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ME
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Does anyone have any preferences between B2 SPICE and ICAP4 windows? If any
why?
why?
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Rich Webb
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:23:03 -0800, "ME" <e27182818@nonomyjoi.com> wrote:
back when they really did distribute the floppy disks in brown paper
bags). Been happy with it. Nice integration with Eagle, if you're an
Eagle CAD user.
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Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
Never used ICAP4 but I've been a customer or B2 Spice for years (from
back when they really did distribute the floppy disks in brown paper
bags). Been happy with it. Nice integration with Eagle, if you're an
Eagle CAD user.
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Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
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ME
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I have been using the trial version of B2 SPICE and have encountered many
errors. Also their print preview does not work ( they temporarily disabled
it due to bugs). They are a tiny company. I wonder if they have as many
resources as say Intusoft has to test the code? B2 SPICE's price is great
for what you get but I get the feeling from using both that B2 SPICE is
buggier.
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errors. Also their print preview does not work ( they temporarily disabled
it due to bugs). They are a tiny company. I wonder if they have as many
resources as say Intusoft has to test the code? B2 SPICE's price is great
for what you get but I get the feeling from using both that B2 SPICE is
buggier.
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Kevin Aylward
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ME wrote:
Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
Yes, its SuperSpice, because its better
Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
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JeffM
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/3c4a3a19fc1aefb/d941ca9f4cbb344e?q=author:Mike-Engelhardt+LTSPICE+Why-mess-with-Intusoft#d941ca9f4cbb344e
Keven has already made a pitch for his SPICE.
He did a better job of talking up his demo version here:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/704998c2970eb4ef/2a74262c835f92c5?q=author:Kevin-Aylward+The-demo-of-SS-actually-allows-for-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+LTSPICE#2a74262c835f92c5
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Yzordderrex
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I've been running ICAP4 for 8 years, but don't know B2. I'm not
particularly happy with ICAP4, especially when comparing to LT Spice.
ICAP4 has a lot of difficulty converging at times. I just upgraded and
got back on the service plan with Intusoft. I was hoping for a package
that might be easier to run. I'm still a little dissapointed. Still
less than optimum when converging, and the display is just too busy.
Too many windows just to get some waveform scaling going on. This
busy-ness is actually reflective of the power the package has. Rather
than a scathing analysis of the package I will temper my review with
the following remark. Intusoft does have all the bells and whistles.
It is a very powerful program that is capable of doing just about
anything you ask it to. I however am a keep it simple kind of
character who would probably do very well in a prison type environment.
I use LT Spice for just about all of my simulations at work and for my
ham radio stuff. Simple to use and FREE. The only time I use Intusoft
now is for line harmonic simulations. The customer likes the tabular
output of harmonics that Intusoft provides.
So there ya go, Rich likes B2, and I don't like Intusoft too much. If
you know all the convergence tricks - that is, you've been around the
block a few times with spice - then Intusoft is not such a bad package,
especially if you need some of the capabilities that it has.
Take a look at the link JeffM provided.
73
Bob
particularly happy with ICAP4, especially when comparing to LT Spice.
ICAP4 has a lot of difficulty converging at times. I just upgraded and
got back on the service plan with Intusoft. I was hoping for a package
that might be easier to run. I'm still a little dissapointed. Still
less than optimum when converging, and the display is just too busy.
Too many windows just to get some waveform scaling going on. This
busy-ness is actually reflective of the power the package has. Rather
than a scathing analysis of the package I will temper my review with
the following remark. Intusoft does have all the bells and whistles.
It is a very powerful program that is capable of doing just about
anything you ask it to. I however am a keep it simple kind of
character who would probably do very well in a prison type environment.
I use LT Spice for just about all of my simulations at work and for my
ham radio stuff. Simple to use and FREE. The only time I use Intusoft
now is for line harmonic simulations. The customer likes the tabular
output of harmonics that Intusoft provides.
So there ya go, Rich likes B2, and I don't like Intusoft too much. If
you know all the convergence tricks - that is, you've been around the
block a few times with spice - then Intusoft is not such a bad package,
especially if you need some of the capabilities that it has.
Take a look at the link JeffM provided.
