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"Sylvia Else"
Phil Allison wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a USB
charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
** The cause of death has not been determined - from the very sketchy
details, it seems possible it was due to faulty USB charger being used
with
a mobile phone. The woman's laptop may have provided the earth path.
IME, adaptors and chargers sent direct from China are not inherently
unsafe - they merely lack agency approval certification for Australia (
normally done in China anyhow) while carrying the relevant certification
for
other countries.
This makes them illegal to supply here as certification and labelling of
such items is compulsory under legislation in each state. However, agency
certification only involves checking a few sample units and does NOT
guarantee any particular item sold is without safety flaw nor will never
develop one.
They're supposed to be resist to tracking, and broken wire connections
shouldn't be capable of making the low voltage side live.
** Ones that are *genuinely* approved for sale in Europe, the USA etc meet
all those requirements - but will usually have a non Australian AC plug.
The fake Apple brand USB adaptors shown in Dave Jones video are not agency
approved for sale anywhere - so whoever imports one of them becomes
pesonally liable for any harm that occurs.
The big trap for Australians is that China has adopted our AC plug - so
every piece of crap made for the home market
in China can be used here too.
.... Phil
"Sylvia Else"
Phil Allison wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB
charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
** The cause of death has not been determined - from the very sketchy
details, it seems possible it was due to faulty USB charger being used
with
a mobile phone. The woman's laptop may have provided the earth path.
IME, adaptors and chargers sent direct from China are not inherently
unsafe - they merely lack agency approval certification for Australia
(
normally done in China anyhow) while carrying the relevant certification
for
other countries.
This makes them illegal to supply here as certification and labelling of
such items is compulsory under legislation in each state. However,
agency
certification only involves checking a few sample units and does NOT
guarantee any particular item sold is without safety flaw nor will never
develop one.
They're supposed to be resist to tracking, and broken wire connections
shouldn't be capable of making the low voltage side live.
Ones that are *genuinely* approved for sale in Europe, the USA etc meet
all those requirements - but will usually have a non Australian AC plug.
The fake Apple brand USB adaptors shown in Dave Jones video are not agency
approved for sale anywhere
- so whoever imports one of them becomes pesonally liable for any harm
that occurs.
- so every piece of crap made for the home market in China can be used
here too.
On 28/06/2014 10:21 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else"
Phil Allison wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB
charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
** The cause of death has not been determined - from the very sketchy
details, it seems possible it was due to faulty USB charger being used
with
a mobile phone. The woman's laptop may have provided the earth path.
IME, adaptors and chargers sent direct from China are not inherently
unsafe - they merely lack agency approval certification for Australia
(
normally done in China anyhow) while carrying the relevant
certification
for
other countries.
This makes them illegal to supply here as certification and labelling
of
such items is compulsory under legislation in each state. However,
agency
certification only involves checking a few sample units and does NOT
guarantee any particular item sold is without safety flaw nor will
never
develop one.
They're supposed to be resist to tracking, and broken wire connections
shouldn't be capable of making the low voltage side live.
** Ones that are *genuinely* approved for sale in Europe, the USA etc
meet
all those requirements - but will usually have a non Australian AC plug.
The fake Apple brand USB adaptors shown in Dave Jones video are not
agency
approved for sale anywhere - so whoever imports one of them becomes
pesonally liable for any harm that occurs.
The big trap for Australians is that China has adopted our AC plug - so
every piece of crap made for the home market
in China can be used here too.
China now mandates the Aussie 3-pin plug?
it was only the Kiwis and some other South Pacific islands!
Or do you mean the Chinese have multiple standards?
On 28/06/2014 10:21 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else"
Phil Allison wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a USB
charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
** The cause of death has not been determined - from the very sketchy
details, it seems possible it was due to faulty USB charger being used
with
a mobile phone. The woman's laptop may have provided the earth path.
IME, adaptors and chargers sent direct from China are not inherently
unsafe - they merely lack agency approval certification for Australia (
normally done in China anyhow) while carrying the relevant certification
for
other countries.
