PROBLEM! misc.business.product-dev.. Extending floating poin

[Genome]

Guy Macon has recently taken over as the moderator of
misc.business.product.dev.

One of his rules as moderator is that you are allowed to post to 'his'
newsgroup and one other unmoderated one. Note that is one as in one.

Recently Guy has posted the same question 'Extending floating point
precision' to comp.arch.embedded and sci.math. Including a crosspost to his
newsgroup.

The result is that whilst Guy, if you don't change the newsgroups, gets to
see answers from both groups in his group you as subscribers to the other
groups
do not.

Guy has not mentioned that he has posted the question in both of the other
newsgroups.

It might not be uncommon for newbies to post the same question to different
groups rather than crosspost. I don't know what recommended practice is but
if I thought a question was of interest to two groups, or more, then I would
crosspost and get a share of answers and knowledge as would others.

Guy Macon considers himself to be some sort of expert on usenet but as far
as I am concerned this is just another example of his ignorant or arrogant
behaviour. He is harvesting your knowledge.

I hope you understand my concern.

Thank You

DNA


I did try and crosspost this to comp.arch.embedded and sci.math but the
newsserver doesn't seem to want to play. :-(

 

[Tony Williams]

In article <V%rye.125$f77.59@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

This is the result of the total bloody absurdity of
crossposting to moderated and unmoderated newsgroups.

You get fractured threads, and/or threads that suddenly
spew into the unmoderated groups....... as seems to be
happening to s.e.d at the moment.

It would be better if moderators understood that
moderated groups should not be crossposted.

--
Tony Williams.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

One day PeteS got dressed and committed to text

Expert : adj

Ex = has been
Spurt = Drip under pressure

PeteS

Good to hear all the old shite really humorous sayings repeated so's we
don't forget them.


--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

 

[Guy Macon]

Tony Williams wrote:

Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

This is the result of the total bloody absurdity of
crossposting to moderated and unmoderated newsgroups.

You get fractured threads, and/or threads that suddenly
spew into the unmoderated groups....... as seems to be
happening to s.e.d at the moment.

No it isn't. You are, quite simply, wrong. What is happening
to s.e.d at the moment is that Genome, who I have killfiled,
decided to start off-topic crossposting complaints about
misc.business.product-dev between sci.electronics.design and
comp.arch.embedded. Then you decided to crosspost your off-topic
reply to the same two unmoderated newsgroups. Please don't blame
crossposts between unmoderated newsgroups on the moderator of a
third, moderated newsgroup.

If you would like to make a case against crossposting to moderated
and unmoderated newsgroups, I invite you to do so by posting it to
misc.business.product-dev with a Subject line of "[META] Moderation
Policy." Or, if you wish, you can find some other newsgroup where
such discussions are appropriate. comp.arch.embedded is NOT the right
place to discuss the moderation policy of misc.business.product-dev.

It would be better if moderators understood that
moderated groups should not be crossposted.

I would welcome seeing you try to make your case. So far you are just
making assertions without giving any reasons.

 

[Guy Macon]

Rheilly Phoull wrote:

Good to hear all the old shite really humorous sayings repeated
so's we don't forget them.

This thread is an attempt to start a crossposted flamewar between
sci.electronics.design and comp.arch.embedded. If you reply to
those same two newsgroups you are helping the shit-stirrer.

 

[Winfield Hill]

Guy Macon wrote...

Tony Williams wrote:

Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

This is the result of the total bloody absurdity of
crossposting to moderated and unmoderated newsgroups.

You get fractured threads, and/or threads that suddenly
spew into the unmoderated groups....... as seems to be
happening to s.e.d at the moment.

No it isn't. You are, quite simply, wrong. What is happening
to s.e.d at the moment is that Genome, who I have killfiled,
decided to start off-topic crossposting complaints about
misc.business.product-dev between sci.electronics.design and
comp.arch.embedded. Then you decided to crosspost your off-topic
reply to the same two unmoderated newsgroups. Please don't blame
crossposts between unmoderated newsgroups on the moderator of a
third, moderated newsgroup.

If you would like to make a case against crossposting to moderated
and unmoderated newsgroups, I invite you to do so by posting it to
misc.business.product-dev with a Subject line of "[META] Moderation
Policy." Or, if you wish, you can find some other newsgroup where
such discussions are appropriate. comp.arch.embedded is NOT the right
place to discuss the moderation policy of misc.business.product-dev.

