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In article <51jjnvolcltiosqi5j8h4k5spmctvig47o@4ax.com>, Orange
<orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> writes
Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?
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There is no 'best' program. It all depend on how you want to
originate the circuit (schematic, pin list or just draw the
traces), need to simulate, need to auto-route, single sided,
double sided or multi-layer/powerplanes, and output styles
required (photoplotting and CNC or a laser print output for
kitchen sink production).
You maybe ought to post more idea of what you are trying to
make to get detailed views.

Terry Pinnell maintains a list of 60 or so CAD packages with
brief outlines, which you can find at
http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html

My own offering can be found at either of
http://www.vutrax.co.uk (Main UK site for Vutrax CAD)
http://www.protonique.com/vutrax (Central Europe Mirror)
and is free up to 256 pins
--
Roy Battell.
To use this address remove the digits included to remove Spam ...
Mail: <news@vutrax666.co.uk>
 
do you mean best ? or best free ??

the two are distinctively different :)
Simon

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> wrote in message
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> Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?
 
Protel if you can afford it. I think it's only about $8000 now.

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> wrote in message
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> Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?
 
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:27:29 -0600, "Jesse O. Glidden" <x@xxx.com>
wrote:

Protel if you can afford it. I think it's only about $8000 now.

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> wrote in message
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Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?

I ordered free trial version of it but it hasn't come yet. Have you
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tried ordering it?
 
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:52:40 +0100, Roy Battell <news@vutrax666.co.uk>
wrote:

In article <51jjnvolcltiosqi5j8h4k5spmctvig47o@4ax.com>, Orange
orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> writes
Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?

There is no 'best' program. It all depend on how you want to
originate the circuit (schematic, pin list or just draw the
traces), need to simulate, need to auto-route, single sided,
double sided or multi-layer/powerplanes, and output styles
required (photoplotting and CNC or a laser print output for
kitchen sink production).
You maybe ought to post more idea of what you are trying to
make to get detailed views.

Terry Pinnell maintains a list of 60 or so CAD packages with
brief outlines, which you can find at
http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html

My own offering can be found at either of
http://www.vutrax.co.uk (Main UK site for Vutrax CAD)
http://www.protonique.com/vutrax (Central Europe Mirror)
and is free up to 256 pins
Thanks. I need it for a very simple PCB. It has one PIC16f84 and a
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couple of capacitors. (single sided)
 
In article <kgbtnvgu8609hs7i8ha8kgc50ml9egqknk@4ax.com>, Orange
<orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_SPAM_> writes
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:27:29 -0600, "Jesse O. Glidden" <x@xxx.com
wrote:

Protel if you can afford it. I think it's only about $8000 now.

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> wrote in message
news:51jjnvolcltiosqi5j8h4k5spmctvig47o@4ax.com...
Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?

I ordered free trial version of it but it hasn't come yet. Have you
tried ordering it?
I think that Eagle is the beast and easiest to use free trial.
Click to expand...
Have produced single sided panels for surface mount .
--
ddwyer
 
Mostly the trial Protel version is downloaded.. I don't think as many people
ask for CD's except right after the release so they may take a while.

Simon


"ddwyer" <dd@ddwyer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <kgbtnvgu8609hs7i8ha8kgc50ml9egqknk@4ax.com>, Orange
orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_SPAM_> writes
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:27:29 -0600, "Jesse O. Glidden" <x@xxx.com
wrote:

Protel if you can afford it. I think it's only about $8000 now.

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> wrote in message
news:51jjnvolcltiosqi5j8h4k5spmctvig47o@4ax.com...
Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?

I ordered free trial version of it but it hasn't come yet. Have you
tried ordering it?
I think that Eagle is the beast and easiest to use free trial.
Have produced single sided panels for surface mount .
--
ddwyer
Click to expand...
 
In article <1ibtnv8rqf2uk845dlhd281vv3u4gau25f@4ax.com>, Orange
<orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_SPAM_> writes
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:52:40 +0100, Roy Battell <news@vutrax666.co.uk
wrote:

In article <51jjnvolcltiosqi5j8h4k5spmctvig47o@4ax.com>, Orange
orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> writes
Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?

There is no 'best' program. It all depend on how you want to
originate the circuit (schematic, pin list or just draw the
traces), need to simulate, need to auto-route, single sided,
double sided or multi-layer/powerplanes, and output styles
required (photoplotting and CNC or a laser print output for
kitchen sink production).
You maybe ought to post more idea of what you are trying to
make to get detailed views.

