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Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.
 
On 04/09/2015 02:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.

Both generation and recombination are stochastic, so you get
fluctuations on both ends of the carrier lifetime.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 04/09/2015 03:09 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/09/2015 02:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.


Both generation and recombination are stochastic, so you get
fluctuations on both ends of the carrier lifetime.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I should add that this isn't true in photodiodes since the recombination
occurs at the contacts, which isn't stochastic. In a photoconductor, in
order to maintain charge neutrality, on average the carriers that hit
the contact are replaced by others emitted from the other contact. (The
usual semiconductor physics class explanation of this doesn't hold water.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 3:09:08 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/09/2015 02:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.


Both generation and recombination are stochastic, so you get
fluctuations on both ends of the carrier lifetime.

Got it, so twice the shot noise.
Has anyone actually measured this?

George H.
Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 9:42:28 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 4/10/2015 8:50 AM, George Herold wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 3:09:08 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/09/2015 02:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.


Both generation and recombination are stochastic, so you get
fluctuations on both ends of the carrier lifetime.


Got it, so twice the shot noise.
Has anyone actually measured this?


I assume so. If you look e.g. in the ERIM Infrared Handbook, you'll see
plots of D* vs wavelength for different detectors. At the top of the
plot, there are two curves marked "Ideal photovoltaic" and "Ideal
photoconductor" that are 3 dB apart.

OK thanks, Is this the handbook?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Infrared-Handbook-William-Wolfe/dp/096035901X
(Certainly not giving it away.)

George H.
Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 4/10/2015 8:50 AM, George Herold wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 3:09:08 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/09/2015 02:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.


Both generation and recombination are stochastic, so you get
fluctuations on both ends of the carrier lifetime.


Got it, so twice the shot noise.
Has anyone actually measured this?

I assume so. If you look e.g. in the ERIM Infrared Handbook, you'll see
plots of D* vs wavelength for different detectors. At the top of the
plot, there are two curves marked "Ideal photovoltaic" and "Ideal
photoconductor" that are 3 dB apart.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 04/10/2015 11:16 AM, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 9:42:28 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 4/10/2015 8:50 AM, George Herold wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 3:09:08 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/09/2015 02:45 PM, George Herold wrote:
Phil, I think you had some sensible reason why LDR's show
noise that is above the shot noise... (twice as much??)
Could you remind me?

TIA

George H.


Both generation and recombination are stochastic, so you get
fluctuations on both ends of the carrier lifetime.


Got it, so twice the shot noise.
Has anyone actually measured this?


I assume so. If you look e.g. in the ERIM Infrared Handbook, you'll see
plots of D* vs wavelength for different detectors. At the top of the
plot, there are two curves marked "Ideal photovoltaic" and "Ideal
photoconductor" that are 3 dB apart.

OK thanks, Is this the handbook?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Infrared-Handbook-William-Wolfe/dp/096035901X
(Certainly not giving it away.)

George H.

Yup. I have the green edition, published by ERIM (Environmental
Research Institute of Michigan or something like that). Their Fig 11-52
on p. 11-88 of the green edition is sort of what I was thinking of.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 

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