OT: Zero Covid Policy (ZCP)...

[Ed Lee]

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

 

[Don Y]

On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.

No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.

Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.

Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.

In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.

Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

Estimates of 1/3 to
1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death
rate.

In dense urban centers one would expect it to spread rapidly.
Especially if people are eager to \"get out\".

But, reports that I\'ve seen suggest people are self-isolating
to *avoid* infection.

As to fatality rate... 1% of what number? *Who* is counting? (W.H.O.?)

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic
problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per
communist doctrine.

I would imagine exposure, vaccination and availability of care will determine
which slice of the population takes the hit -- and in which parts of the
country.

It would definitely \"look bad\" for lots of \"excess deaths\" -- even if not
OFFICIALLY counted as covid-related -- were apparent to the populace.
You can lie to the international community but folks on the ground
will notice if lots of people *seem* to be dying, suddenly. And, they
are the people you have to worry about (foreign gummits aren\'t going
to try to overthrow a regime but a dissatisfied populace might
demand change!)

> PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

What are we supposed to say? Give us verifiable numbers to react to,
not hyperbole.

 

[Don Y]

On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.

No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.

Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.

Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.

In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.

Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

Estimates of 1/3 to
1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death
rate.

In dense urban centers one would expect it to spread rapidly.
Especially if people are eager to \"get out\".

But, reports that I\'ve seen suggest people are self-isolating
to *avoid* infection.

As to fatality rate... 1% of what number? *Who* is counting? (W.H.O.?)

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic
problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per
communist doctrine.

I would imagine exposure, vaccination and availability of care will determine
which slice of the population takes the hit -- and in which parts of the
country.

It would definitely \"look bad\" for lots of \"excess deaths\" -- even if not
OFFICIALLY counted as covid-related -- were apparent to the populace.
You can lie to the international community but folks on the ground
will notice if lots of people *seem* to be dying, suddenly. And, they
are the people you have to worry about (foreign gummits aren\'t going
to try to overthrow a regime but a dissatisfied populace might
demand change!)

> PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

What are we supposed to say? Give us verifiable numbers to react to,
not hyperbole.

 

[Don Y]

On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.

No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.

Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.

Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.

In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.

Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

Estimates of 1/3 to
1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death
rate.

In dense urban centers one would expect it to spread rapidly.
Especially if people are eager to \"get out\".

But, reports that I\'ve seen suggest people are self-isolating
to *avoid* infection.

As to fatality rate... 1% of what number? *Who* is counting? (W.H.O.?)

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic
problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per
communist doctrine.

I would imagine exposure, vaccination and availability of care will determine
which slice of the population takes the hit -- and in which parts of the
country.

It would definitely \"look bad\" for lots of \"excess deaths\" -- even if not
OFFICIALLY counted as covid-related -- were apparent to the populace.
You can lie to the international community but folks on the ground
will notice if lots of people *seem* to be dying, suddenly. And, they
are the people you have to worry about (foreign gummits aren\'t going
to try to overthrow a regime but a dissatisfied populace might
demand change!)

> PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

What are we supposed to say? Give us verifiable numbers to react to,
not hyperbole.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:33 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 07:37:38 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure.

Maybe so. The decrees of autocratic rulers don\'t usually honor medical advice,
having other priorities.

> >PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

Oh, no! Now you\'ve broken it!

As someone (me) noted here, social isolation reduces the transmission
rate of covid, so extends the infection peak and the harmful side
effects of lockdown. My suggestion was to protect the vulnerable,
mostly older people, and let it rip through the rest of the population
and burn out.

A deadly suggestion, letting a pandemic \'rip through\' a medical logistics
nightmare before useful therapies were known.

What I didn\'t expect is the waves of mutations that...

that everyone else knew to expect.

... And I didn\'t expect that in some age
groups some of the vaccines may do more harm than a viral infection.

Nor did it. The \'harm\' due to vaccines was largely determined in testing, before
approval was given.


> What China has managed to do is invent a lethal virus...

No, that\'s just a lazy blame-the-victim suggestion; zero
evidence, zero gain to be expected, but lots of tongues wagging.

Now that the isolation has proved to be untenable, economically and
politically, the entire population is suceptable to *all* the evolved
variants at once.

We humans are all BORN with that susceptibility, no economic nor political
activity required.