Terry Pinnell maintains a list of 60 or so CAD packages with
brief outlines, which you can find at
http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html

My own offering can be found at either of
http://www.vutrax.co.uk (Main UK site for Vutrax CAD)
http://www.protonique.com/vutrax (Central Europe Mirror)
and is free up to 256 pins

Thanks. I need it for a very simple PCB. It has one PIC16f84 and a
couple of capacitors. (single sided)

Is this a one off?
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If so you would be better off looking at stripboard (aka Veroboard)
which can produce reliable (if often untidy) one-offs with just
a soldering iron and knife.
In case you have never seen it Stripboard consists of single
sided copper strips with a compete matrix of drilled holes.
You cut the strips where necessary and put in wire links.
You will want 0.1 inch pitch board.
To use Surface mount parts use a carrier.
--
Roy Battell.
To use this address remove the digits included to remove Spam ...
Mail: news@vutrax666.co.uk
 
Roy Battell <news@vutrax666.co.uk> wrote:


Is this a one off?
If so you would be better off looking at stripboard (aka Veroboard)
which can produce reliable (if often untidy) one-offs with just
a soldering iron and knife.
In case you have never seen it Stripboard consists of single
sided copper strips with a compete matrix of drilled holes.
You cut the strips where necessary and put in wire links.
You will want 0.1 inch pitch board.
To use Surface mount parts use a carrier.
Click to expand...
After an e-mailed suggestion from Abdullah Eyles in Ankara, Turkey, I
recently added LochMaster, a program for Veroboard/Stripboard layouts,
to my ECAD list at
http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html

Terry Pinnell
Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK
 
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:48:55 +0100, ddwyer <dd@ddwyer.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

In article <kgbtnvgu8609hs7i8ha8kgc50ml9egqknk@4ax.com>, Orange
orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_SPAM_> writes
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:27:29 -0600, "Jesse O. Glidden" <x@xxx.com
wrote:

Protel if you can afford it. I think it's only about $8000 now.

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_> wrote in message
news:51jjnvolcltiosqi5j8h4k5spmctvig47o@4ax.com...
Whats the best program for drawing printed circuit boards?

I ordered free trial version of it but it hasn't come yet. Have you
tried ordering it?
I think that Eagle is the beast and easiest to use free trial.
Have produced single sided panels for surface mount .
Can it save PCB in *.tif or any similar format?
Click to expand...
 
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:38:50 +1300, "Simon Peacock"
<nowhere@to.be.found> wrote:

Mostly the trial Protel version is downloaded.. I don't think as many people
ask for CD's except right after the release so they may take a while.

Simon

I have just found out they don't ship to my country... #$%!
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so.. get on the web and register for a download.. wont take more than a day
or two :)

Simon

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_SPAM_> wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:38:50 +1300, "Simon Peacock"
nowhere@to.be.found> wrote:

Mostly the trial Protel version is downloaded.. I don't think as many
people
ask for CD's except right after the release so they may take a while.

Simon

I have just found out they don't ship to my country... #$%!
Click to expand...
 
In article <3f810fa4$1@news.actrix.gen.nz>, Simon Peacock
<nowhere@to.be.found> writes
so.. get on the web and register for a download.. wont take more than a day
or two :)

Simon

"Orange" <orange@drenik.net_REMOVE_SPAM_> wrote in message
news:t250ov4gajklvg68h32vqqt0jd8egi53tc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:38:50 +1300, "Simon Peacock"
nowhere@to.be.found> wrote:

Mostly the trial Protel version is downloaded.. I don't think as many
people
ask for CD's except right after the release so they may take a while.

Simon

I have just found out they don't ship to my country... #$%!


Or give Vutrax a try. All downloadable at about 10MB the lot
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in a few files so you don't have to do it all in one go. Should
take be a couple of hours at the most. The 256 pin free limit
ought to be enough for your small project.
For Stripboard (Veroboard) there is a supplementary Software
Advice Note (SAN 206) obtainable from the support section of
the web sites, that outlines methods available for handling
these prototyping boards with or without schematic entry.
http://www.vutrax.co.uk (Main UK site)
http://www.protonique.com/vutrax (Central Europe Mirror)
--
Click to expand...
Roy Battell.
To use this address remove the digits included to remove Spam ...
Mail: news@vutrax666.co.uk
 
I think that Eagle is the beast and easiest to use free trial.
Have produced single sided panels for surface mount .
Can it save PCB in *.tif or any similar format?
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Yes (.bmp). I find it useful to save in this format and then
assemble a number of small PCBs together to make a
bigger layout.

M Cowlishaw
 
The way http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html
renders under my Netscape-based browser (Mozilla 1.4) has problems.

The AUTOTRAX EDA header overwrites the atlc description.

The WINBOARD / WINDRAFT header
overwrites the Last updated: October 01, 2003 text.

Both appear to be related to a change in font size.
 
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