POLL: Would you want to know?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I have said previously I would not post in this group about Jesus
any longer. But I fear I have sinned against God in making that
statement. So, I want to ask a poll:

Question:

If you were wrong in your belief that we do not need
Jesus to forgive us of sin ... would you want to know?

Please answer yes or no:

Yes -- You WOULD want to know if you were wrong.
No -- You WOULD NOT want to know if you were wrong.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Evgeny Filatov]

On 04.05.2017 15:00, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

I have said previously I would not post in this group about Jesus
any longer. But I fear I have sinned against God in making that
statement.

No, you just cannot stop posting, and that was totally expected.

A hint: if you truly want to stop posting, don't tell anyone. Just stop.

Gene

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:28:35 PM UTC-4, Evgeny Filatov wrote:
> ..you just cannot stop posting, and that was totally expected.

Do you know why, Evgeny? Because every time I would read posts here
my heart would be torn in two! I would sit here thinking of the fate
of those who are not forgiven for their sin by Jesus Christ, and it
would tear me up!

I cannot sit idly by and let people I care about be sent to Hell
without raising my voice and imploring them ... PLEASE, for the sake
of your eternal soul, come to Jesus and ask forgiveness. This isn't
a joke. It isn't a made up story. It is the fate you are facing in
your sin ("you" meaning all people).

We are already condemned for our sin. What Jesus offers is a way out
from that condemnation. He offers Himself in our place.

This is a final thing I'm talking about. It's not even like being
in a really bad automobile accident and being burned over 90% of
your body to the point where you suffer pain for the next 65 years
of your life. I'm talking about about being cast into the flames,
in an eternal body that will not be consumed by those flames, to
where you won't just feel the pain of your recovery and unusual
skin grafts, but you will feel the torment of the flames forever!

I cannot be silent when I realize that's where unsaved people are
heading. It's not within me to be so cold and callous. I have a
loving, caring, passionate heart, and I come here IMPLORING you
to turn to Jesus and ask forgiveness. You know you are a sinner.
He is the savior you need so you are not judged for your sin.

That is why I could not remain quiet. Because I'm not a cold,
callous, insensitive murderer. I have a heart, and love, and that
love wins out over your cries to me to be silent. You do not know
today what I know, but I do know it, and I will continue to fight
for each and every one of you.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Here is the message of God creating everything, sin entering in, the
fall, the distractions by the enemy, and God Himself coming in to our
fallen-in-sin world to save us:

Lifehouse Everything Skit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyheJ480LYA

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Brane2]

Dne četrtek, 04. maj 2017 19.13.19 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:

Here is the message of God creating everything, sin entering in, the
fall, the distractions by the enemy, and God Himself coming in to our
fallen-in-sin world to save us:

Lifehouse Everything Skit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyheJ480LYA

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

"God" is just a brainfart.

 

[colin]

Oh for crying out loud.

You have started with the assumption that creation cannot be understood, only believed in.

Apply some bloody science, try a theory and see if it can be disproved.

Try this theory. The universe is a single expanding consciousness, which can be influenced by all things within it. Two thousand years ago a very bright woman started working this out. She then spent thirty years teaching her son what she had come to understand and he went out into the world teaching others. Unfortunately the world at large worshipped snakes and the like and could not cope with the idea that everyone is truly the master of their own destiny so he had to hide the message hence the speaking in tongues stuff. Unfortunately self righteous idiots such as yourself have taken his message and twisted it. I have spent twenty years trying to disprove this theory and haven't managed to yet, it seems to explain everything.

 

[Brane2]

No need for that. Just check the definition for "God" and all related verbs ( like "universe/wold" ,"natural" "supernatural", "divine" etc) and you'll see that no matter how you tweak them, you won't be able to make logical, "watertight" whole out of them.

So, all this God mumbo-jumbo is just a brainfart. It is broken at the level of base definitions, no need to run through the maze of mental illness to prove it's crap.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 9:10:39 AM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

No need for that. Just check the definition for "God" and all related
verbs ( like "universe/wold" ,"natural" "supernatural", "divine" etc)
and you'll see that no matter how you tweak them, you won't be able
to make logical, "watertight" whole out of them.

So, all this God mumbo-jumbo is just a brainfart. It is broken at the
level of base definitions, no need to run through the maze of mental
illness to prove it's crap.

If you were wrong, would you want to know?

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:01:49 AM UTC-4, colin wrote:

Oh for crying out loud.

You have started with the assumption that creation cannot be
understood, only believed in.

No I haven't. But there are some things we cannot understand in
our present form, which is why we don't know them.

> [snip]

You could create your own religion out of that theory. It sounds
good to man's reasoning mind. It just has one problematic fallacy:
It's not true.

-----
Here's the truth: Christianity is not about religion:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/2FXLYxkRUzA/9NLvf-sjAQAJ

You must be forgiven of your sin otherwise your guilt against God
goes with you when you leave this world. You'll be judged, found
guilty, and tossed FOREVER into the burning lake of fire and brimstone.

Jesus is the only one who can take away your sin, because of what
He did at the cross. And, it's free to receive for the asking.

