OT: WARNING: Amazon *forcing* "prime" on customers.

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Robert Baer

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Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
TINSTAFFL.

In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not
ask for it. That worked.
Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
Also refused to remove it.

Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

Yup! You guessed it!
MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Greedy bastards.
 
On 12/11/19 06:35, Robert Baer wrote:
  Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
  TINSTAFFL.

  In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not ask for
it. That worked.
  Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would not be put
on the "prime" wagon.

  Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they FORCED
"prime" on me.
  Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
  Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why was it
forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
  Also refused to remove it.

  Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
  Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

  That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many choices FOR
this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

  Yup! You guessed it!
  MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no" choice
which...

  A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a "reminder"
that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can remain on "prime"
by an easy say-so.

  Greedy bastards.
Click to expand...

The last purchase I made (will make) on Amazon was for
TaOE III x-chapters. Yes, they tried to push the benefit
of next-day delivery :)

They also try to confound your assessing what it costs you by
bundling it with other things like TV programmes.

Long ago I once selected Amazon Prime by mistake. I immediately
used the process described in their help section to modify my
account to stop subscribing.
 
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and
they FORCED "prime" on me.
Click to expand...

You weren't paying attention. The free month offer is a good deal,
it's not FORCED on you.

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that
you can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.
Click to expand...

Sounds like you accepted their offer of one month free Prime.

After you accept their free month offer, all you need do is stop
Prime service. Prime will last until the next billing cycle when you
will not be charged but the free trial will end. And Yes, they ask
you repeatedly if you want to remain on the service when you are
trying to cancel. Just say "No No No". You're a grown up, you can do
that.
 
On 12/11/2019 07:46, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/11/19 06:35, Robert Baer wrote:
   Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
   TINSTAFFL.

   In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not
ask for it. That worked.
   Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

   Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
   Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
   Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
   Also refused to remove it.

   Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
   Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

   That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice
which...

   Yup! You guessed it!
   MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one
"no" choice which...

   A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you
can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

   Greedy bastards.

The last purchase I made (will make) on Amazon was for
TaOE III x-chapters. Yes, they tried to push the benefit
of next-day delivery :)
Click to expand...

The one Robert is describing is not a checkout button confusion but an
absolute "we have upgraded you to Prime" offer with no get out if you
actually want to make the purchase on that day. They did it to me in the
UK a couple of months back. Ironically the transaction was unwound for
supplier out of stock and never likely to be available again. This had
the effect of automatically cancelling my forced Prime upgrade.
They also try to confound your assessing what it costs you by
bundling it with other things like TV programmes.

Long ago I once selected Amazon Prime by mistake. I immediately
used the process described in their help section to modify my
account to stop subscribing.
Click to expand...

I don't think there is anyone who hasn't clicked the wrong button by
mistake on their checkout page. It is designed that way.

I use the slow and cheapest shipping having discovered that where I live
that it makes almost no difference to how soon things arrive.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On 12/11/19 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
On 12/11/2019 07:46, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/11/19 06:35, Robert Baer wrote:
   Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
   TINSTAFFL.

   In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not ask for
it. That worked.
   Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would not be
put on the "prime" wagon.

   Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they FORCED
"prime" on me.
   Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
   Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why was it
forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
   Also refused to remove it.

   Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
   Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

   That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many choices FOR
this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

   Yup! You guessed it!
   MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

   A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a "reminder"
that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can remain on
"prime" by an easy say-so.

   Greedy bastards.

The last purchase I made (will make) on Amazon was for
TaOE III x-chapters. Yes, they tried to push the benefit
of next-day delivery :)

The one Robert is describing is not a checkout button confusion but an absolute
"we have upgraded you to Prime" offer with no get out if you actually want to
make the purchase on that day. They did it to me in the UK a couple of months
back.
Click to expand...

What?! Bloody hell. Unacceptable.

I suspect that would fall foul of several consumer protection laws - but not
necessarily in the future :(


Ironically the transaction was unwound for supplier out of stock and never
likely to be available again. This had the effect of automatically cancelling my
forced Prime upgrade.

They also try to confound your assessing what it costs you by
bundling it with other things like TV programmes.

Long ago I once selected Amazon Prime by mistake. I immediately
used the process described in their help section to modify my
account to stop subscribing.

I don't think there is anyone who hasn't clicked the wrong button by mistake on
their checkout page. It is designed that way.