It would be better if moderators understood that
moderated groups should not be crossposted.

I would welcome seeing you try to make your case. So far you are just
making assertions without giving any reasons.

I agree with Tony.

Kindly keep your moderated-newsgroup posts separate from s.e.d.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:44:37 +0100, the renowned Tony Williams
<tonyw@ledelec.demon.co.uk> wrote:

In article <V%rye.125$f77.59@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

This is the result of the total bloody absurdity of
crossposting to moderated and unmoderated newsgroups.

You get fractured threads, and/or threads that suddenly
spew into the unmoderated groups....... as seems to be
happening to s.e.d at the moment.

It would be better if moderators understood that
moderated groups should not be crossposted.

Yes, as a poster, one should *never* x-post to a moderated group.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Guy Macon]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Yes, as a poster, one should *never* x-post to a moderated group.

There is no reason why a poster should never crosspost to
a moderated newsgroup. Some newsgroup moderators allow
crossposts, some don't, and there is nothing wrong with
either policy.

Crossposting complaints about the moderation policy of misc.
business.product-dev to comp.arch.embedded and sci.electronics.
design, on the other hand, *is* a violation of netiquette.

 

[Guy Macon]

Winfield Hill wrote:

I agree with Tony.

Good thing that you aren't allowed to dictate to others
where they can and cannot post, then, because it's none
of your business.

 

[Genome]

"Guy Macon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11cktncipkr3c40@corp.supernews.com...

Tony Williams wrote:

Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

This is the result of the total bloody absurdity of
crossposting to moderated and unmoderated newsgroups.

You get fractured threads, and/or threads that suddenly
spew into the unmoderated groups....... as seems to be
happening to s.e.d at the moment.

No it isn't. You are, quite simply, wrong. What is happening
to s.e.d at the moment is that Genome, who I have killfiled,
decided to start off-topic crossposting complaints about
misc.business.product-dev between sci.electronics.design and
comp.arch.embedded. Then you decided to crosspost your off-topic
reply to the same two unmoderated newsgroups. Please don't blame
crossposts between unmoderated newsgroups on the moderator of a
third, moderated newsgroup.

If you would like to make a case against crossposting to moderated
and unmoderated newsgroups, I invite you to do so by posting it to
misc.business.product-dev with a Subject line of "[META] Moderation
Policy." Or, if you wish, you can find some other newsgroup where
such discussions are appropriate. comp.arch.embedded is NOT the right
place to discuss the moderation policy of misc.business.product-dev.

It would be better if moderators understood that
moderated groups should not be crossposted.

I would welcome seeing you try to make your case. So far you are just
making assertions without giving any reasons.

Although you won't see my answer because you have killfiled me I must point
out that it was YOU.... who

1) Crossposted your original question to misc.business.product-dev and
comp.arch.embedded

2) Crossposted your original question to misc.business.product-dev and
sci.math

Therefore it was YOU as the moderator of misc.business.product-dev who
started with this crossposting. You have been touting your moderated
newsgroup in unmoderated ones trying to, dare I say Troll People into it. It
is probably the reason why you crosspost in the first place.

I don't know what the policy of the moderator for sci.math is but your ill
conceived restrictions on crossposting limits your behaviour.

You can

1) Crosspost your question to relevent newsgroups... comp.arch.embedded and
sci.maths. Which unfortunately means you are forced to leave yours out so
no-ones answers appear in your precious newsgroup.

2) You can keep your question in your precious newsgroup in which case no
one will see it.

3) You can do what you did.

When I first saw that, not realising that sci.math was moderated and might
operate a similar policy to you (stupid though it is) I thought it was a bit
pretentious. I still do and that was my original complaint. By choosing to
do it the way you did you denied others access to information that may have
been useful to them

Realise that I am not complaining about misc.business.product-dev but about
your behaviour as moderator. As such you should be excercising a much higher
level of 'usenet etiquette'. There are a number of times when you have
either started threads from 'your' newsgroup and tried to plead with people
to continue responding there. You have also tried to hi-jack threads from
unmoderated newsgroups into yours.

This is crossposted to SED because that's where I generally live and have
met you. I don't like you or your attitude, that's my opinion. I might
behave like an idiot most of the time but I don't feel any need to prove
anything.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/7c3633db8905dec6?dmode=source

Having dropped my pants I shall leave this arena.

