(OT) Would you pay $99.99 for a USED 1gb Flash Drive

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:55:19 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

Anything can run command line & single app, even an
Apple II. Add multitasking & GUI and it's another story.

Reminds me of a funny story from way back. Microsoft released Windoze
2.0 with a new feature, cooperative multitasking. Included was a
rotating wire frame graphic intended to show that it was possible to
run multiple copies of the program in separate windows. The problem
was that each additional copy of the program required more overhead
than it saved. As I vaguely recall, it took 150% more time to run
time to run a 2nd copy of a program. It was faster to run one program
at a time than to use the cooperative multitasking. Run enough copies
and the machine would grind to a halt. MS solved the problem by
removing the demo program.

I had an impressive 24M RAM, but ISTR the HDD was just 100s of M.
So many times I hoped it would die. So did people that used it.
But it never did. Many more modern PCs came & died, but not that
486. I guess you got a better machine when they cost well over
Ł1000 new.

ISTR that I paid almost $1000 for that 1GB hard disk.

However, you don't have to worry any more about keeping a machine or
operating system alive for 20+ years. The new and improved paradigm
is that nothing is expected to last more than 5.0 years.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>
MS does it a little better, but not much:
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet>
Maybe Windoze 10 will have a "Best used before Oct 13, 2020" sticker
on the box?


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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:59:21 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

This old dual core is 10 yrs old now. It boots in under
a minute. I'm grateful I don't run windows.

One minute is too slow:

"How To Boot Linux In Under One Second"
<http://www.electronicdesign.com/embedded/how-boot-linux-under-one-second>
<https://www.logicpd.com/news/logic-pd-to-present-at-battery-power-2012-2/>
More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=logic+pd+fast+boot>

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[Foxs Mercantile]

On 6/11/2017 9:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "How To Boot Linux In Under One Second"

That's really not an issue.
I've NEVER had to reboot Linux.


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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 22:02:51 -0500, Foxs Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 6/11/2017 9:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
"How To Boot Linux In Under One Second"

That's really not an issue.
I've NEVER had to reboot Linux.

Novell 3.12 did it better:
<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/epic-uptime-achievement-can-you-beat-16-years/>
Would you believe 16 years uptime?


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On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:01:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

For entertainment value, I just timed my HP Pavilion Elite m9077c
desktop, running Win 7, quad core Q6600, 8GB RAM, Seagate 1TB drive.
Well, that was a monumental waste of time. I'm at 10 minutes and the
HD is furiously bashing away. I haven't had it on for about a week,
so it's catching up with updates, virus scans, disk maintenance
(defrag), backup to NAS, etc. All that usually takes about an hour.
Maybe I'll try again later. Remind me if I forget.

If you're letting all those updates occur, that is no comparison at all.
Shut off Updates, then check the timing. I never allow anything to
automatically update. That's just plain risky, not6 to mention those
updates always occur at the worst possible time. If I feel the need for
upgrades, I do it manually, when I want to.

I CONTROL MY COMPUTER, IT DONT CONTROL ME!

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 12/06/2017 10:44 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:28:52 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 12/06/2017 7:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
For results, I got:
Win 7: 5min 10sec.
Win XP: 3min 39sec.

**Bloody Hell, that is slow.

Yep. The Optiplex 960 was introduced in late 2008. The HP Pavilion
Elite m9077c was introduced in Sept 2007. Both use DDR2 RAM and SATA2
HD's. That's 9 and 10 years old respectively. Needless to mention,
if you want something faster, buy something newer with SATA3 or SSD,
DDR3 or 4, and faster CPU's with larger L2 caches.

Also, with an SSD, you can reliably and effectively use a HD write
cache, such as Samsung TurboWrite:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review/2
for a big speed boots. I don't have numbers handy, but for boot
speed, I saw about a 2:1 improvement with the write cache.

I haven't timed my Win 7 box recently, but
it is fully stuffed with software I never use. I stuck a 240GB SSD in
there for it to boot from and it is quick. Very quick. If I had to
guess, I'd say around 1 minute.

That's about right for an SSD. As I previously mumbled, adding an SSD
give about a 3x to 5x overall speed boost (without the Win 8.1/10 fast
startup feature).

That is for a first gen i5 CPU, 64 bit
Win 7, 16GB RAM. Not as fast as my Win 10 lappy, but then the lappy has
hardly anything on it to slow it down. I timed the Win 10 lappy
yesterday. 21 seconds from boot to being able to browse the net.

3rd time: Try it with "fast startup" disabled. You're not
benchmarking the speed of the machine, but the speed improvement of
"fast startup" (also known as hybrid shutdown and hybrid boot).

I promised to post something from MSDN on how "fast startup" works. I
couldn't find much specific to Win 10. I eventually determined that
although the name changed from "fast boot" to "fast startup" between
Win 8.1 and Win 10, it's basically the same thing. Some stuff worth
skimming:

Designing for PCs that boot faster than ever before
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before/

How to Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-turn-off-fast-startup-windows-10-a.html
Notice the drawing at the beginning showing what is loaded on boot and
how "fast startup" has much less to load.

Windows 8: Fast Boot
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/olivnie/2012/12/14/windows-8-fast-boot/

**You are correct. With fast boot disabled, my Win 10 lappy boots in
around 1 min 30 sec.

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[Michael Black]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Foxs Mercantile wrote:

On 6/11/2017 9:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
"How To Boot Linux In Under One Second"

That's really not an issue.
I've NEVER had to reboot Linux.

The power didn't suddenly go out? You didn't need to add hardware? The
hardware was temporarily flakey? The computer was overheating?

Right at the beginning, 2001, I did tend to turn it off, so there was a
lot of rebooting and the things done overnight didn't get done. But after
a while, I did pretty much leave it on all the time, and except for the
things mentioned above, it can remain on almost forever ("almost" because
usually one of those things kick in so I do have to reboot).

When I moved to this computer, I left the other one on. About six months
later I remembered, and it was all fine, though I did turn it off at that
point.

Michael

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

The average quiescent computer, screen off, uses about 60 watts of power. Around here, power is $0.14/kwh, so that comes to about $74 per year.

The average LED screen uses about 100 watts of power, the average working computer about 125 watts. So, at say.... 10 hours per day, that might come to an additional $114 or so - discounting the 60 watts already buried, somewhat less. Not even a US dollar per day.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Foxs Mercantile]

On 6/12/2017 2:40 PM, Michael Black wrote:

The power didn't suddenly go out? You didn't need to add hardware? The
hardware was temporarily flakey? The computer was overheating?

Perhaps I should have said, "Not unless I chose to."
The UPS solved the power glitch problems.
The only time I had to reboot the box was when I added a DVD player
to it. That was once in 4 years of up time.
I had zero problems with the box.
None of the usual, "You changed something? Reboot..." That Microsoft
liked to play every time you turned around.


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[Michael Black]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, Foxs Mercantile wrote:

On 6/12/2017 2:40 PM, Michael Black wrote:
The power didn't suddenly go out? You didn't need to add hardware? The
hardware was temporarily flakey? The computer was overheating?

Perhaps I should have said, "Not unless I chose to."
The UPS solved the power glitch problems.
The only time I had to reboot the box was when I added a DVD player
to it. That was once in 4 years of up time.
I had zero problems with the box.
None of the usual, "You changed something? Reboot..." That Microsoft
liked to play every time you turned around.

I did know what you really meant.

Oddly enough, with it being the hottest day here so far this year, my
computer actually shutdown.

Michael