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Active8 · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:30:32 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:21:01 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

[snip]
I take it you mean they're
thinking of dropping Schematics and keeping Capture, right?

support@ema-eda.com

or go to...

http://support.ema-eda.com/

Correct. If they carry thru with their plan, only Capture will "talk"
to PSpice.

That's nice. If they go that way, it's only a matter of time before

someone discovers the ActiveX interface and writes a new capture
program. But if they "talk" through the interface using encryption
or encoding, it won't be so trivial.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

Jim Thompson · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:35:01 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:30:32 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:21:01 GMT, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

[snip]
I take it you mean they're
thinking of dropping Schematics and keeping Capture, right?

support@ema-eda.com

or go to...

http://support.ema-eda.com/

Correct. If they carry thru with their plan, only Capture will "talk"
to PSpice.

That's nice. If they go that way, it's only a matter of time before
someone discovers the ActiveX interface and writes a new capture
program. But if they "talk" through the interface using encryption
or encoding, it won't be so trivial.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Sep 10, 2004

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:29:02 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

And Cadence is the "de facto standard" in most IC houses, but it's a
piece of crap also... slow and a terrible GUI.

Since you are one of the IC gurus, what tool are you using? Do your
clients make you use Cadence? If they didn't, what would be your all
time favorite these days?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

I use PSpice to design ICs.

It might surprise you, but I've recently discovered that a MAJOR
ANALOG IC manufacturer uses PSpice; when they inquired about creating
behavioral models.

But I don't know what they are using for schematic capture.

...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Active8 · Sep 10, 2004

<snip>

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/

Boris. Will MegaSquirt work on a TBI system?

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Joerg · Sep 10, 2004

Hi Jim,

I use PSpice to design ICs.

I did as well during the few times that I had to. But what are you using

for the layout? Or do you contract that out (we did)?

It might surprise you, but I've recently discovered that a MAJOR
ANALOG IC manufacturer uses PSpice; when they inquired about creating
behavioral models.

Behavioral modeling is great. Some people even used it to model

mechanical parts which comes in handy when designing things such as
engine controller.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Kevin Aylward · Sep 10, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:57:41 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

[snip]
Still, Capture is the defacto standard in many companies on the West
Coast.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

And Cadence is the "de facto standard" in most IC houses, but it's a
piece of crap also... slow and a terrible GUI.

Actually, I quite like Analog Artist's schematic capture. I don't have
any major complaints after many solid years using it. It even has a
great router for wiring up. I think this done to your usual..er.. age...
bit... you know the one about old dogs and tricks...

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

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