Parameterized Schematic Instances?

[Spaceghost]

Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic instances.
For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place many
instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on the
properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead of
correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create way
too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence before
but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

 

[Erik Wanta]

Marc:
Use pPar() instead of pParam().
---
Erik

"Spaceghost" <nospam@postingroup.com> wrote in message news:<xHEOc.86589$Np3.4131544@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...

Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic instances.
For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place many
instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on the
properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead of
correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create way
too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence before
but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

 

[Spaceghost]

Oops, I guess I just made a mistake somewhere...the procedure was
right.

Here's a summary of how to make parameterized schematic instances for
future explorers:

Create a schematic. Fill in pPar("nwidth"), instead of a number like
you usually would. pPar is a command to look for and use the "nwidth"
parameter at the next level "up". Create a symbol from the cellview.
This will automatically add the nwidth parameter to the CDF.

Now when you go to place the symbol, you can edit its properties...it
has the property 'nwidth'.

Also, in the symbol editing view, add the label [@nwidth] to display
the value of nwidth whenever the symbol instance is placed.

Marc

"Spaceghost" <nospam@postingroup.com> wrote in message news:<xHEOc.86589$Np3.4131544@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...

Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic instances.
For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place many
instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on the
properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead of
correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create way
too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence before
but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

 

[Spaceghost]

Hmm, I wish I could help but don't really know what the goal is.

Marc

"oghdayan" <oghdayan_AT@xs4all_dot.nl> wrote in message
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Spaceghost wrote:
Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic
instances.
For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place
many
instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on
the
properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead
of
correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create
way
too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence
before
but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

Hi Marc,
I wish to make stg related, but slightly more complicated: a schematic
with N series resistors.
The resistors could come from any PDK. The symbol would have a
annotation with the cell name of the PDK resistor, and either nominal
resistance or current.
I suppose this can be done with a pcell schematic view, but if any of
you have more precise ideas to kickstart me, that would be welcome.

 

[oghdayan]

Spaceghost wrote:

Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic instances.
For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place many
instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on the
properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead of
correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create way
too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence before
but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

Hi Marc,
I wish to make stg related, but slightly more complicated: a schematic
with N series resistors.
The resistors could come from any PDK. The symbol would have a
annotation with the cell name of the PDK resistor, and either nominal
resistance or current.
I suppose this can be done with a pcell schematic view, but if any of
you have more precise ideas to kickstart me, that would be welcome.

 

[fogh]

Spaceghost wrote:

Hmm, I wish I could help but don't really know what the goal is.
Have a versatile symbol for placing foundry resistors in series. The PDK resistors very often do not support a parameter for number of series elements ( or "number of fingers" ). And when they do, it is often necessary to avoid using it because the layouter want something else than what the pcell generates. As a design house, we are not supposed to mess with the PDK, so it is not really possible to simply add the CDF and put support for this in model files, decks, netlisters, etc.

This results in schematics that have "shish kebabs" of resistors, unreadable, ugly, not maintainable. Of course the situation could be helped if the fonts in composer had been chosen more carefully. It is easy to read a schematic with 50 devices on screen when using microsim schematic, but it is a tour-de-force with composer.

Anyway, the best solution I can see is a schematic generating cell that has 4 parameters: lib/cell/view, and number of series elemements. After that the property form of the instanced PDK resistor would pop-up, and when OK'ed, the schematic be created.

"oghdayan" <oghdayan_AT@xs4all_dot.nl> wrote in message
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Spaceghost wrote:

Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic

instances.

For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place

many

instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on

the

properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead

of

correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create

way

too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence

before

but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

Hi Marc,
I wish to make stg related, but slightly more complicated: a schematic
with N series resistors.
The resistors could come from any PDK. The symbol would have a
annotation with the cell name of the PDK resistor, and either nominal
resistance or current.
I suppose this can be done with a pcell schematic view, but if any of
you have more precise ideas to kickstart me, that would be welcome.

 

[Andrew Beckett]

I've always done this with a schematic pcell. The schematic pcell doesn't need
to have the graphical information for the wiring, just the connectivity.
Something like the following. Of course, this assumes that the PDK's resistors
support pPar() at all - not all do because of the evil callbacks that they
sometimes employ.