This makes them illegal to supply here as certification and labelling of
such items is compulsory under legislation in each state. However, agency
certification only involves checking a few sample units and does NOT
guarantee any particular item sold is without safety flaw nor will never
develop one.
They're supposed to be resist to tracking, and broken wire connections
shouldn't be capable of making the low voltage side live.
** Ones that are *genuinely* approved for sale in Europe, the USA etc meet
all those requirements - but will usually have a non Australian AC plug.
The fake Apple brand USB adaptors shown in Dave Jones video are not agency
approved for sale anywhere - so whoever imports one of them becomes
pesonally liable for any harm that occurs.
The big trap for Australians is that China has adopted our AC plug - so
every piece of crap made for the home market
in China can be used here too.
.... Phil
China now mandates the Aussie 3-pin plug?
I thought it was only the Kiwis and some other South Pacific islands!
Or do you mean the Chinese have multiple standards?
On 2014-06-28, Yaputya <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 28/06/2014 10:21 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else"
Phil Allison wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB
charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
** The cause of death has not been determined - from the very sketchy
details, it seems possible it was due to faulty USB charger being used
with
a mobile phone. The woman's laptop may have provided the earth path.
IME, adaptors and chargers sent direct from China are not inherently
unsafe - they merely lack agency approval certification for
Australia (
normally done in China anyhow) while carrying the relevant
certification
for
other countries.
This makes them illegal to supply here as certification and labelling
of
such items is compulsory under legislation in each state. However,
agency
certification only involves checking a few sample units and does NOT
guarantee any particular item sold is without safety flaw nor will
never
develop one.
They're supposed to be resist to tracking, and broken wire connections
shouldn't be capable of making the low voltage side live.
** Ones that are *genuinely* approved for sale in Europe, the USA etc
meet
all those requirements - but will usually have a non Australian AC
plug.
The fake Apple brand USB adaptors shown in Dave Jones video are not
agency
approved for sale anywhere - so whoever imports one of them becomes
pesonally liable for any harm that occurs.
The big trap for Australians is that China has adopted our AC plug -
so
every piece of crap made for the home market
in China can be used here too.
.... Phil
China now mandates the Aussie 3-pin plug?
It was originally an American design, but yeah, the
Chinese use something very much like it, but upside
down, and possibly shightly different pin thickness.
I thought it was only the Kiwis and some other South Pacific islands!
Or do you mean the Chinese have multiple standards?
China is big, they have multiple languages! But yeah,
I think there are some other plugs they use too.
Phil Allison wrote:
The big trap for Australians is that China has adopted our AC plug -
so
every piece of crap made for the home market
in China can be used here too.
It was originally an American design, but yeah, the Chinese use
something very much like it, but upside down,
and possibly shightly different pin thickness.
On 28-June-2014 8:44 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
very sad, and how tragic that ppl can lose their lives just innocently
doing mundane things
see the video and story at:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html
NSW Fair Trading Commissioner Rod Stowe said a number of USB-style
chargers, travel adaptors and power boards that did not meet
Australian safety standards had been removed from sale at a mobile
phone accessory stall in Campsie, in Sydney's south-west, following
the death.
Mr Stowe said authorities were not aware until now of the large number
of the cheap chargers that were available for sale in NSW.
"This is the first time we've been aware of them in large numbers," he
said.
well, you can buy a cheap ebay "made in china" USB 1A charger for $1
including postage.
see:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AC-DC-Power-Supply-Adapter-USB-Wall-Charger-US-AU-EU-UK-Plug-For-Phone-MP3-MP4-/141257752355?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&var=&hash=item20e39e3f23
I got three a long time ago (not this brand) to see what they were all
about. I dropped one on the floor and the case broke open.
Pray tell, how will they stop world wide users buying these death traps?
How will authorities ever be able to police this stuff? individuals and
retailers can order direct from china any day of the week via eBay, or
any number of 'bargain' internet sites
There was no comment (that I saw) as to whether the premises had RCD's
fitted.