I use the slow and cheapest shipping having discovered that where I live that it
makes almost no difference to how soon things arrive.
Click to expand...

Yes, and yes. Plus I don't usually need things /right now/.
 
On 12/11/2019 08:17, John Doe wrote:
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and
they FORCED "prime" on me.

You weren't paying attention. The free month offer is a good deal,
it's not FORCED on you.
Click to expand...

Not quite. There has been a recent promotion where they automatically
upgrade you to Prime with no option to opt out if you don't want it.
I was sufficiently bemused by the sequence of events that the first time
I cancelled the order and went round again. Result same forced upgrade.
The goods were not available (despite showing "in stock") so the
transaction was unwound. It struck me as funny that my Prime delivery
was taking longer than the normal 3 day service at the time. Then I
checked the email logs and found the order cancellation.

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that
you can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Sounds like you accepted their offer of one month free Prime.
Click to expand...

Whilst I agree that RB has form where computers are concerned.
I have also seen this tactic from Amazon in the UK June this year.

After you accept their free month offer, all you need do is stop
Prime service. Prime will last until the next billing cycle when you
will not be charged but the free trial will end. And Yes, they ask
you repeatedly if you want to remain on the service when you are
trying to cancel. Just say "No No No". You're a grown up, you can do
that.
Click to expand...

I expect sooner or later you will see the same generous offer.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qqec7v$8s5$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 12/11/2019 08:17, John Doe wrote:
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and
they FORCED "prime" on me.

You weren't paying attention. The free month offer is a good
deal, it's not FORCED on you.

Not quite. There has been a recent promotion where they
automatically upgrade you to Prime with no option to opt out if
you don't want it. I was sufficiently bemused by the sequence of
events that the first time I cancelled the order and went round
again. Result same forced upgrade. The goods were not available
(despite showing "in stock") so the transaction was unwound. It
struck me as funny that my Prime delivery was taking longer than
the normal 3 day service at the time. Then I checked the email
logs and found the order cancellation.

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that
you can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Sounds like you accepted their offer of one month free Prime.

Whilst I agree that RB has form where computers are concerned.
I have also seen this tactic from Amazon in the UK June this year.

After you accept their free month offer, all you need do is stop
Prime service. Prime will last until the next billing cycle when
you will not be charged but the free trial will end. And Yes,
they ask you repeatedly if you want to remain on the service when
you are trying to cancel. Just say "No No No". You're a grown up,
you can do that.

I expect sooner or later you will see the same generous offer.
Click to expand...

They use the unchecked box tactic or whatever.

All a consumer needs to to is be careful and observe each page in
the checkout procedure, being sure to select options that do not
trigger subscriptions to a service.

My last two buys there last month had options pre-selected, but I
made sure to choose not to try the 'trial'.

All 'trials' like this on the webb auto-charge and enroll a 'new
customer'. I had to bitch at the damned high school website for
trying to bill me for 'joining' their 'sevice'. They put the money
back, and I killed my account their and told them to delete it and my
info.

I hate how squirrely all these 'modern' greedy bastard web sites
have gotten and want us all to believe is 'just the way it is'.

Congress should be setting up a method for charging and fining the
bastards for such shoddy, greedy web page design practices.
 
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.
Click to expand...

"How to Cancel Amazon Prime"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/429020/how-to-cancel-amazon-prime/>

Some ebay vendors require that buyers use Amazon Prime. You might
check if that is what happened.
"Sell products with the Prime badge directly from your warehouse"
<https://services.amazon.com/services/seller-fulfilled-prime.html>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 2019/11/12 7:40 a.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

"How to Cancel Amazon Prime"
https://www.howtogeek.com/429020/how-to-cancel-amazon-prime/

Some ebay vendors require that buyers use Amazon Prime. You might
check if that is what happened.
"Sell products with the Prime badge directly from your warehouse"
https://services.amazon.com/services/seller-fulfilled-prime.html
Click to expand...

I tell eBay sellers, who put special requirements on their sales, that
they would get more business if they open it up more. Limiting to Prime
will not help their sales. Much like limiting your listings to national
instead of international lets you out of many more customers.

We sell and ship internationally and the odd hiccup is well worth the
extra business we get.

John :-#)#
 
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
TINSTAFFL.

