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Greetings Jeff,
I grew up in Cupertino and Saratoga. I spent most of my summers
when I was a teen in the Santa Cruz Mountains. We used to hitch hike
from Saratoga to Los Gatos and then to Santa Cruz to enjoy the
beaches. Camped in all sorts of places in the Santa Cruz Mountains
that were not actually campgrounds, but just places where we wouldn\'t
get caught. Also Big Basin and Henry Cowell state parks.
Now there are all these fires in your area. It\'s making me
heartsick. I hope you are OK.
Sincererly,
Eric

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:35:18 -0700, etpm@whidbey.com wrote:

Greetings Jeff,
I grew up in Cupertino and Saratoga. I spent most of my summers
when I was a teen in the Santa Cruz Mountains. We used to hitch hike
from Saratoga to Los Gatos and then to Santa Cruz to enjoy the
beaches. Camped in all sorts of places in the Santa Cruz Mountains
that were not actually campgrounds, but just places where we wouldn\'t
get caught. Also Big Basin and Henry Cowell state parks.
Now there are all these fires in your area. It\'s making me
heartsick. I hope you are OK.
Sincererly,
Eric

Thanks for asking. I\'m ok and my house in Ben Lomond is ok. The fire
burned to within 1500 ft of my house. My house is the blue marker:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/Jackson%20Ave%202020-08-29.pdf>
I haven\'t seen it yet. I expect everything to be covered with a thin
layer of ash. The area is being slowly \"repopulated\". I expect to be
back home in a few days.

Most of Big Basin Redwoods State Park and Little Basin were destroyed.
None the historic buildings are left. Henry Cowell Park is untouched.
The nearby Fall Creek Park is mostly burned over. See my collections
of
info links. Some spotty areas survived, but none of the fire maps
offer sufficient detail to show them. If you\'re interested in a
particular address or area, try:
<https://sccgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5461c7f372e24ab68ca386e73d58e35a>
for damage inspection results:

Presently, I\'ve been evacuated. I setup housekeeping in my formerly
palatial office in Santa Cruz.
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/Office-2020-08-29.jpg>
I had given the landlord notice and was scheduled to be out of the
office on Monday, so the office was almost empty when I arrived. I\'ve
been spending most of my time keeping track of the fire, posting
explanations of how things work to neighbors on Nexdoor.com, acting as
self appointed public info officer, and making some rather bad
predictions. Some accumulated info links at:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/>
Water might be a problem. Too soon to tell:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijMv6hk1Zc>

My office is next to the San Lorenzo River. At one point, it was
decided that the fire might enter the city via the brush growing in
the river. Unlikely, but possible if the winds and very hot weather
continued. It was therefore possible that the area around my office
would be evacuated. That meant that I had my car loaded and packed
for a quick escape to parts unknown with minimal notice. At one
point, the fog trapped the smoke from the fire in the adjacent river
canyon. It was awful, so I went to Costco and bought a Winix C535 air
purifier. That helped.

I managed to squeeze in a few computer repairs. All were unsuccessful
because all my tools, software, and spare parts were in my house in
Ben Lomond. It didn\'t help that I was also a nearly sleepless and a
rather nervous wreck, while the computer owners were no better.

Drivel: It\'s amazing that a large number of residents didn\'t think of
calling their home telephone answering machine to see if their house
still had phone and power service, which is a good indication that the
house is likely to be intact. I had to repeat this suggestion many
times.

Also, I was into \"car camping\" when I was a teenager in Smog Angeles.
Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead were my hangouts. I liked it so much that
when I finally decided to buy a house, it was in an area that looked
much likg Big Bear.


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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Fox\'s Mercantile]

On 8/29/20 10:38 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> Thanks for asking. I\'m ok and my house in Ben Lomond is ok.

Good to hear.