After three years, it\'s shocking how little we know about the
epidemiology of covid.

Nonsense; it has been studied extensively, and multiple approaches to fighting
it off have been at least partly successful. Putting down the
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin snake oils took longer than it should have.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:33 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 07:37:38 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure.

Maybe so. The decrees of autocratic rulers don\'t usually honor medical advice,
having other priorities.

> >PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

Oh, no! Now you\'ve broken it!

As someone (me) noted here, social isolation reduces the transmission
rate of covid, so extends the infection peak and the harmful side
effects of lockdown. My suggestion was to protect the vulnerable,
mostly older people, and let it rip through the rest of the population
and burn out.

A deadly suggestion, letting a pandemic \'rip through\' a medical logistics
nightmare before useful therapies were known.

What I didn\'t expect is the waves of mutations that...

that everyone else knew to expect.

... And I didn\'t expect that in some age
groups some of the vaccines may do more harm than a viral infection.

Nor did it. The \'harm\' due to vaccines was largely determined in testing, before
approval was given.


> What China has managed to do is invent a lethal virus...

No, that\'s just a lazy blame-the-victim suggestion; zero
evidence, zero gain to be expected, but lots of tongues wagging.

Now that the isolation has proved to be untenable, economically and
politically, the entire population is suceptable to *all* the evolved
variants at once.

We humans are all BORN with that susceptibility, no economic nor political
activity required.

After three years, it\'s shocking how little we know about the
epidemiology of covid.

Nonsense; it has been studied extensively, and multiple approaches to fighting
it off have been at least partly successful. Putting down the
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin snake oils took longer than it should have.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:33 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 07:37:38 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure.

Maybe so. The decrees of autocratic rulers don\'t usually honor medical advice,
having other priorities.

> >PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

Oh, no! Now you\'ve broken it!

As someone (me) noted here, social isolation reduces the transmission
rate of covid, so extends the infection peak and the harmful side
effects of lockdown. My suggestion was to protect the vulnerable,
mostly older people, and let it rip through the rest of the population
and burn out.

A deadly suggestion, letting a pandemic \'rip through\' a medical logistics
nightmare before useful therapies were known.

What I didn\'t expect is the waves of mutations that...

that everyone else knew to expect.

... And I didn\'t expect that in some age
groups some of the vaccines may do more harm than a viral infection.

Nor did it. The \'harm\' due to vaccines was largely determined in testing, before
approval was given.


> What China has managed to do is invent a lethal virus...

No, that\'s just a lazy blame-the-victim suggestion; zero
evidence, zero gain to be expected, but lots of tongues wagging.

Now that the isolation has proved to be untenable, economically and
politically, the entire population is suceptable to *all* the evolved
variants at once.

We humans are all BORN with that susceptibility, no economic nor political
activity required.

After three years, it\'s shocking how little we know about the
epidemiology of covid.

Nonsense; it has been studied extensively, and multiple approaches to fighting
it off have been at least partly successful. Putting down the
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin snake oils took longer than it should have.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:

On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate medical facility is same as killing. In rural area, they are totally on their own. The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high. Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now, unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants, one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if prior inflection would make a difference either.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:

On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate medical facility is same as killing. In rural area, they are totally on their own. The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high. Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now, unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants, one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if prior inflection would make a difference either.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:

On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate medical facility is same as killing. In rural area, they are totally on their own. The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high. Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now, unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants, one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if prior inflection would make a difference either.

 

[Don Y]

On 1/9/2023 7:03 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:
On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero
Covid was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem. The flaw was
thinking that merely running out the clock would be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\". Kinda like
having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and
kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal? Or, are you
drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate
medical facility is same as killing.

\"Sharpening\" implies that those making the decisions are actually
intentionally doing so with that as a GOAL. They may just
be ignorant (or afraid to speak their minds). The Orange One
was silly enough to think it would magically go away -- with
bleach!

In rural area, they are totally on
their own.

But that isn\'t a policy change. Rather, that\'s a consequence
of underinvestment in healthcare in those areas. A similar situation
exists in much of rural America. Would you site that as evidence that
our intent is to \"sharpen the curve\"?

> The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high.

As you would expect them to be due to the increased numbers of
opportunities (victims) it has to spread. It seems New England
is seeing a resurgence that hasn\'t (yet) manifested in rural Kansas...

Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now,
unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of
the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants,
one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by
same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if
prior inflection would make a difference either.

The efficacies of vaccines is always a crapshoot. As well as their uptake.
If the right (wrong?) people don\'t take advantage of prophylactic
measures -- or can\'t -- then the efficacy is a moot point. I know
vaccinated people, here, who have had it twice (no idea which strains
as I don\'t think that information is available to the pt).

People, here, have chosen to remove masks and go about business as usual.
Of course you expect to see cases climb. Who do we blame for the
uptick -- gummit \"policy\"?

 

[Don Y]

On 1/9/2023 7:03 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:
On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero
Covid was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem. The flaw was
thinking that merely running out the clock would be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\". Kinda like
having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and
kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal? Or, are you
drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate
medical facility is same as killing.

\"Sharpening\" implies that those making the decisions are actually
intentionally doing so with that as a GOAL. They may just
be ignorant (or afraid to speak their minds). The Orange One
was silly enough to think it would magically go away -- with
bleach!

In rural area, they are totally on
their own.

But that isn\'t a policy change. Rather, that\'s a consequence
of underinvestment in healthcare in those areas. A similar situation
exists in much of rural America. Would you site that as evidence that
our intent is to \"sharpen the curve\"?

> The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high.

As you would expect them to be due to the increased numbers of
opportunities (victims) it has to spread. It seems New England
is seeing a resurgence that hasn\'t (yet) manifested in rural Kansas...

Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now,
unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of
the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants,
one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by
same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if
prior inflection would make a difference either.

The efficacies of vaccines is always a crapshoot. As well as their uptake.
If the right (wrong?) people don\'t take advantage of prophylactic
measures -- or can\'t -- then the efficacy is a moot point. I know
vaccinated people, here, who have had it twice (no idea which strains
as I don\'t think that information is available to the pt).

People, here, have chosen to remove masks and go about business as usual.
Of course you expect to see cases climb. Who do we blame for the
uptick -- gummit \"policy\"?

 

[Don Y]

On 1/9/2023 7:03 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:
On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero
Covid was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem. The flaw was
thinking that merely running out the clock would be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\". Kinda like
having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and
kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal? Or, are you
drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate
medical facility is same as killing.

\"Sharpening\" implies that those making the decisions are actually
intentionally doing so with that as a GOAL. They may just
be ignorant (or afraid to speak their minds). The Orange One
was silly enough to think it would magically go away -- with
bleach!

In rural area, they are totally on
their own.

But that isn\'t a policy change. Rather, that\'s a consequence
of underinvestment in healthcare in those areas. A similar situation
exists in much of rural America. Would you site that as evidence that
our intent is to \"sharpen the curve\"?

> The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high.

As you would expect them to be due to the increased numbers of
opportunities (victims) it has to spread. It seems New England
is seeing a resurgence that hasn\'t (yet) manifested in rural Kansas...

Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now,
unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of
the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants,
one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by
same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if
prior inflection would make a difference either.

The efficacies of vaccines is always a crapshoot. As well as their uptake.
If the right (wrong?) people don\'t take advantage of prophylactic
measures -- or can\'t -- then the efficacy is a moot point. I know
vaccinated people, here, who have had it twice (no idea which strains
as I don\'t think that information is available to the pt).

People, here, have chosen to remove masks and go about business as usual.
Of course you expect to see cases climb. Who do we blame for the
uptick -- gummit \"policy\"?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

Where are you getting that? If they let the original Wu-Hu-1 run rampant, the death and mayhem would have been much, much worse than what you\'re seeing now.

The virus they\'re seeing now is an invariant with much greater transmissibility, but milder symptoms.

The main problem with China right is they don\'t have the health care infrastructure that can even begin to handle any kind of epidemic. It\'s a super overpopulated place.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

Where are you getting that? If they let the original Wu-Hu-1 run rampant, the death and mayhem would have been much, much worse than what you\'re seeing now.

The virus they\'re seeing now is an invariant with much greater transmissibility, but milder symptoms.

The main problem with China right is they don\'t have the health care infrastructure that can even begin to handle any kind of epidemic. It\'s a super overpopulated place.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.

Where are you getting that? If they let the original Wu-Hu-1 run rampant, the death and mayhem would have been much, much worse than what you\'re seeing now.