"pedro"
There was no comment (that I saw) as to whether the premises had RCD's
fitted.
** Only a small fraction of residences in NSW have RCDs and no retro fitting
is required unless new circuits are installed.
Only very recently have they been mandated for all workplaces here too.
.... Phil
IME, adaptors and chargers sent direct from China are not inherently
nsafe - they merely lack agency approval certification for Australia (
normally done in China anyhow) while carrying the relevant certification for
other countries.
It happens that Phil Allison formulated :
"pedro"
There was no comment (that I saw) as to whether the premises had RCD's
fitted.
** Only a small fraction of residences in NSW have RCDs and no retro
fitting is required unless new circuits are installed.
Only very recently have they been mandated for all workplaces here too.
Do you know when?
On 28-June-2014 8:44 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
see the video and story at:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html
I anyone sees other reports about this, then please post their URLs.
(I'm in The Netherlands, so can't easily follow this.)
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
see the video and story at:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html
NSW Fair Trading Commissioner Rod Stowe said a number of USB-style
chargers, travel adaptors and power boards that did not meet
Australian safety standards had been removed from sale at a mobile
phone accessory stall in Campsie, in Sydney's south-west, following
the death.
Mr Stowe said authorities were not aware until now of the large number
of the cheap chargers that were available for sale in NSW.
"This is the first time we've been aware of them in large numbers," he
said.
well, you can buy a cheap ebay "made in china" USB 1A charger for $1
including postage.
see:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AC-DC-Power-Supply-Adapter-USB-Wall-Charger-US-AU-EU-UK-Plug-For-Phone-MP3-MP4-/141257752355?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&var=&hash=item20e39e3f23
I got three a long time ago (not this brand) to see what they were all
about. I dropped one on the floor and the case broke open.
Pray tell, how will they stop world wide users buying these death traps?
Cheers Don...
On 28-June-2014 8:44 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Just reading about the sad case of the NSW woman electrocuted with a
USB charger that did not meet Australian safety standards.
see the video and story at:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warning-over-usb-chargers-after-woman-dies-from-apparent-electrocution-20140626-zsngd.html
NSW Fair Trading Commissioner Rod Stowe said a number of USB-style
chargers, travel adaptors and power boards that did not meet
Australian safety standards had been removed from sale at a mobile
phone accessory stall in Campsie, in Sydney's south-west, following
the death.
Mr Stowe said authorities were not aware until now of the large number
of the cheap chargers that were available for sale in NSW.
"This is the first time we've been aware of them in large numbers," he
said.
well, you can buy a cheap ebay "made in china" USB 1A charger for $1
including postage.
see:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AC-DC-Power-Supply-Adapter-USB-Wall-Charger-US-AU-EU-UK-Plug-For-Phone-MP3-MP4-/141257752355?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&var=&hash=item20e39e3f23
I got three a long time ago (not this brand) to see what they were all
about. I dropped one on the floor and the case broke open.
Pray tell, how will they stop world wide users buying these death traps?
Cheers Don...
The article says "The young woman was wearing headphones and holding
her laptop when she was found dead with burns on her ears and chest,
in an apparent electrocution.".
What do have a laptop and headphones got to do with a USB-charger?
Or was it not a laptop, but for example a tablet,
and hence yet another example of sloppy reporting?
More:
"People should also not use any electrical devices while they are
plugged in and charging."
They're *kidding* right!? :-(
And:
"The devices found by Fair Trading had no insulation on
pins or approval marks." (Note "insulation ON pins".)
Perhaps I'm deaf, but I could swear that the video says "had no
insulation pins". (Note *no* "ON".) "insulation pins", what the heck are
they supposed to be?
I anyone sees other reports about this, then please post their URLs.
(I'm in The Netherlands, so can't easily follow this.)
"The devices found by Fair Trading had no insulation on pins or
approval marks." (Note "insulation ON pins".)