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WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[server]

I spent lots of time in the Santa Cruz Mountains as a teen and up in
into my early 20s. I can\'t even count how many times I drove or was
driven on Hwy. 9. I loved Ben Lomond, Boulder Creek, and Felton. I
remember digging for shark teeth. I\'m sure happy you are doing OK and
didn\'t lose your house. 1500 feet is awful close. If there was a fire
burning 1500 feet from my house it would be burning my woods or my
neighbor\'s woods. Scary.
Eric

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 08:38:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:35:18 -0700, etpm@whidbey.com wrote:

Greetings Jeff,
I grew up in Cupertino and Saratoga. I spent most of my summers
when I was a teen in the Santa Cruz Mountains. We used to hitch hike
from Saratoga to Los Gatos and then to Santa Cruz to enjoy the
beaches. Camped in all sorts of places in the Santa Cruz Mountains
that were not actually campgrounds, but just places where we wouldn\'t
get caught. Also Big Basin and Henry Cowell state parks.
Now there are all these fires in your area. It\'s making me
heartsick. I hope you are OK.
Sincererly,
Eric

Thanks for asking. I\'m ok and my house in Ben Lomond is ok. The fire
burned to within 1500 ft of my house. My house is the blue marker:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/Jackson%20Ave%202020-08-29.pdf
I haven\'t seen it yet. I expect everything to be covered with a thin
layer of ash. The area is being slowly \"repopulated\". I expect to be
back home in a few days.

Most of Big Basin Redwoods State Park and Little Basin were destroyed.
None the historic buildings are left. Henry Cowell Park is untouched.
The nearby Fall Creek Park is mostly burned over. See my collections
of
info links. Some spotty areas survived, but none of the fire maps
offer sufficient detail to show them. If you\'re interested in a
particular address or area, try:
https://sccgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5461c7f372e24ab68ca386e73d58e35a
for damage inspection results:

Presently, I\'ve been evacuated. I setup housekeeping in my formerly
palatial office in Santa Cruz.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/Office-2020-08-29.jpg
I had given the landlord notice and was scheduled to be out of the
office on Monday, so the office was almost empty when I arrived. I\'ve
been spending most of my time keeping track of the fire, posting
explanations of how things work to neighbors on Nexdoor.com, acting as
self appointed public info officer, and making some rather bad
predictions. Some accumulated info links at:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/
Water might be a problem. Too soon to tell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijMv6hk1Zc

My office is next to the San Lorenzo River. At one point, it was
decided that the fire might enter the city via the brush growing in
the river. Unlikely, but possible if the winds and very hot weather
continued. It was therefore possible that the area around my office
would be evacuated. That meant that I had my car loaded and packed
for a quick escape to parts unknown with minimal notice. At one
point, the fog trapped the smoke from the fire in the adjacent river
canyon. It was awful, so I went to Costco and bought a Winix C535 air
purifier. That helped.

I managed to squeeze in a few computer repairs. All were unsuccessful
because all my tools, software, and spare parts were in my house in
Ben Lomond. It didn\'t help that I was also a nearly sleepless and a
rather nervous wreck, while the computer owners were no better.

Drivel: It\'s amazing that a large number of residents didn\'t think of
calling their home telephone answering machine to see if their house
still had phone and power service, which is a good indication that the
house is likely to be intact. I had to repeat this suggestion many
times.

Also, I was into \"car camping\" when I was a teenager in Smog Angeles.
Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead were my hangouts. I liked it so much that
when I finally decided to buy a house, it was in an area that looked
much likg Big Bear.

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[John Robertson]

On 2020/08/29 8:38 a.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:35:18 -0700, etpm@whidbey.com wrote:

Greetings Jeff,
I grew up in Cupertino and Saratoga. I spent most of my summers
when I was a teen in the Santa Cruz Mountains. We used to hitch hike
from Saratoga to Los Gatos and then to Santa Cruz to enjoy the
beaches. Camped in all sorts of places in the Santa Cruz Mountains
that were not actually campgrounds, but just places where we wouldn\'t
get caught. Also Big Basin and Henry Cowell state parks.
Now there are all these fires in your area. It\'s making me
heartsick. I hope you are OK.
Sincererly,
Eric

Thanks for asking. I\'m ok and my house in Ben Lomond is ok. The fire
burned to within 1500 ft of my house. My house is the blue marker:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/Jackson%20Ave%202020-08-29.pdf
I haven\'t seen it yet. I expect everything to be covered with a thin
layer of ash. The area is being slowly \"repopulated\". I expect to be
back home in a few days.