He could not have made it any easier and still given you a choice.

Please ask Him to forgive your sin. It's how you gain eternal life
in Heaven with God. His paradise, not like this world.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - God wants to forgive us. He's made is as easy as possible. We
just have to ask Him. He could not have made it any easier and
still given us a choice.

 

[Brane2]

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 15.33.50 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:

PS - God wants to forgive us. He's made is as easy as possible. We
just have to ask Him. He could not have made it any easier and
still given us a choice.

OR, "He" is just fucking with you.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 10:44:29 AM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 15.33.50 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:
PS - God wants to forgive us. He's made is as easy as possible. We
just have to ask Him. He could not have made it any easier and
still given us a choice.

[redacted]
OR, He's just [messing] with you.

Ask yourself this: What would truth do?

Jesus is truth. He does not mess with anybody. He lays everything
out in fullest expanse, so that all who will approach the truth will
find the fullness of what's been laid before all men.

The truth is there for you too, Brane2, if you will receive it.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - Have you ever sinned in God's eyes [I'll give you a hint, you
did in your non-redacted reply to me]? You do have sin, Brane2.
You need a savior ... just like everybody else, including me.

 

[Brane2]

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 17.41.16 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 10:44:29 AM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

Ask yourself this: What would truth do?

Nothing. Truth is passive.

Jesus is truth. He does not mess with anybody. He lays everything
out in fullest expanse, so that all who will approach the truth will
find the fullness of what's been laid before all men.

OR:

He was just fucking with you.
BTW, haven't you ever found at least a bit suspicious that he his Father was
Big Kahuna in a "Board of directors" ?

It's no sweat to "sacrifice" yourself when your old man can outdo David Copperfield and David Blaine even when drunk.

The truth is there for you too, Brane2, if you will receive it.

So are the lies and manipulations.

PS - Have you ever sinned in God's eyes [I'll give you a hint, you
did in your non-redacted reply to me]? You do have sin, Brane2.
You need a savior ... just like everybody else, including me.

I think you are more in a need of a doctor. Or perhaps healer.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:35:17 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 17.41.16 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 10:44:29 AM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:
Ask yourself this: What would truth do?

Nothing. Truth is passive.

The truth is always victorious. It rises above everything else.
Falseness may seem to have the day, and it can convince a great
many people, but when truth speaks it is definitive and dominating.

The hardest lesson I've had to learn as a Christian is that not
everyone is going to be saved. It's a very painful lesson for me
because it is such a waste (an unnecessary waste of people).

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Brane2]

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 19.09.06 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:35:17 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:


The truth is always victorious. It rises above everything else.

Winners are victourious. And _their_ truth is the one that rises.
Until they lose, ofcourse.

The hardest lesson I've had to learn as a Christian is that not
everyone is going to be saved. It's a very painful lesson for me
because it is such a waste (an unnecessary waste of people).

That's because you are learning as a Christian - using your lower back instead of brains.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 19.09.06 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:35:17 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:
The truth is always victorious. It rises above everything else.

Winners are victourious.

Winners are victorious:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/11-15.htm
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices
in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become
the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall
reign for ever and ever.

When Jesus went to the cross ... total victory. He even defeated
death, Hell, and the grave. He holds the keys to life eternal,
and He's giving it away for free to anyone who will receive it.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/15-57.htm
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through
our Lord Jesus Christ.

Total victory. "Oh death, where is your sting?"

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/15-55.htm
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

For those who receive forgiveness, they take hold of the victory
when they humble themselves and say, "I cannot do it on my own.
I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need forgiveness." In that
moment when they ask Jesus to forgive them, then are they forever
transformed by the renewal He brings. He takes their sin away,
removing them from judgment and condemnation, and they pass, in
that moment, from death to life:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/5-24.htm
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word,
and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from
death unto life.

But there's a warning:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3-18.htm
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And _their_ truth is the one that rises.
Until they lose, ofcourse.

The truth is fundamental. It has a root that is the bottom. It
is not twisted and full of turns and nooks. It is straight, and
it is visible, and it proclaims in a loud voice its very nature.

When man ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he
was then able to be deceived. And it is that deception against
our fallen-in-sin flesh Satan uses to keep us from coming to the
truth. He introduces things that look at lot like the truth,
but are not the truth, but for many it is a close enough facsimile
that they're content with it. But, it's still damning to their
eternal soul because it is still falseness, still sin, and has
no redeeming or saving power.

The hardest lesson I've had to learn as a Christian is that not
everyone is going to be saved. It's a very painful lesson for me
because it is such a waste (an unnecessary waste of people).

That's because you are learning as a Christian - using your lower
back instead of brains.

It's because I've read the Bible and I see that all whose names
are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life are tossed into the
fire. And the last chapter of the book of their life will be,
"And they were tossed into the lake of fire. The end."

That really means something to me, which is why I come here and
teach people the truth. The word goes forth for those who have
an ear to hear. It is not for other people.

-----
The teachings of Jesus Christ are before you if you would like to
pursue them. You don't need me or anyone else. God Himself will
lead you into all understanding ... if you'll seek the truth.

