Polarity reversal protection,how to??

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Antonio Spedicato

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Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy
 
Antonio Spedicato wrote:
Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy
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Protection from what?
Does the light care?
Batteries in wrong? Use mechanical means.
Charger backwards? Use dedicated cable.
Other??? use fuse.
It can obviously get much more sophisticated if you can
describe exactly what you're trying to protect against.
100% protection is MUCH harder than 90%.
mike

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"Antonio Spedicato" <antospedico@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy
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Not sure why a lamp would care about polarity, but assuming you want no
voltage drop, you could use a fuse, and a shunt diode to blow it if it is
wrong.

Tam
 
Antonio Spedicato wrote:
Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy
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I think we have posted this 10,000 times in the past:

View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.



+--------------+---------+
| | |
| | |
| | +-+
--- | |L|
- BATT | |O|
| | |A|
| | |D|
| | +-+
| G |
| ----- |
| - - - |
+------------D S-------+

N-CH MOSFET
 
mike <spamme0@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<41954B03.9030000@netscape.net>...
Antonio Spedicato wrote:
Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy

Protection from what?
Does the light care?
Batteries in wrong? Use mechanical means.
Charger backwards? Use dedicated cable.
Other??? use fuse.
It can obviously get much more sophisticated if you can
describe exactly what you're trying to protect against.
100% protection is MUCH harder than 90%.
mike
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I forget a word......polarity reversal, this is the problem.
For me is hard to do it..can you expplain me how i can protect batteries?
Thanks
 
Antonio Spedicato wrote:
mike <spamme0@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<41954B03.9030000@netscape.net>...

Antonio Spedicato wrote:

Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy

Protection from what?
Does the light care?
Batteries in wrong? Use mechanical means.
Charger backwards? Use dedicated cable.
Other??? use fuse.
It can obviously get much more sophisticated if you can
describe exactly what you're trying to protect against.
100% protection is MUCH harder than 90%.
mike


I forget a word......polarity reversal, this is the problem.
For me is hard to do it..can you expplain me how i can protect batteries?
Thanks
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You need to remember MORE words. Polarity reversal where?
When installing the batteries?
When connecting a charger?
Some other thing we don't know about?
Might, depending on your objectives, be helpful to know the
current drain and technology of the lamp, depending...maybe...who knows...

Making some grand unsubstantiated assumptions, I'd say put the batteries
in, put a screw in the cover so some idiot can't get them out and use
a polarized charging connector.

Now, there are a whole bunch of issues surrounding charging. But you
haven't asked that...

Then there's the issue about leaving the switch on and reverse charging
some of the cells. Low voltage cutout is likely to be more of a
necessity than putting the cells in backwards.

I'm starting to rant, but what the heck, bits are almost free...
Rechargeable batteries are unsuited to use with flashlights. And here's
why. You need to turn the light off IMMEDIATELY at the first sign of
dimming to prevent cell reversal. If you haven't charged it in a week,
this may happen almost immediately when you try to use it.
So, do you want the light to turn itself off to protect the
batteries? Or do you want it to stay on as long as possible to help
you through the emergency?
"He was hit by a car in the dark...but the good news is that the
batteries in his flashlight were protected".
mike
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Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

Antonio Spedicato wrote:
Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy

I think we have posted this 10,000 times in the past:

View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.



+--------------+---------+
| | |
| | |
| | +-+
--- | |L|
- BATT | |O|
| | |A|
| | |D|
| | +-+
| G |
| ----- |
| - - - |
+------------D S-------+

N-CH MOSFET
Click to expand...
When one wants to connect multiple devices to the same battery and
share a common and quality ground (HF equipment) it would be desirable
to 'switch' in the + line.
Do you perhaps have a simple solution for this as well? I was thinking
along the lines of moving this mosfet to the + line and use an helper
voltage generated by some inverters to lift the gate way above the
battery level.
But when things get too complex, a relay would become a simpler, but
less energy effecient solution.