Andrew.

let( (CellLibrary pcellId)
CellLibrary = "test"
unless( ddGetObj(CellLibrary)
error("Couldn't open library %L" CellLibrary)
)

pcellId = pcDefinePCell(
list( ddGetObj(CellLibrary) "rnsd" "schematic" "schematic" )

/**************************************************************************
/*
/* Default Parameters
/*

/***************************************************************************/
(
(ns "1")
)

let(( pcCV masterCv instName instId netP netM numInsts)


/*************************************************************************
/*
/* Get parameter values
/*

/************************************************************************/
pcCV = pcCellView

;; open master cell view
masterCv = dbOpenCellViewByType( "analogLib" "res" "symbol" nil "r" )

;; create the nets
netP=dbMakeNet(pcCV "PLUS")
netM=dbMakeNet(pcCV "MINUS")

;; create the terminals
dbCreateTerm(netP "PLUS" "inputOutput")
dbCreateTerm(netM "MINUS" "inputOutput")

numInsts=atoi(ns)
when(numInsts<1 numInsts=1)
for(inst 1 numInsts
if(inst==1 then
netP=dbMakeNet(pcCV "PLUS")
else
netP=dbMakeNet(pcCV sprintf(nil "net%d" inst-1))
) ; if
if(inst==numInsts then
netM=dbMakeNet(pcCV "MINUS")
else
netM=dbMakeNet(pcCV sprintf(nil "net%d" inst))
)

;; create instance
sprintf(instName "R%d" inst)
instId = dbCreateInst( pcCV masterCv instName (0:0) "R0" )
dbCreateProp(instId "r" "string" "pPar(\"r\")/pPar(\"ns\")")

;; create instTerms for the instance to connect it up
dbCreateInstTerm(netP instId dbFindTermByName(masterCv "PLUS"))
dbCreateInstTerm(netM instId dbFindTermByName(masterCv "MINUS"))

) ; for

dbClose( masterCv )
;; Always return true
t
) ; ** let **
)
dbSave(pcellId)
dbClose( pcellId )
) ; ** let **


On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:56:06 +0200, fogh
<cad_support@skipthisandunderscores.catena.nl> wrote:

Spaceghost wrote:
Hmm, I wish I could help but don't really know what the goal is.
Have a versatile symbol for placing foundry resistors in series. The PDK resistors very often do not support a parameter for number of series elements ( or "number of fingers" ). And when they do, it is often necessary to avoid using it because the layouter want something else than what the pcell generates. As a design house, we are not supposed to mess with the PDK, so it is not really possible to simply add the CDF and put support for this in model files, decks, netlisters, etc.
This results in schematics that have "shish kebabs" of resistors, unreadable, ugly, not maintainable. Of course the situation could be helped if the fonts in composer had been chosen more carefully. It is easy to read a schematic with 50 devices on screen when using microsim schematic, but it is a tour-de-force with composer.

Anyway, the best solution I can see is a schematic generating cell that has 4 parameters: lib/cell/view, and number of series elemements. After that the property form of the instanced PDK resistor would pop-up, and when OK'ed, the schematic be created.

"oghdayan" <oghdayan_AT@xs4all_dot.nl> wrote in message
news:410c36c0$0$139$e4fe514c@dreader19.news.xs4all.nl...

Spaceghost wrote:

Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic

instances.

For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place

many

instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on

the

properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead

of

correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create

way

too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence

before

but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

Hi Marc,
I wish to make stg related, but slightly more complicated: a schematic
with N series resistors.
The resistors could come from any PDK. The symbol would have a
annotation with the cell name of the PDK resistor, and either nominal
resistance or current.
I suppose this can be done with a pcell schematic view, but if any of
you have more precise ideas to kickstart me, that would be welcome.

--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd

 

[fogh]

Andrew,

that is a good starting point. I will try and make it work for any PDK, for example by using a "reference resistor instance". And maybe customise the displayed OP/MP data.

Andrew Beckett wrote:

I've always done this with a schematic pcell. The schematic pcell doesn't need
to have the graphical information for the wiring, just the connectivity.
Something like the following. Of course, this assumes that the PDK's resistors
support pPar() at all - not all do because of the evil callbacks that they
sometimes employ.

