OT: Why is the stock market giddy about being in so much deb

[John Doe]

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

tirsdag den 28. april 2020 kl. 01.04.31 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:39:36 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the stock
market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in production,
equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping it in the bank making
money doing nothing

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:39:41 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

Debt is a very useful tool when used properly. I've used it a number of times and it has always been very successful. I would say my annual income to debt ratio has been as high as 50%. I never had a problem with paying my bills even when out of work for a while.

You just have to know how to manage money and make reasonable investments.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[John Larkin]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:39:36 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the stock
market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences. It's an
ever-accelerating treadmill.

They don't dare go below zero interest rate. We have a lot of darling
tech companies that are losing billions a month and will never make a
dime.

Why do we have economists?

I hope you are not including me in the peon category. I'm not alarmed
by the upcoming financial train wreck.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Doe]

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:

Ricky C wrote:
John Doe wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively
speaking) peon posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is
the stock market giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do
with the national debt. The stock market was skyrocketing even
though tax breaks were being handed out like candy while the
debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

Debt is a very useful tool when used properly. I've used it a
number of times and it has always been very successful. I would
say my annual income to debt ratio has been as high as 50%. I
never had a problem with paying my bills even when out of work
for a while.

You just have to know how to manage money and make reasonable
investments.

You two have heard of what happened in September-October 1929,
haven't you?

"When the time comes that a shoeshine boy knows as much as I do
about what is going on in the stock market, tells me so, and is
entirely correct, there's something wrong with either me or the
market, and it's time for me to get out."

So you've moved all your money to gold, is that what you're saying?

No, of course not. What you're saying is "I just don't like
finance".

 

[John Doe]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

skrev John Larkin:
John Doe wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively
speaking) peon posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is
the stock market giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do
with the national debt. The stock market was skyrocketing even
though tax breaks were being handed out like candy while the
debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the
stock market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in
production, equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping
it in the bank making money doing nothing

Most likely... The people bashing the debt and predicting a stock
market crash know nothing about finance. Otherwise they would be
moving money around. Stocks are not the only investment. Bears move
their money to stuff like gold. But, most likely the financial
advisors in this group have no such investments. They are just anti-
finance.

Obviously debt is not a good thing. But there are not too difficult to
understand explanations.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/04/27 3:50 p.m., Ricky C wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:39:41 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

Debt is a very useful tool when used properly. I've used it a number of times and it has always been very successful. I would say my annual income to debt ratio has been as high as 50%. I never had a problem with paying my bills even when out of work for a while.

You just have to know how to manage money and make reasonable investments.

You two have heard of what happened in September-October 1929, haven't you?

"When the time comes that a shoeshine boy knows as much as I do about
what is going on in the stock market, tells me so, and is entirely
correct, there's something wrong with either me or the market, and it's
time for me to get out."

John

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:11:14 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/27 3:50 p.m., Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:39:41 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

Debt is a very useful tool when used properly. I've used it a number of times and it has always been very successful. I would say my annual income to debt ratio has been as high as 50%. I never had a problem with paying my bills even when out of work for a while.

You just have to know how to manage money and make reasonable investments.


You two have heard of what happened in September-October 1929, haven't you?

"When the time comes that a shoeshine boy knows as much as I do about
what is going on in the stock market, tells me so, and is entirely
correct, there's something wrong with either me or the market, and it's
time for me to get out."

You seem to be talking about the stock market. I was talking about debt. I've bought homes with my debt. Lots of gains there.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:24:18 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

skrev John Larkin:
John Doe wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively
speaking) peon posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is
the stock market giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do
with the national debt. The stock market was skyrocketing even
though tax breaks were being handed out like candy while the
debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the
stock market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in
production, equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping
it in the bank making money doing nothing

Most likely... The people bashing the debt and predicting a stock
market crash know nothing about finance. Otherwise they would be
moving money around. Stocks are not the only investment. Bears move
their money to stuff like gold. But, most likely the financial
advisors in this group have no such investments. They are just anti-
finance.

Obviously debt is not a good thing. But there are not too difficult to
understand explanations.