In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not
ask for it. That worked.
Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
Also refused to remove it.

Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

Yup! You guessed it!
MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Greedy bastards.
Click to expand...

If you don't like what people are selling, go somewhere else.

I think Prime is wonderful. I must place over 100 orders per year.

I ordered 100 x-acto #16 blades and a 1000 watt MeanWell power supply
yesterday.

Someone borrowed my Fluke benchtop DVM and claimed they needed it a
while longer, so I Primed a new one.

Need a stick-on thermocouple or a stopwatch or an SMA attenuator or 50
AA batteries? X-chapters? USB bulkhead adapter? A good book? Prime.

Pay them. It's well worth it.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On 12/11/19 16:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
TINSTAFFL.

In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not
ask for it. That worked.
Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
Also refused to remove it.

Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

Yup! You guessed it!
MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Greedy bastards.

If you don't like what people are selling, go somewhere else.
Click to expand...

It is the /way/ they are selling it.

Reminds me of inertia selling and double-glazing salesmen.



I think Prime is wonderful. I must place over 100 orders per year.

I ordered 100 x-acto #16 blades and a 1000 watt MeanWell power supply
yesterday.

Someone borrowed my Fluke benchtop DVM and claimed they needed it a
while longer, so I Primed a new one.

Need a stick-on thermocouple or a stopwatch or an SMA attenuator or 50
AA batteries? X-chapters? USB bulkhead adapter? A good book? Prime.

Pay them. It's well worth it.
Click to expand...

Quite possibly, but it should be opt-in not /repeatedly/ opt-out.
 
On 12/11/2019 14:04, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qqec7v$8s5$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 12/11/2019 08:17, John Doe wrote:
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and
they FORCED "prime" on me.

You weren't paying attention. The free month offer is a good
deal, it's not FORCED on you.

Not quite. There has been a recent promotion where they
automatically upgrade you to Prime with no option to opt out if
you don't want it. I was sufficiently bemused by the sequence of
events that the first time I cancelled the order and went round
again. Result same forced upgrade. The goods were not available
(despite showing "in stock") so the transaction was unwound. It
struck me as funny that my Prime delivery was taking longer than
the normal 3 day service at the time. Then I checked the email
logs and found the order cancellation.

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that
you can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Sounds like you accepted their offer of one month free Prime.

Whilst I agree that RB has form where computers are concerned.
I have also seen this tactic from Amazon in the UK June this year.

After you accept their free month offer, all you need do is stop
Prime service. Prime will last until the next billing cycle when
you will not be charged but the free trial will end. And Yes,
they ask you repeatedly if you want to remain on the service when
you are trying to cancel. Just say "No No No". You're a grown up,
you can do that.

I expect sooner or later you will see the same generous offer.

They use the unchecked box tactic or whatever.

All a consumer needs to to is be careful and observe each page in
the checkout procedure, being sure to select options that do not
trigger subscriptions to a service.

My last two buys there last month had options pre-selected, but I
made sure to choose not to try the 'trial'.
Click to expand...

No it wasn't the usual tick box for free trial game. It was an entirely
different checkout dialogue promoting a free Prime upgrade for 30 days
with no option to opt out which I haven't seen before or since.

I hate how squirrely all these 'modern' greedy bastard web sites
have gotten and want us all to believe is 'just the way it is'.

Congress should be setting up a method for charging and fining the
bastards for such shoddy, greedy web page design practices.
Click to expand...

EU law in theory outlaws setting such traps but ICBA to chase it up.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qqeodl$8dt$2@gioia.aioe.org:

On 12/11/2019 16:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/11/19 16:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pay them. It's well worth it.

It might be if I lived somewhere where next day delivery actually
worked for the couriers that Amazon typically uses. I get true
next day from Farnell (just down the road), Rapid and RS but where
I live there is little very difference between Amazon Prime and
boring 3 day service.

Quite possibly, but it should be opt-in not /repeatedly/ opt-out.

I don't mind having to repeatedly opt out but I do object a bit to
not being given any option but to cancel the order or accept an
upgrade. (even knowing that I can cancel it within 30 days)
Click to expand...

Cancel it the next hour. Maybe if they see that stat, they'll see
that it is only an annoying thing that could drive customers away.
 
On 12/11/2019 16:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 12/11/19 16:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Pay them. It's well worth it.
Click to expand...