Most of Big Basin Redwoods State Park and Little Basin were destroyed.
None the historic buildings are left. Henry Cowell Park is untouched.
The nearby Fall Creek Park is mostly burned over. See my collections
of
info links. Some spotty areas survived, but none of the fire maps
offer sufficient detail to show them. If you\'re interested in a
particular address or area, try:
https://sccgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5461c7f372e24ab68ca386e73d58e35a
for damage inspection results:

Presently, I\'ve been evacuated. I setup housekeeping in my formerly
palatial office in Santa Cruz.
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/Office-2020-08-29.jpg
I had given the landlord notice and was scheduled to be out of the
office on Monday, so the office was almost empty when I arrived. I\'ve
been spending most of my time keeping track of the fire, posting
explanations of how things work to neighbors on Nexdoor.com, acting as
self appointed public info officer, and making some rather bad
predictions. Some accumulated info links at:
http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/CZU-Fire/
Water might be a problem. Too soon to tell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijMv6hk1Zc

My office is next to the San Lorenzo River. At one point, it was
decided that the fire might enter the city via the brush growing in
the river. Unlikely, but possible if the winds and very hot weather
continued. It was therefore possible that the area around my office
would be evacuated. That meant that I had my car loaded and packed
for a quick escape to parts unknown with minimal notice. At one
point, the fog trapped the smoke from the fire in the adjacent river
canyon. It was awful, so I went to Costco and bought a Winix C535 air
purifier. That helped.

I managed to squeeze in a few computer repairs. All were unsuccessful
because all my tools, software, and spare parts were in my house in
Ben Lomond. It didn\'t help that I was also a nearly sleepless and a
rather nervous wreck, while the computer owners were no better.

Drivel: It\'s amazing that a large number of residents didn\'t think of
calling their home telephone answering machine to see if their house
still had phone and power service, which is a good indication that the
house is likely to be intact. I had to repeat this suggestion many
times.

Also, I was into \"car camping\" when I was a teenager in Smog Angeles.
Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead were my hangouts. I liked it so much that
when I finally decided to buy a house, it was in an area that looked
much likg Big Bear.

Hi Jeff,

When/if you get a new roof you may want to consider a metal one - if you
don\'t already have that...and clear all brush around your home.

A friend of mine lives in the mountains of BC and is a fire warden for
his area along with other residents. They all have metal roofs on their
homes, but with so much timber it may be pointless extra protection..

Glad you are OK.

John :-#)#

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 10:33:43 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

When/if you get a new roof you may want to consider a metal one - if you
don\'t already have that...and clear all brush around your home.

Part of my house has a flat roof. Corrugated metal roofs don\'t work
very well with a low slope roof line. Also, I lived in a trailer with
a metal roof for a time. I really didn\'t enjoy trying to sleep in the
rain, which sounded like loud banging inside a drum. However, a metal
roof is the standard recommendation for fire proofing a house in the
forest. There are also financial considerations which I don\'t want to
discuss.

As for brush, there is plenty around me. The house is on a steep 45
degree slope. The idea behind defensible space is so the fire
fighters can being in equipment put out a fire. It gives them room to
work. That\'s not going to happen on a steep slope. I\'ll probably do
a better job of brush removal, but that\'s not going to be even close
to the recommended 100 ft defensible space.
<https://www.fire.ca.gov/programs/communications/defensible-space-prc-4291/>
incidentally, my lot is about 50 x 85ft. With such small lots, 100ft
of defensible space is ludicrous because it would require a 2 acre lot
to fit a typical 1500 sq-ft house.

A friend of mine lives in the mountains of BC and is a fire warden for
his area along with other residents. They all have metal roofs on their
homes, but with so much timber it may be pointless extra protection..

I have redwood decks located around the outside of the house in
various locations. Should I switch to synthetic decking or more
likely, a concrete patio? Maybe corrugated metal decking or diamond
plate? No thanks.

>Glad you are OK.

I\'m ok for now, but there are big problems on the horizon. For
example, I had planned to finance my retirement with a reverse
mortgage, which uses the value of the house for collateral on a loan.
The problem is no loan company or bank is going to loan me money
unless I pay for 100% replacement cost insurance on the house. If I
fail to pay, or the insurance company cancels, they foreclose on the
loan. So much for my retirement. I\'ll probably end up working until
I drop dead just to support my various insurance policies.