I pray you do. You are valuable beyond words, and I would like
to see you in Heaven.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Brane2]

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 19.43.22 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:


When Jesus went to the cross ... total victory.

How do you know it really happened ? Fuerthermore, how do you know it really happened as described and in that context ?

He even defeated

death, Hell, and the grave.

How do you know that ?

He holds the keys to life eternal,
and He's giving it away for free to anyone who will receive it.

Same question.

Total victory. "Oh death, where is your sting?"

If you are into masochism, self-mutilation etc, rock on.
I'm not that thrilled about such victories.

For those who receive forgiveness, they take hold of the victory
when they humble themselves and say, "I cannot do it on my own.
I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need forgiveness." In that
moment when they ask Jesus to forgive them, then are they forever
transformed by the renewal He brings. He takes their sin away,
removing them from judgment and condemnation, and they pass, in
that moment, from death to life:

HOw do you know that this isn't a pile of crap ?

-----
The teachings of Jesus Christ are before you if you would like to
pursue them. You don't need me or anyone else. God Himself will
lead you into all understanding ... if you'll seek the truth.

Truth is not dependant on me dis/liking it. At least this is current state of the matter in physics, I think. Observer perceives a difference, but just through measurement etc.

And again- how do you know that "divine company" isnt fucking with your mind ?

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 2:37:46 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

When Jesus went to the cross ... total victory.
How do you know...?

The flesh cannot know these things. It requires something different.
And that different attribute than our flesh is beyond our ability to
wield, because we are flesh.

It requires a transformation. It requires a persons seeking to know
the truth from within, and being changed by God (John 6:44) to know
it. From within that change, a person will be able to THEN know the
truth, come to Jesus, repent of their sins, ask forgiveness, and is
saved and born again.

It is from within that new nature that a person can know, because it's
a new part of our being which gives us the ability to have real and
solid assurance.

If you tried to describe what it's like to see to a room full of blind
people who have only known blindness since birth, they would not be
able to understand your strange speech, your ability to explain how
you know things they cannot know. You could look across a room you've
never been in before and know the way to go, which path is safe, which
one would hit the couch or coffee table. They would have to feel
their way and could not walk in assuredness the way you do.

With the spirit nature it's the same way. The flesh has limitations
which prevent it from knowing things. But the spirit is new and
different and it gives insight into spiritual things, and it is from
within that transformation that a person can know.

-----
Read John 3. It describes the born again nature, of the spirit,
not just of the flesh.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Brane2]

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 20.57.52 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 2:37:46 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:
When Jesus went to the cross ... total victory.
How do you know...?

The flesh cannot know these things. It requires something different.
And that different attribute than our flesh is beyond our ability to
wield, because we are flesh.

IOW, you don't know.

It requires a transformation. It requires a persons seeking to know
the truth from within, and being changed by God (John 6:44) to know
it. From within that change, a person will be able to THEN know the
truth, come to Jesus, repent of their sins, ask forgiveness, and is
saved and born again.

IOW, you have to convince yourself.
This is what I meant by "Christian learning".

It is from within that new nature that a person can know, because it's
a new part of our being which gives us the ability to have real and
solid assurance.

IOW, after sufficiently long mental fapping, you lift your mood enought to shread any rational and critical thought.

If you tried to describe what it's like to see to a room full of blind
people who have only known blindness since birth, they would not be
able to understand your strange speech, your ability to explain how
you know things they cannot know.

BUt after some physical experiments and reasoning they would be able to figure it out, sooner or later. After all, this is what mathematics and physics are all about.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:07:54 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:

Dne petek, 05. maj 2017 20.57.52 UTC+2 je oseba Rick C. Hodgin napisala:
On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 2:37:46 PM UTC-4, Brane2 wrote:
When Jesus went to the cross ... total victory.
How do you know...?

The flesh cannot know these things. It requires something different.
And that different attribute than our flesh is beyond our ability to
wield, because we are flesh.

It requires a transformation. It requires a persons seeking to know
the truth from within, and being changed by God (John 6:44) to know
it. From within that change, a person will be able to THEN know the
truth, come to Jesus, repent of their sins, ask forgiveness, and is
saved and born again.

IOW, you don't know...

No. I do know. And I have told you how you too can also know.

You think it is foolishness...:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/2-14.htm
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he
know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

....because you are not born again, and are not seeking the truth.
You uphold your personal opinion that it is nonsense. So long as
you continue to assert that position, you separate yourself from
the truth. When you humble yourself and say, "I may not know. I
may be wrong, and if I am then I want to know the truth." Then
will you be on the path to knowing the truth.

As I say, I pray you do. You are valuable beyond words. And God
has big plans for you in eternity ... if you'll receive Him, and
all that He offers.

It's personal, Brane2. It's between you and God directly. All
you have to do is just seek the truth, and He will do the rest.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Brane2]

IOW, you don't know...

No. I do know. And I have told you how you too can also know.

You think it is foolishness...:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/2-14.htm
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he
know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Why exactly should I believe this stuff ?