Andrew.

let( (CellLibrary pcellId)
CellLibrary = "test"
unless( ddGetObj(CellLibrary)
error("Couldn't open library %L" CellLibrary)
)

pcellId = pcDefinePCell(
list( ddGetObj(CellLibrary) "rnsd" "schematic" "schematic" )

/**************************************************************************
/*
/* Default Parameters
/*

/***************************************************************************/
(
(ns "1")
)

let(( pcCV masterCv instName instId netP netM numInsts)


/*************************************************************************
/*
/* Get parameter values
/*

/************************************************************************/
pcCV = pcCellView

;; open master cell view
masterCv = dbOpenCellViewByType( "analogLib" "res" "symbol" nil "r" )

;; create the nets
netP=dbMakeNet(pcCV "PLUS")
netM=dbMakeNet(pcCV "MINUS")

;; create the terminals
dbCreateTerm(netP "PLUS" "inputOutput")
dbCreateTerm(netM "MINUS" "inputOutput")

numInsts=atoi(ns)
when(numInsts<1 numInsts=1)
for(inst 1 numInsts
if(inst==1 then
netP=dbMakeNet(pcCV "PLUS")
else
netP=dbMakeNet(pcCV sprintf(nil "net%d" inst-1))
) ; if
if(inst==numInsts then
netM=dbMakeNet(pcCV "MINUS")
else
netM=dbMakeNet(pcCV sprintf(nil "net%d" inst))
)

;; create instance
sprintf(instName "R%d" inst)
instId = dbCreateInst( pcCV masterCv instName (0:0) "R0" )
dbCreateProp(instId "r" "string" "pPar(\"r\")/pPar(\"ns\")")

;; create instTerms for the instance to connect it up
dbCreateInstTerm(netP instId dbFindTermByName(masterCv "PLUS"))
dbCreateInstTerm(netM instId dbFindTermByName(masterCv "MINUS"))

) ; for

dbClose( masterCv )
;; Always return true
t
) ; ** let **
)
dbSave(pcellId)
dbClose( pcellId )
) ; ** let **


On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:56:06 +0200, fogh
cad_support@skipthisandunderscores.catena.nl> wrote:


Spaceghost wrote:

Hmm, I wish I could help but don't really know what the goal is.

Have a versatile symbol for placing foundry resistors in series. The PDK resistors very often do not support a parameter for number of series elements ( or "number of fingers" ). And when they do, it is often necessary to avoid using it because the layouter want something else than what the pcell generates. As a design house, we are not supposed to mess with the PDK, so it is not really possible to simply add the CDF and put support for this in model files, decks, netlisters, etc.
This results in schematics that have "shish kebabs" of resistors, unreadable, ugly, not maintainable. Of course the situation could be helped if the fonts in composer had been chosen more carefully. It is easy to read a schematic with 50 devices on screen when using microsim schematic, but it is a tour-de-force with composer.

Anyway, the best solution I can see is a schematic generating cell that has 4 parameters: lib/cell/view, and number of series elemements. After that the property form of the instanced PDK resistor would pop-up, and when OK'ed, the schematic be created.


"oghdayan" <oghdayan_AT@xs4all_dot.nl> wrote in message
news:410c36c0$0$139$e4fe514c@dreader19.news.xs4all.nl...


Spaceghost wrote:


Hi, I'm trying to find out how to make parameterized schematic

instances.


For example, I would like to create an inverter and be able to place

many


instances that all have different transistor aspect ratios, settable on

the


properties dialog for the instance.

I've tried filling in pParam("nwidth") for the nfet width. This then
appears in the CDF when I go to make a symbol. When I place an inverter
instance in the schematic, I can specify the nwidth parameter. However,
when Spectre netlists the instance, it set w=pParam("nwidth"), instead

of


correctly placing a number in the netlist.

Anyhow, I'm sure this is a common thing, otherwise you've have to create

way


too many different schematics. In fact, I used this setup in Cadence

before


but don't remember exactly how it's done.

Help! Thanks!

Marc

Hi Marc,
I wish to make stg related, but slightly more complicated: a schematic
with N series resistors.
The resistors could come from any PDK. The symbol would have a
annotation with the cell name of the PDK resistor, and either nominal
resistance or current.
I suppose this can be done with a pcell schematic view, but if any of
you have more precise ideas to kickstart me, that would be welcome.