It might be if I lived somewhere where next day delivery actually worked
for the couriers that Amazon typically uses. I get true next day from
Farnell (just down the road), Rapid and RS but where I live there is
little very difference between Amazon Prime and boring 3 day service.

> Quite possibly, but it should be opt-in not /repeatedly/ opt-out.

I don't mind having to repeatedly opt out but I do object a bit to not
being given any option but to cancel the order or accept an upgrade.
(even knowing that I can cancel it within 30 days)

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:45:21 +0000, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/11/19 16:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
TINSTAFFL.

In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not
ask for it. That worked.
Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
Also refused to remove it.

Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

Yup! You guessed it!
MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Greedy bastards.

If you don't like what people are selling, go somewhere else.


It is the /way/ they are selling it.

Reminds me of inertia selling and double-glazing salesmen.



I think Prime is wonderful. I must place over 100 orders per year.

I ordered 100 x-acto #16 blades and a 1000 watt MeanWell power supply
yesterday.

Someone borrowed my Fluke benchtop DVM and claimed they needed it a
while longer, so I Primed a new one.

Need a stick-on thermocouple or a stopwatch or an SMA attenuator or 50
AA batteries? X-chapters? USB bulkhead adapter? A good book? Prime.

Pay them. It's well worth it.

Quite possibly, but it should be opt-in not /repeatedly/ opt-out.
Click to expand...

If you dislike Amazon, never go there.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:msrlselafaon9li7g4qkfmm62j3pnalgq7@4ax.com:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:45:21 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/11/19 16:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it
or not. TINSTAFFL.

In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i
did not
ask for it. That worked.
Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then
would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping
and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again
asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
Also refused to remove it.

Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits",
many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

Yup! You guessed it!
MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess)
one "no"
choice which...

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link
including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and
that you can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Greedy bastards.

If you don't like what people are selling, go somewhere else.


It is the /way/ they are selling it.

Reminds me of inertia selling and double-glazing salesmen.



I think Prime is wonderful. I must place over 100 orders per
year.

I ordered 100 x-acto #16 blades and a 1000 watt MeanWell power
supply yesterday.

Someone borrowed my Fluke benchtop DVM and claimed they needed
it a while longer, so I Primed a new one.

Need a stick-on thermocouple or a stopwatch or an SMA attenuator
or 50 AA batteries? X-chapters? USB bulkhead adapter? A good
book? Prime.

Pay them. It's well worth it.

Quite possibly, but it should be opt-in not /repeatedly/ opt-out.

If you dislike Amazon, never go there.
Click to expand...

So what is it, Johnny? You think posting common sense one liners
raises your station here?

Here's one: Since you think NASA sucks, go jump off a bridge,
since you would not be where you are without the advances they
ushered in.

The word for today is "ushered".

As in if you know what the cold war was, you know we had to be
lickety split with our engineering. NASA ushered in an entire
scientific era. That is regardless of any mistakes you want to
outline or any other factor *you* come up with.

Too bad you always seem to have something in your brain where you
think they are worthless. Maybe you should use your smartphone,
which you wouldn't have, to google it up, which you wouldn't be able
to do. Were it not for some of the advances NASA made.

Here's another: Let us not allow them to usher in forcd
subscription pushes as if they are harmless. Amazon should be fined,
because they are not so much interested in new subscribers as they
are hanging on to that first money they took, until you get it back.
That must generate some bucks. Like rebate offers that the buyer
never turns in. Some take longer than one cycle to notice. Some
folks do not notice at all. Amazon likes customers that do not even
know they bought a product, much less pay on it long term.
 
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:11:54 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:msrlselafaon9li7g4qkfmm62j3pnalgq7@4ax.com:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:45:21 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 12/11/19 16:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 22:35:47 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it
or not. TINSTAFFL.

In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i
did not
ask for it. That worked.
Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then
would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping
and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again
asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
Also refused to remove it.

Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits",
many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

Yup! You guessed it!
MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess)
one "no"
choice which...

A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link
including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and
that you can remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

Greedy bastards.

If you don't like what people are selling, go somewhere else.


It is the /way/ they are selling it.

Reminds me of inertia selling and double-glazing salesmen.



I think Prime is wonderful. I must place over 100 orders per
year.

I ordered 100 x-acto #16 blades and a 1000 watt MeanWell power
supply yesterday.