When I bought the house in 1973(?), I knew about the risk of fire.
Actually, earthquake was considered to be a greater risk at the time.
We\'ve had a few local brush fires, but the redwoods lived up to their
reputation of being almost fireproof. However, the current fire had
100F temperatures and far too much forest floor debris, which caused
the redwood to burn quite easily. There are were also 300+ lightning
fires scattered all over the state. The odds of that happening
simultaneously again are very small and might be sufficient to justify
living with the risk.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Drivel: It\'s amazing that a large number of residents didn\'t think of
calling their home telephone answering machine to see if their house
still had phone and power service, which is a good indication that the
house is likely to be intact. I had to repeat this suggestion many
times.

How many people still have home answering machines instead of using the
telco\'s voicemail service? Many like me don\'t even have a landline. (In
the last few years all it got was wrong numbers because everyone calls
the cell.)

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

We still have a landline, with a Panasonic system consisting of wireless handsets and an answering machine. Several reasons:

a) It\'s cheap - incremental cost of $20/month as part of a package.
b) Everyone, past and present, knows it - the number is 42 years old.
c) And, please check it out, in some cases, the lack of a landline can affect credit-rating, and a very old landline number has a positive effect.

Yes, it has a battery back-up on-site.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Percival P. Cassidy]

On 9/11/20 10:17 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

We still have a landline, with a Panasonic system consisting of wireless handsets and an answering machine. Several reasons:

a) It\'s cheap - incremental cost of $20/month as part of a package.
b) Everyone, past and present, knows it - the number is 42 years old.
c) And, please check it out, in some cases, the lack of a landline can affect credit-rating, and a very old landline number has a positive effect.

Yes, it has a battery back-up on-site.

We have one of those Panasonic multi-handset systems that also serves as
an intercom system.

Our \"landline\" number was ported from AT&T to \"T-Mobile@Home\" add-on (no
longer available) to our cell-phone service, and then to Google Voice
and connects to that Panasonic system via an Obihai box.

We switched our cell-phone service from T-Mobile to Google Fi, which
works fine for us but is not cost-effective for everyone.

Perce

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:59:53 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Drivel: It\'s amazing that a large number of residents didn\'t think of
calling their home telephone answering machine to see if their house
still had phone and power service, which is a good indication that the
house is likely to be intact. I had to repeat this suggestion many
times.

How many people still have home answering machines instead of using the
telco\'s voicemail service?

Among the people I know, anyone with a cordless phone. The base
station usually includes an answering machine feature. The main draw
is that with an answering machine, you don\'t have to pay the phone
company extra for the voice mail service. However, that applies only
to people with POTS (plain old telephone service) lines. Those who
use VoIP service, rarely have answering machines because the voicemail
feature is usually bundled with the VoIP service. Also, I don\'t think
anyone makes a SIP phone instrument with a built in answering machine.

Many like me don\'t even have a landline. (In
the last few years all it got was wrong numbers because everyone calls
the cell.)

I closed my office (note the change in the .signature) on Sept 1, and
am now working from home. I now have a VoIP line for the business
(future-nine.com), AT&T POTS for the house, several computers, and a
Roku 3 streaming player, all sharing a single 1.5Mbit/sec DSL line.
Overloaded would be a good description and I obviously need more
bandwidth. Having the POTS line has some financial advantages. I\'ll
need to make some changes fairly soon, possibly including the removal
of the answering machine.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Fox\'s Mercantile]

On 9/11/20 3:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Among the people I know, anyone with a cordless phone. The base
station usually includes an answering machine feature. The main draw
is that with an answering machine, you don\'t have to pay the phone
company extra for the voice mail service. However, that applies only
to people with POTS (plain old telephone service) lines. Those who
use VoIP service, rarely have answering machines because the voicemail
feature is usually bundled with the VoIP service. Also, I don\'t think
anyone makes a SIP phone instrument with a built in answering machine.

I run an Asterisk PC based PBX.
I have an AT&T copper line, and a VoIP line.
And I have an AT&T cordless/answering machine for the AT&T phone line.
Everything, including the LAN is backed up for at least 24 hours on
batteries.
I use predominately Digium D40 phones, but have several analog phones
and two FAX machines.