The virus they\'re seeing now is an invariant with much greater transmissibility, but milder symptoms.

The main problem with China right is they don\'t have the health care infrastructure that can even begin to handle any kind of epidemic. It\'s a super overpopulated place.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 8:03:30 AM UTC-8, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.
Where are you getting that? If they let the original Wu-Hu-1 run rampant, the death and mayhem would have been much, much worse than what you\'re seeing now.

I was referring to the unusual quiet few weeks prior to this thread, since the new policy of dropping all restrictions.

> The virus they\'re seeing now is an invariant with much greater transmissibility, but milder symptoms.

Not according to reports. It\'s deadly, not milder at all.

> The main problem with China right is they don\'t have the health care infrastructure that can even begin to handle any kind of epidemic. It\'s a super overpopulated place.

It\'s already bad in major cities. It\'s unthinkable in remote areas.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 8:03:30 AM UTC-8, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.
Where are you getting that? If they let the original Wu-Hu-1 run rampant, the death and mayhem would have been much, much worse than what you\'re seeing now.

I was referring to the unusual quiet few weeks prior to this thread, since the new policy of dropping all restrictions.

> The virus they\'re seeing now is an invariant with much greater transmissibility, but milder symptoms.

Not according to reports. It\'s deadly, not milder at all.

> The main problem with China right is they don\'t have the health care infrastructure that can even begin to handle any kind of epidemic. It\'s a super overpopulated place.

It\'s already bad in major cities. It\'s unthinkable in remote areas.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 8:03:30 AM UTC-8, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:37:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid was a total mistake and complete failure. Three years of lockdown only delay the pains. In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten) the curve and kill as many as possible in three months. Estimates of 1/3 to 1/2 of population already infected so far. Conservative estimate of 1% death rate.

ZCP also eliminates most of the ageing subjects and fix the demographic problem. Test subjects dying? No problem, the end justify the mean per communist doctrine.

PS: SED experts are unusually quiet on this matter.
Where are you getting that? If they let the original Wu-Hu-1 run rampant, the death and mayhem would have been much, much worse than what you\'re seeing now.

I was referring to the unusual quiet few weeks prior to this thread, since the new policy of dropping all restrictions.

> The virus they\'re seeing now is an invariant with much greater transmissibility, but milder symptoms.

Not according to reports. It\'s deadly, not milder at all.

> The main problem with China right is they don\'t have the health care infrastructure that can even begin to handle any kind of epidemic. It\'s a super overpopulated place.

It\'s already bad in major cities. It\'s unthinkable in remote areas.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 06:03:46 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:27:19 PM UTC-8, Don Y wrote:
On 1/8/2023 8:37 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
ZCP is Zero(No) Policy on Covid, don\'t ask, don\'t tell. CCP\'s Zero Covid
was a total mistake and complete failure.
No, it should have bought them time to deal with the problem.
The flaw was thinking that merely running out the clock would
be an effective defense.
Three years of lockdown only
delay the pains.
Because the pinhead at the top was too wed to his \"pet idea\".
Kinda like having unprotected sex and WISHING HARD ENOUGH will
prevent a pregnancy.
In a complete reversal, ZCP aims to sharpen (not flatten)
the curve and kill as many as possible in three months.
Have you seen that declared as an OFFICIAL policy goal?
Or, are you drawing your own conclusions -- with bias?

My interpretation of the policy. Sharpening the curve without adequate medical facility is same as killing. In rural area, they are totally on their own. The inflection rates in major cities are incredibly high. Perhaps they are switching from under-reporting to over-reporting now, unofficially. Chinese New Year will bring it to rural area in the rest of the country. It would not be long to the rest of the world.

Overflowing hospitals and overworking crematories don\'t lie. The variants, one or more, are infectious and deadly. People are getting re-inflected by same or different variants. Chinese vaccines are ineffective. Not sure if prior inflection would make a difference either.

According the the Worldometer site, new cases and deaths, in PPM per
week, are

Japan 9300 18
Australia 2100 8
New Zealand 4400 11
Hong Kong 16,000 62
USA 560 4
Sweden 9000 0.3
China 37 0

which is of course distorted by different reporting policies. The
China numbers are just not to be believed, but Hong Kong is
suggestive.

So covid is sort of a pay now or pay later deal.