DNA

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:03:30 +0000, the renowned Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Yes, as a poster, one should *never* x-post to a moderated group.

There is no reason why a poster should never crosspost to
a moderated newsgroup.

Yes indeed there is. Crossposting to a moderated newsgroup exposes not
only the replies (for those who don't carefully check the newsgroups
line) but even the ORIGINAL post to the whims of the moderator. As a
result, for example, it may never reach any of the unmoderated
newsgroups.

Totally unacceptable, IMHO.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Genome]

"Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:IJvye.663$f77.167@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...

Having dropped my pants I shall leave this arena.

DNA

No, I'm lying... I'll sit and see.

Not interested? PLONK me or the thread.

DNA

 

[Guy Macon]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Yes indeed there is. Crossposting to a moderated newsgroup exposes not
only the replies (for those who don't carefully check the newsgroups
line) but even the ORIGINAL post to the whims of the moderator. As a
result, for example, it may never reach any of the unmoderated
newsgroups.

Totally unacceptable, IMHO.

If that's totally unacceptable to you, feel free to avoid posting or
crossposting to moderated newsgroups.

I don't know if you noticed, but the first time someone from sci.
electronics.design made a polite request that I not allow crossposts
there, I stopped approving any crossposts to sci.electronics.design.
I did this not because I had to or because anyone made a good argument,
but simply because it seemed like the polite thing to do. It would
be nice if I got an occasional scrap of politeness thrown back to me,
but that's the decision of whoever is doing the posting to make.
While on the subject of being polite, shall we discuss whether
crossposting your off-topic opinions about moderation policies to
comp.arch.embedded and sci.electronics.design is the polite thing
to do?

Your argument contains a fatal flaw. It assumes that, just because
some posters are foolish enough to use a newsreader that posts to
whatever newsgroups the post they reply to was posted to *and* are
foolish enough to let the decision the newsreader made stand without
reviewing it, they should be allowed to dictate where other posters
can and cannot post just to shield them from the consequences of
their foolish behavior.

This is Usenet. You don't get to tell me what to do, and I don't
get to tell you what to do. You are 100% responsible for anything
you post - headers and body. You can choose to quote from someone
else's post and you can choose to post to where someone else posted,
but the choice is yours and so is the responsibility.

As for your "for those who don't carefully check" concept, this was
decided a long time ago in another context. There was a proposal
floated that all moderated newsgroups have the word "moderated" in
the newsgroup name, much like the way binary newsgroups are labeled.
The argument was that those who don't carefully check might end up
posting and having their posts not approved or posted with an
added moderator's comment on the bottom. The consensus among news
administrators was that it is the poster's responsibility to pay
attention, and that it is not Usenet's responsibility to shield him
from the consequences of not paying attention. This basic concept
was built into the fabric of Usenet when it was decided that any
poster can set followups - another situation where those who don't
carefully check might be surprised at the results they get.

"This is not a list. This is not a board. This is not
some web page forum with rules and moderators. This is
USENET. The wild west of online communication. Where
trolls and flames roam rampant. Where you keep your
asbestos underpants handy if you lack wit (or have an
ego that greatly exceeds your actual abilities).
If you don't like it, feel free to run back to the
comfortable safety of moderated web forums and mailing
lists where everyone lives in enforced peace and harmony
in the land of Nod."
-Cichlidiot

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:20:44 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:03:30 +0000, the renowned Guy Macon
_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:


Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Yes, as a poster, one should *never* x-post to a moderated group.

There is no reason why a poster should never crosspost to
a moderated newsgroup.

Yes indeed there is. Crossposting to a moderated newsgroup exposes not
only the replies (for those who don't carefully check the newsgroups
line) but even the ORIGINAL post to the whims of the moderator. As a
result, for example, it may never reach any of the unmoderated
newsgroups.

Totally unacceptable, IMHO.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Just don't play in Gee's arena. Leave him alone to wither and die.

With Agent it is trivial to kill cross-posts to groups you don't want
to see the response... just delete Gee's group from the Newsgroup
header.

...Jim Thompson
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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:51:48 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

Guy Macon has recently taken over as the moderator of
misc.business.product.dev.

One of his rules as moderator is that you are allowed to post to 'his'
newsgroup and one other unmoderated one. Note that is one as in one.

Recently Guy has posted the same question 'Extending floating point
precision' to comp.arch.embedded and sci.math. Including a crosspost to his
newsgroup.