*laughs* Like you, I love to over complicate things.



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WA6FWi
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[Ralph Mowery]

In article <umlnlfpp01999thfa8amc87hu51hmsdok1@4ax.com>,
jeffl@cruzio.com says...

Among the people I know, anyone with a cordless phone. The base
station usually includes an answering machine feature. The main draw
is that with an answering machine, you don\'t have to pay the phone
company extra for the voice mail service. However, that applies only
to people with POTS (plain old telephone service) lines. Those who
use VoIP service, rarely have answering machines because the voicemail
feature is usually bundled with the VoIP service. Also, I don\'t think
anyone makes a SIP phone instrument with a built in answering machine.

It looks like the POTS would get with the program. They usually charge
extra for many things that are \'free\' with other services.

My POTS was over $ 40 a month by the time the 911 long distance and a
few other basic services. I did not have caller ID or any other
preamium service.

I switched to the phone with internet service for $ 19 a month. I got
caller ID, free long distance, it even rings my cell phone at the same
time. Not sure what else as I do not use the phone much. I would be
better off with a pay phone and paying 25 cents a call.

I can see where someone that has a business has different needs,but for
the ordanry service, the POTS is putting their selves out of business.

 

[Eli the Bearded]

In sci.electronics.repair,
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

How many people still have home answering machines instead of using the
telco\'s voicemail service? Many like me don\'t even have a landline.

I have both. The cordless phone came with answering machine
functionality. The VOIP from Sonic comes with voicemail service.

There are two humans who regularly call the house number, both are over
70 years old. The house number is also the one that regularly gets given
out for all things \"needing\" a phone number. San Francisco Unified
School District and politicians in voting season both robocall it. The
SFUSD calls are usually not junk. The political ones always are. It\'s
somewhat easy to screen calls both with caller ID and with listening to
the message someone has started to leave. With telco voicemail only
caller ID can be used for that.

The telco voicemail answers when calls come in while the phone is in
use, and the cordless phone displays a \"new voicemail\" message
afterwards. This happens about twice a year. I consistently have to
look up how to check the telco voicemail.

Elijah
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[David Lesher]

Glad to hear you are unscathed.

I was a visitor there for many weeks ~5 years ago and
periodically since.

I only got up 9 as far as CalFire for a meeting with them there.
But was regularly up Eureka Canyon to Summit and along it.

Did Roaring Camp survive?
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[David Lesher]

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:59:53 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"

I closed my office (note the change in the .signature) on Sept 1, and
am now working from home. I now have a VoIP line for the business
(future-nine.com), AT&T POTS for the house, several computers, and a
Roku 3 streaming player, all sharing a single 1.5Mbit/sec DSL line.
Overloaded would be a good description and I obviously need more
bandwidth.

I looked seriously at Etheric Networks, the WISP on the
Mt. Madonna tower. It was the only option. My client/friend
ended up upgrading his employment & moved to the Seattle region.

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[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 10:17:15 AM UTC-4, Peter Wieck wrote:

We still have a landline, with a Panasonic system consisting of wireless handsets and an answering machine. Several reasons:

a) It\'s cheap - incremental cost of $20/month as part of a package.
b) Everyone, past and present, knows it - the number is 42 years old.
c) And, please check it out, in some cases, the lack of a landline can affect credit-rating, and a very old landline number has a positive effect.

Yes, it has a battery back-up on-site.

There is no landline service to my street, since Hurricane Irma. It took out a power pole at the end of the street, along with a Centurylink pedestal. The pole was replaced. The pedestal wasn\'t. Apparenntly the wires were buried since there was no DC on the line after the utilites were \'restored\'. I had that number for about 15 years. The Hughesnet Satellite Internet doesn\'t work with the Magic Jack number that I\'ve had for 10 years. There is no cell service inside the house. I have to go outside and hunt for a spot to make a call. That died a few days ago, so I\'m waiting fo a new cellphone to be delivered. The LG Tribute 2 had a 29% charge. A few minutes later it showed 1%, I bought it just before Irma, but the cell towers were so overloaded that it was useless from the county\'s shelter for the disabled.