Perhaps I'm deaf, but I could swear that the video says "had no
insulation pins". (Note *no* "ON".) "insulation pins", what the heck are
they supposed to be?
I anyone sees other reports about this, then please post their URLs.
(I'm in The Netherlands, so can't easily follow this.)
On 29/06/2014 1:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 10:43:29 +1000, felix_unger <me@nothere.biz
wrote:
On 29-June-2014 9:23 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 22:21:17 +1000, keithr <user@domain.invalid
wrote:
I hate the light from flouros, they remind me of every office that I've
worked in and 1960s houses. They also put 3rd harmonic distortion on the
mains when used en mass.
They can really irritate my eyes. If I spend too much time in places
like Woolworths or Kmart, I get sore eyes.
I get a lighter wallet..
You should try shoplifting then.
Just ask anyone in the carpark driving a mid-nineties Commodore for
advice on that one.
They drive clapped out Hiluxes these days - carry more stuff.
Frank Slootweg
"The devices found by Fair Trading had no insulation on pins or
approval marks." (Note "insulation ON pins".)
Perhaps I'm deaf, but I could swear that the video says "had no
insulation pins". (Note *no* "ON".) "insulation pins", what the heck are
they supposed to be?
I anyone sees other reports about this, then please post their URLs.
(I'm in The Netherlands, so can't easily follow this.)
Australian Male plugs have insulation on 50% of "pin" length
http://www.qiao-pu.com/upload/photo/545a3bd2430920dbee5f9dc4729689e4.jpg
The "pin" goes into socket the picture shows the insulation on the
phase and neutral "pins
"Petzl"
Frank Slootweg
"The devices found by Fair Trading had no insulation on pins or
approval marks." (Note "insulation ON pins".)
Perhaps I'm deaf, but I could swear that the video says "had no
insulation pins". (Note *no* "ON".) "insulation pins", what the heck are
they supposed to be?
I anyone sees other reports about this, then please post their URLs.
(I'm in The Netherlands, so can't easily follow this.)
Australian Male plugs have insulation on 50% of "pin" length
http://www.qiao-pu.com/upload/photo/545a3bd2430920dbee5f9dc4729689e4.jpg
The "pin" goes into socket the picture shows the insulation on the
phase and neutral "pins
** An agency approved USB wall charger for use in Australia will have the
following features:
1. Two angled pins, half insulated from the base.
3. A C-tick symbol with a 3 or 4 digit number nearby commencing with the
letter N.
4. Approval number beginning with the letters any of letters V, N, Q, S
or W followed by a multi digit number.
You should see all these on any wall adaptor sold here in the last 10
years or so.
** An agency approved USB wall charger for use in Australia will have the
following features:
1. Two angled pins, half insulated from the base.
Not necessarily if it uses an adapter.
2. A 39 mm dia round base from which the pins emerge.
Doesnt need to be 39mm round.
You're wrong. My Samsung doesnt have all of what you listed.
"Petzl"
Frank Slootweg
"The devices found by Fair Trading had no insulation on pins or
approval marks." (Note "insulation ON pins".)
Perhaps I'm deaf, but I could swear that the video says "had no
insulation pins". (Note *no* "ON".) "insulation pins", what the heck are
they supposed to be?
I anyone sees other reports about this, then please post their URLs.
(I'm in The Netherlands, so can't easily follow this.)
Australian Male plugs have insulation on 50% of "pin" length
http://www.qiao-pu.com/upload/photo/545a3bd2430920dbee5f9dc4729689e4.jpg
The "pin" goes into socket the picture shows the insulation on the
phase and neutral "pins
** An agency approved USB wall charger for use in Australia will have the
following features:
1. Two angled pins, half insulated from the base.
2. A 39 mm dia round base from which the pins emerge.
3. A C-tick symbol with a 3 or 4 digit number nearby commencing with the
letter N.
4. Approval number beginning with the letters any of letters V, N, Q, S or
W followed by a multi digit number.
You should see all these on any wall adaptor sold here in the last 10 years
or so.
..... Phil