The result is that whilst Guy, if you don't change the newsgroups, gets to
see answers from both groups in his group you as subscribers to the other
groups
do not.

Guy has not mentioned that he has posted the question in both of the other
newsgroups.

It might not be uncommon for newbies to post the same question to different
groups rather than crosspost. I don't know what recommended practice is but
if I thought a question was of interest to two groups, or more, then I would
crosspost and get a share of answers and knowledge as would others.

Guy Macon considers himself to be some sort of expert on usenet but as far
as I am concerned this is just another example of his ignorant or arrogant
behaviour. He is harvesting your knowledge.

I hope you understand my concern.

Thank You

DNA


I did try and crosspost this to comp.arch.embedded and sci.math but the
newsserver doesn't seem to want to play. :-(

Guy also sets followups to a null group so that he can have the "last
word." What a self-centered, needy creep. Imagine the despair of
having to spend the rest of your life being Guy Macon.

His product-dev group is mostly "Guy playing with Guy".

John

 

[Tony Williams]

In article <11cktncipkr3c40@corp.supernews.com>,
Guy Macon <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

I would welcome seeing you try to make your case. So far you are
just making assertions without giving any reasons.

I'm not going to waste my gums, because you won't listen.

Two points though, since you enjoy lecturing down to
people about netiquette......

It is bad netiquette to change the subject line without
a "Was:" explanation in the new title.

It is even worse netiquette to change the newsgroup(s)
without warning of the change in the body of the text.

--
Tony Williams.

 

[James Waldby]

[dropped comp.arch.embedded]

Genome wrote:

"Guy Macon" ... wrote ...
Tony Williams wrote:
Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

sci.math isn't moderated. The subgroup sci.math.research is
moderated and listed in Usenet_Moderated_Newsgroup_Archive_List.html

I don't know what the policy of the moderator for sci.math is but your ill
conceived restrictions on crossposting limits your behaviour.

There is no moderator for sci.math.

-jiw

 

[Guy Macon]

Tony Williams wrote:

I'm not going to waste my gums, because you won't listen.

You are wrong. I always listen to anyone who is willing to
present an actual argument. Just making assertions doesn't
cut it.

It is bad netiquette to change the subject line without
a "Was:" explanation in the new title.

No it isn't.

It is even worse netiquette to change the newsgroup(s)
without warning of the change in the body of the text.

Changing is bad netiquette, trimming is perfectly acceptable.

 

[Genome]

"James Waldby" <j-waldby@pat7.com> wrote in message
news:42CAB678.F1D6814A@pat7.com...

Genome wrote:
"Guy Macon" ... wrote ...
Tony Williams wrote:
Genome <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Now I know why the crosspost did not work.
sci.math is moderated as well...... puke.

sci.math isn't moderated. The subgroup sci.math.research is
moderated and listed in Usenet_Moderated_Newsgroup_Archive_List.html

I don't know what the policy of the moderator for sci.math is but your
ill
conceived restrictions on crossposting limits your behaviour.

There is no moderator for sci.math.

-jiw

Oh.... I'll believe you because I'm not too clever. Having said that though
my news reader shows sci.math as being moderated and when I tried to include
it in my crosspost the message didn't get through. When I removed it from
the list it did?

Anyway my moan remains the same.

Guy has used his newsgroup to cross post to the other two and not informed
anyone.... thus breaking the link. Therefore sci.math and comp.arch.embedded
have missed out on the opportunity of discussing methods of Extending
Floating Point Precision whilst Guy has got both sides of the story in
misc.business.product-dev.

That stinks.

You must be a comp.arch.embedded person...... I'll resist the temptation to
add it back. I really shouldn't have started a new thread in your
newsgroup.... I should have kept it in the original but, I'm a shit.

DNA

DNA

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:28:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:20:44 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:03:30 +0000, the renowned Guy Macon
_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:


Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Yes, as a poster, one should *never* x-post to a moderated group.

There is no reason why a poster should never crosspost to
a moderated newsgroup.

Yes indeed there is. Crossposting to a moderated newsgroup exposes not
only the replies (for those who don't carefully check the newsgroups
line) but even the ORIGINAL post to the whims of the moderator. As a
result, for example, it may never reach any of the unmoderated
newsgroups.

Totally unacceptable, IMHO.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Just don't play in Gee's arena. Leave him alone to wither and die.

Newsgroups seem to attract people who have a deep need for public
humiliation.

John