Gold is a terrible safe haven when the markets are erratic. The price of gold is notoriously volatile. The low price for the last 100 years was in 1970. In 1980 it hit the 100 year high only to drop nearly as much by 2001. Gold jumps up and down on whims. The reason it seems to be a haven when the stock market is dropping is only because so many others are going to gold. That creates a bubble which is fine... unless you are the late comer and get in just as the others are getting out.

It peaked in 2011, dropped back for the last 8 years or so and has been climbing for over a year. Gold rising is typically a sign of uncertainty in the markets. Expect gold to rise as things get worse, but it can fall rather quickly when things get better... fall a LOT.

I think more investors turn to bonds when stocks are not looking good.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Nomen Nescio]

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

I know that you are a troll. I also know that you are stupid to feel giddy about your stock market losses.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 28. april 2020 kl. 01.04.31 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:39:36 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the stock
market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in production,
equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping it in the bank making
money doing nothing

In theory, if you put money into a savings account, the bank loans it
to someone else who needs it, like a small business. If you put it
into stocks, because savings is a loser, you put it into the hands of
google-sized offshore companies, and investment pros so they can buy
bilion-dollar yachts. Now who is going to be the greater fool?

>

The recent corporate tax cuts will help, especially for smaller
businesses that actually have their assets and employees in the USA.
We can now use more of our earnings and treat equipment purchases as
expenses.

The problem with borrowing is that people eventually want their money
back. Growing on earnings doesn't have that issue.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Doe]

Poor little baby is so upset, it had to use an alias...

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John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

I know that you are a troll. I also know that you are stupid to feel giddy about your stock market losses.

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/27 5:27 p.m., Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:11:14 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/27 3:50 p.m., Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:39:41 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

Debt is a very useful tool when used properly. I've used it a number of times and it has always been very successful. I would say my annual income to debt ratio has been as high as 50%. I never had a problem with paying my bills even when out of work for a while.

You just have to know how to manage money and make reasonable investments.


You two have heard of what happened in September-October 1929, haven't you?

"When the time comes that a shoeshine boy knows as much as I do about
what is going on in the stock market, tells me so, and is entirely
correct, there's something wrong with either me or the market, and it's
time for me to get out."

You seem to be talking about the stock market. I was talking about debt. I've bought homes with my debt. Lots of gains there.


2008.

It meant nothing to me because I didn't sell. Why would you sell a home just because it is worth less to someone else? Anyone would be willing to pay dearly for these homes now. I checked and the current US real estate market is back to the bubble high before the crash. With the current situation I would not be surprised if we didn't see some back slide this year.

Real estate is where I got my first million (well, near enough a million).

--

Rick C.

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[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:59:06 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 28. april 2020 kl. 01.04.31 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:39:36 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the stock
market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in production,
equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping it in the bank making
money doing nothing


In theory, if you put money into a savings account, the bank loans it
to someone else who needs it, like a small business. If you put it
into stocks, because savings is a loser, you put it into the hands of
google-sized offshore companies, and investment pros so they can buy
bilion-dollar yachts. Now who is going to be the greater fool?

I have made $180,000 on Tesla stock so far and am up $130,000 on the remainder of my investment which I will sell when it becomes long term capital gains. I don't see anyone sailing around with my money except me.

It is amazing sometimes how absurd your thinking is.

The recent corporate tax cuts will help, especially for smaller
businesses that actually have their assets and employees in the USA.
We can now use more of our earnings and treat equipment purchases as
expenses.

The problem with borrowing is that people eventually want their money
back. Growing on earnings doesn't have that issue.

Growing on earnings is slow. That's the reason why loans are used. You borrow the money now, do great things in your company with it, then pay it back out of the generous profits... assuming that you are good enough to make generous profits. The bank isn't stupid though. It only lends as much money as you have collateral to cover it. They know most small businesses fail. If they don't get the money back from you they can't lend it to anyone else.

So banks "helping" small businesses is not at all altruistic, it is mercenary. But that is capitalism at it's best.

BTW, the reason why buying equipment isn't normally treated as an expense is because the equipment continues to have value after you have bought it. An expense typically has little value after the purchase. The cost of the capital equipment is handled by depreciation where a typically arbitrary schedule is used to account for the lower value of the equipment with continued use.

--

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[John Doe]

Doesn't matter whether this is true or not, it missed my point...

