Pic 16F84A Programming

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EartheQue

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All right, I don't know much about electronics so try to bear with me
here. I got all the stuff I need to program a Pic hardware wise, but I
swear to god I have had it with the programs. CDLite and Epicwin and
all that stuff basically sucks. Everything costs money, or is a crappy
trial and all I want to do is program a damn Pic in Picbasic. Every
program I get is missing files or is for the wrong OS (I'm on XP). I
don't know C, C+ or anything but I do know how to work in DOS well. Is
there hope for me? Can anybody help me out?

Thanks,
Nick
 
EartheQue wrote:
All right, I don't know much about electronics so try to bear with me
here. I got all the stuff I need to program a Pic hardware wise, but I
swear to god I have had it with the programs. CDLite and Epicwin and
all that stuff basically sucks. Everything costs money, or is a crappy
trial and all I want to do is program a damn Pic in Picbasic. Every
program I get is missing files or is for the wrong OS (I'm on XP). I
don't know C, C+ or anything but I do know how to work in DOS well. Is
there hope for me? Can anybody help me out?

Thanks,
Nick
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Well, you could drop picbasic and use assembler. The PIC only has 33
opcodes, and the architecture is pretty simple. The free tools from
microchip are sufficient for this. There are flash tutorials on their
site to teach you how to do this, not to mention lots of patient folks
and code samples on www.piclist.com.

If you really can't get this far, then you can go for the stamp
architecture, which has everything layed out for you, at a price.

--
Regards,
Bob Monsen
 
"EartheQue" <marcusyu005@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5e02fe76.0409291942.6ace530a@posting.google.com...
All right, I don't know much about electronics so try to bear with me
here. I got all the stuff I need to program a Pic hardware wise, but I
swear to god I have had it with the programs. CDLite and Epicwin and
all that stuff basically sucks. Everything costs money, or is a crappy
trial and all I want to do is program a damn Pic in Picbasic. Every
program I get is missing files or is for the wrong OS (I'm on XP). I
don't know C, C+ or anything but I do know how to work in DOS well. Is
there hope for me? Can anybody help me out?
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Hi,

First, you have to get yourself a programmer, that means the device wich
will program your PIC and the software that controls it. I suggest you to
take a look at this web site : http://www.ic-prog.com/index1.htm . This
software is great. On the page you will find many low cost programmer
hadware schematics that you can build yourself if you're willing to do some
soldering (or prototyping).
Personnaly, I use the free Microchip MPLAB IDE available on their website
www.microchip.com . This software supports asm and picbasic (I think).
There is also a simulator included in this software.

Once your .hex is builded with mplab, you use ic-prog and the programmer
you've built to upload your program in the PIC.

Do some googleing about pic programming, you'll find a lot of information on
the web.

Mortel.
 
I understand your frustration.

For what it is worth, I chose, a couple of years ago, to opt to purchase the
MatrixMultimedia PIC development board plus the C programming package. I
should add that I was familiar with the C language. Total cost ran about
$200. After playing around with the system and running through the tutorial
I put it aside. Anyway, a couple of months ago I dusted it off and I
started on a couple of ambitious projects, one of which is a PIC controlled
electronic ignition system. Programming in a High Level language (HOL) like
C has enabled me to develop programs quickly and effectively.

Using a HOL I was able to make program changes, load the latest version on
the PIC, pop the PIC out of the ZIF socket and into the engine controller
and test it out in a rapid development mode. I believe that the $200 was
very well spent.




"EartheQue" <marcusyu005@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5e02fe76.0409291942.6ace530a@posting.google.com...
All right, I don't know much about electronics so try to bear with me
here. I got all the stuff I need to program a Pic hardware wise, but I
swear to god I have had it with the programs. CDLite and Epicwin and
all that stuff basically sucks. Everything costs money, or is a crappy
trial and all I want to do is program a damn Pic in Picbasic. Every
program I get is missing files or is for the wrong OS (I'm on XP). I
don't know C, C+ or anything but I do know how to work in DOS well. Is
there hope for me? Can anybody help me out?

Thanks,
Nick
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"EartheQue" <marcusyu005@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5e02fe76.0409291942.6ace530a@posting.google.com...
All right, I don't know much about electronics so try to bear with me
here. I got all the stuff I need to program a Pic hardware wise, but I
swear to god I have had it with the programs. CDLite and Epicwin and
all that stuff basically sucks. Everything costs money, or is a crappy
trial and all I want to do is program a damn Pic in Picbasic. Every
program I get is missing files or is for the wrong OS (I'm on XP). I
don't know C, C+ or anything but I do know how to work in DOS well. Is
there hope for me? Can anybody help me out?

Thanks,
Nick
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Nick, it sounds to me like you're in the right state of mind for moving to
full machine code.
Take total control and feel the raw power of these chips. Download the MPLAB
assembler from Microchip and use that.
There's about 30 native PIC machine code instructions to play with. They've
not really a great difference from the Basic Commands you want to prog' with
anyway.
The resulting quality of your prog' will be entirely down to you and not
some third parties, naff, buggy software.
(BTW, the good 'ole 16F84 is now little used. The similar but much enhanced
16F628 version, is the starter chip of choice).
regards
john
 
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