73
Bob
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Rich Webb
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GUI-side code. Not unexpectedly, it has had some bugs that needed
stomping as a result. Having maintained large software projects myself,
I'm aware of the cruft that can accrue to the codebase over time, so
I'll forgive them the current lack of a print preview in the expectation
that the overall quality will be better ... once the remaining bugs are
eliminated.
They are a small company but they've managed to grow the business of
selling B2 Spice for over a decade -- and having your mortgage dependent
on your software product does tend to focus the mind ...
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
The current (5.0) release appears to be a complete re-write of the
GUI-side code. Not unexpectedly, it has had some bugs that needed
stomping as a result. Having maintained large software projects myself,
I'm aware of the cruft that can accrue to the codebase over time, so
I'll forgive them the current lack of a print preview in the expectation
that the overall quality will be better ... once the remaining bugs are
eliminated.
They are a small company but they've managed to grow the business of
selling B2 Spice for over a decade -- and having your mortgage dependent
on your software product does tend to focus the mind ...
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
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ME
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Do You think that LT SPICE converges better than ICAP4?
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Yzordderrex
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Yes, I would have to say that in most circumstances LT Spice will
converge faster than Icap4. ESPECIALLY if you are no so familiar with
spice. It takes a little bit of practice *trial and error* sometimes
to get these animals to behave. I would have to say that LT spice is
more apt to converge, when Intusoft is more apt to get stuck in the mud
and never converge - without help from operator. There are simulation
options that can be tweaked as well as tricks that can be played with
the circuits in order to get these things to converge. I don't know
the exact recipe that LT is using to get the thing to work, but it does
IMO work good.
regards,
Bob
ME wrote:
converge faster than Icap4. ESPECIALLY if you are no so familiar with
spice. It takes a little bit of practice *trial and error* sometimes
to get these animals to behave. I would have to say that LT spice is
more apt to converge, when Intusoft is more apt to get stuck in the mud
and never converge - without help from operator. There are simulation
options that can be tweaked as well as tricks that can be played with
the circuits in order to get these things to converge. I don't know
the exact recipe that LT is using to get the thing to work, but it does
IMO work good.
regards,
Bob
ME wrote:
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Winfield Hill
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Yzordderrex wrote...
user, working with rather exotic circuitry, I rarely find a case where
with some moderate, sensible tweaking, the simulation doesn't converge
nicely. I prefer ICAP's model library, schematic entry and output plots.
And Intusoft's enhanced spice engine is no slouch. But hey, if you're
an SMPS designer using LTC components, LT Spice must be the way to go.
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Thanks,
- Win
All that said, as a moderately-experienced ICAP (what a horrible name)
user, working with rather exotic circuitry, I rarely find a case where
with some moderate, sensible tweaking, the simulation doesn't converge
nicely. I prefer ICAP's model library, schematic entry and output plots.
And Intusoft's enhanced spice engine is no slouch. But hey, if you're
an SMPS designer using LTC components, LT Spice must be the way to go.
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Thanks,
- Win
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ME
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What enhancements have been made to ICAP's SPICE engine and why are they
important?
Which version of ICAP are you using?
Can't you load other SPICE models into LTSPICE?
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important?
Which version of ICAP are you using?
Can't you load other SPICE models into LTSPICE?
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Yzordderrex
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To set the record straight. First of all, OP asked for comparison
between ICAP & B2? I gave him ICAP & LT spice.
More important than that, I don't want to go on the record as saying
ICAP is an inferior program. I'll agree that sensible tweaking is all
that is required to get the thing to run, and that the input, output,
and libraries are very good. ICAP has all the benefits that Win
pointed out. If I could only have one program on my machine, ICAP
would have to be my choice. As I had said before, it is a very
powerful tool.
For the spice beginner or casual user, I would suggest you give LT
spice a spin.
regards,
Bob
between ICAP & B2? I gave him ICAP & LT spice.
More important than that, I don't want to go on the record as saying
ICAP is an inferior program. I'll agree that sensible tweaking is all
that is required to get the thing to run, and that the input, output,
and libraries are very good. ICAP has all the benefits that Win
pointed out. If I could only have one program on my machine, ICAP
would have to be my choice. As I had said before, it is a very
powerful tool.
For the spice beginner or casual user, I would suggest you give LT
spice a spin.
regards,
Bob
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I have been evaluating LT SPICE for the past few days. How can you add more
components?
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