--
Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:24:18 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

skrev John Larkin:
John Doe wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively
speaking) peon posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is
the stock market giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do
with the national debt. The stock market was skyrocketing even
though tax breaks were being handed out like candy while the
debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the
stock market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in
production, equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping
it in the bank making money doing nothing

Most likely... The people bashing the debt and predicting a stock
market crash know nothing about finance. Otherwise they would be
moving money around. Stocks are not the only investment. Bears move
their money to stuff like gold. But, most likely the financial
advisors in this group have no such investments. They are just anti-
finance.

Obviously debt is not a good thing. But there are not too difficult to
understand explanations.

Gold is a terrible safe haven when the markets are erratic. The price of gold is notoriously volatile. The low price for the last 100 years was in 1970. In 1980 it hit the 100 year high only to drop nearly as much by 2001. Gold jumps up and down on whims. The reason it seems to be a haven when the stock market is dropping is only because so many others are going to gold. That creates a bubble which is fine... unless you are the late comer and get in just as the others are getting out.

It peaked in 2011, dropped back for the last 8 years or so and has been climbing for over a year. Gold rising is typically a sign of uncertainty in the markets. Expect gold to rise as things get worse, but it can fall rather quickly when things get better... fall a LOT.

I think more investors turn to bonds when stocks are not looking good.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/04/27 5:27 p.m., Ricky C wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:11:14 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/27 3:50 p.m., Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:39:41 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

Debt is a very useful tool when used properly. I've used it a number of times and it has always been very successful. I would say my annual income to debt ratio has been as high as 50%. I never had a problem with paying my bills even when out of work for a while.

You just have to know how to manage money and make reasonable investments.


You two have heard of what happened in September-October 1929, haven't you?

"When the time comes that a shoeshine boy knows as much as I do about
what is going on in the stock market, tells me so, and is entirely
correct, there's something wrong with either me or the market, and it's
time for me to get out."

You seem to be talking about the stock market. I was talking about debt. I've bought homes with my debt. Lots of gains there.

2008.

John

 

[Nomen Nescio]

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
> Poor little baby is so upset, it had to use an alias...

Stupid troll is so upset about losing all of its money in the stock market that it searches for answers in dizum headers.
Don't bet more on stocks than you can afford to lose, moron.

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:59:06 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 28. april 2020 kl. 01.04.31 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:39:36 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

The Treasury has driven interest rates to near zero. Check your
savings account. This is deliberate to force savings into the stock
market and allow governmant borrowing without consequences.

or alternatively encouraging people to invest their money in production,
equipment, expanding etc. instead of of just keeping it in the bank making
money doing nothing


In theory, if you put money into a savings account, the bank loans it
to someone else who needs it, like a small business. If you put it
into stocks, because savings is a loser, you put it into the hands of
google-sized offshore companies, and investment pros so they can buy
bilion-dollar yachts. Now who is going to be the greater fool?

You do not have to buy stocks in google sized companies or put your money in the hands of investment pros. But it does take reading about investing and figuring out how to invest.

Dan

The recent corporate tax cuts will help, especially for smaller
businesses that actually have their assets and employees in the USA.
We can now use more of our earnings and treat equipment purchases as
expenses.

The problem with borrowing is that people eventually want their money
back. Growing on earnings doesn't have that issue.




--
ish
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:21:52 -0000, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

I know that you are a troll. I also know that you are stupid to feel giddy about your stock market losses.

His post wasn't horribly trollish. This is a discussion group. If you
don't like a thread, ignore it.

Have you designed any cool electronics lately? Show us.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:15:18 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:21:52 -0000, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com
wrote:

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
If debt is such a bad thing, so much so that (relatively speaking) peon
posters to this a group are alarmed by it, why is the stock market
giddy? The recent losses have NOTHING to do with the national debt. The
stock market was skyrocketing even though tax breaks were being handed
out like candy while the debt was also skyrocketing.

What do you know that all the bigwig investors don't know?

I know that you are a troll. I also know that you are stupid to feel giddy about your stock market losses.

His post wasn't horribly trollish. This is a discussion group. If you
don't like a thread, ignore it.

Have you designed any cool electronics lately? Show us.

Someone tell me how this is not trolling? Larkin is involved up to his neck in an off topic thread and then complains that someone isn't talking about electronics.

Is this guy even rational??? Is he a Jekyll and Hyde sort of person?

--

Rick C.

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