Joop
 
"Antonio Spedicato" <antospedico@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy
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If you want to keep a battery (in a series string), from developing a
reverse polarity, put a diode across each battery. Hook the cathode of the
diode on the positive side of the battery and the anode on the negative side
of the battery. I think this is what you are looking for.
Brian
 
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:15:40 -0600, "Brian" <bellis350@comcast.net> wroth:

If you want to keep a battery (in a series string), from developing a
reverse polarity, put a diode across each battery. Hook the cathode of the
diode on the positive side of the battery and the anode on the negative side
of the battery. I think this is what you are looking for.
Brian
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By the time a cell has discharged to the point that a diode will turn on
and "protect" it, it is likely to be already ruined.

Jim
 
"James Meyer" <jmeyer@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:15:40 -0600, "Brian" <bellis350@comcast.net
wroth:


If you want to keep a battery (in a series string), from developing a
reverse polarity, put a diode across each battery. Hook the cathode of
the
diode on the positive side of the battery and the anode on the negative
side
of the battery. I think this is what you are looking for.
Brian


By the time a cell has discharged to the point that a diode will turn on
and "protect" it, it is likely to be already ruined.

Jim
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I use to work at a place, where we used these types of batteries in our
equiptment. We had battery packs, with six in series. At first, we had
problems with some reverse charging. If they weren't damaged, we would
revive them by hitting them with a heavy charge (for a short time). Most of
the time, this would work. After we put diodes across each battery in
series, we had no more problems with them reverse charging. The diode would
keep them from overheating. They would charge normally, when put on a
charger (without the short high current burst).

Another thing that works, is to match the batteries. Give them all a full
charge and then discharge them (recording how long each one lasts). Put only
those in series, that had the same discharge time.
Brian
 
"Brian" <bellis350@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<U-SdnaeUD72j3AvcRVn-hQ@comcast.com>...
"Antonio Spedicato" <antospedico@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy

If you want to keep a battery (in a series string), from developing a
reverse polarity, put a diode across each battery. Hook the cathode of the
diode on the positive side of the battery and the anode on the negative side
of the battery. I think this is what you are looking for.
Brian
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Wich type of diode and wich value?
Can you send me in pvt some picture about it?
Thanks
 
"Antonio Spedicato" <antospedico@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Antonio Spedicato" <antospedico@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12
volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy

If you want to keep a battery (in a series string), from developing a
reverse polarity, put a diode across each battery. Hook the cathode of
the
diode on the positive side of the battery and the anode on the negative
side
of the battery. I think this is what you are looking for.
Brian

Wich type of diode and wich value?
Can you send me in pvt some picture about it?
Thanks
Click to expand...
You could use something like a 1N5820. Go to http://www.digi-key.com/ and
type in 1N5820 (in the search box), it will take you to where you can get
the data sheet.
Brian
 
James Meyer wrote:

By the time a cell has discharged to the point that a diode will turn
on and "protect" it, it is likely to be already ruined.

Jim
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Right- the deep discharge limit for NiMH is +1.0V and not -1.0V or
thereabouts on a bypass diode at 3Amps. This type of information is
available in the various handbooks from manufacturers like Panasonic.
It would be better to use batteries with reverse battery and
overdischarge protection built-in:
http://www.gpina.com/industrial/batteries/NiMH/NiMHspecs.htm
 
On 12 Nov 2004 14:30:12 -0800, Antonio Spedicato wrote:

Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy
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Mike
 
Joop wrote:
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:



Antonio Spedicato wrote:

Hy, i would to build a polarity protection for my dive light (12 volts
nimh batteries) but i don't known ho to do it!!
Can someone help me?
There are 10 batteries 1,2 volts 3000 mah serial installed.
Thanks
Antonio-Italy

I think we have posted this 10,000 times in the past:

View in a fixed-width font such as Courier.



+--------------+---------+
| | |
| | |
| | +-+
--- | |L|
- BATT | |O|
| | |A|
| | |D|
| | +-+
| G |
| ----- |
| - - - |
+------------D S-------+

N-CH MOSFET


When one wants to connect multiple devices to the same battery and
share a common and quality ground (HF equipment) it would be desirable
to 'switch' in the + line.
Do you perhaps have a simple solution for this as well? I was thinking
along the lines of moving this mosfet to the + line and use an helper
voltage generated by some inverters to lift the gate way above the
battery level.
But when things get too complex, a relay would become a simpler, but
less energy effecient solution.

Joop
Click to expand...
Just use a P-channel FET with SOURCE terminal on the LOAD, GATE to gnd,
and DRAIN to Batt(+).
 
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