Someone borrowed my Fluke benchtop DVM and claimed they needed
it a while longer, so I Primed a new one.

Need a stick-on thermocouple or a stopwatch or an SMA attenuator
or 50 AA batteries? X-chapters? USB bulkhead adapter? A good
book? Prime.

Pay them. It's well worth it.

Quite possibly, but it should be opt-in not /repeatedly/ opt-out.

If you dislike Amazon, never go there.




So what is it, Johnny? You think posting common sense one liners
raises your station here?

Here's one: Since you think NASA sucks, go jump off a bridge,
since you would not be where you are without the advances they
ushered in.

The word for today is "ushered".

As in if you know what the cold war was, you know we had to be
lickety split with our engineering. NASA ushered in an entire
scientific era. That is regardless of any mistakes you want to
outline or any other factor *you* come up with.

Too bad you always seem to have something in your brain where you
think they are worthless. Maybe you should use your smartphone,
which you wouldn't have, to google it up, which you wouldn't be able
to do. Were it not for some of the advances NASA made.

Here's another: Let us not allow them to usher in forcd
subscription pushes as if they are harmless. Amazon should be fined,
because they are not so much interested in new subscribers as they
are hanging on to that first money they took, until you get it back.
That must generate some bucks. Like rebate offers that the buyer
never turns in. Some take longer than one cycle to notice. Some
folks do not notice at all. Amazon likes customers that do not even
know they bought a product, much less pay on it long term.
Click to expand...

Good thing you are smart enough to never buy from Amazon.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:nptlsehtk5ajdna2d59u0pg35bbljdrvh8@4ax.com:

Good thing you are smart enough to never buy from Amazon.
Click to expand...

So, you are for Warren then?

I like Biden's stance. We can make our own decisions.

As Jaime Escalante said "Have a nice day..."
 
Jim Horton <jhorton@nospam.net> wrote in
news:qqf3rv$tm8$1@dont-email.me:

On 11/12/19 1:35 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
  Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it
or
not.
  TINSTAFFL.

  In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i
did
not
ask for it. That worked.
  Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then
wo
uld
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

  Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping
and
they
FORCED "prime" on me.
  Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
  Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again
asked
why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
  Also refused to remove it.

  Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
  Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

  That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits",
many

choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice whic
h...

  Yup! You guessed it!
  MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess)
on
e "no"
choice which...

  A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including
a

"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that
you ca
n
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

  Greedy bastards.


I have always avoided prime by asking someone who has it to buy
the item for me and I'll pay them. Yes, a bit of a hassle, but
still avoid it, or.......

I just try and find the item I'm looking for from a vender
offering free shipping independent of prime. This can take some
searching, but more than half of the time I can find my item that
way.

Makes no sense to shell out $ since I don't purchase on Amazon
more than six times a year. I wont do it.
Click to expand...

Buy something from these guys...

<https://catalog.usmint.gov/apollo-11-50th-anniversary-2019-five-
ounce-proof-silver-dollar-19CH.html>

<https://catalog.usmint.gov/apollo-11-50th-anniversary-2019-proof-
silver-dollar-19CC.html>
 
On 11/12/19 1:35 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
  Remember, "prime" costs money EVERY month whether you use it or not.
  TINSTAFFL.

  In the past, the tried 3 times to stop that, saying that i did not
ask for it. That worked.
  Was told to select shipping option 3 days or more and i then would
not be put on the "prime" wagon.

  Well, today using that strategy, i selected 3 day shipping and they
FORCED "prime" on me.
  Used their "chat" and they REFUSED to tell me why.
  Told them i did not ask for it, did not want it and again asked why
was it forced on me; they REFUSED to tell me why.
  Also refused to remove it.

  Went round-robin on this with ZERO budging on their part.
  Finally was told to use some kind related of complaint link.

  That link was filled with ads relating to the "benefits", many
choices FOR this and that and (buried in the mess) one "no" choice which...

  Yup! You guessed it!
  MORE of the same pressure sales BS with (buried in the mess) one "no"
choice which...

  A third array of BS but an easier-to-find "no" link including a
"reminder" that you still have "prime" free for a month and that you can
remain on "prime" by an easy say-so.

  Greedy bastards.
Click to expand...

I also feel that a fast growing firm like Amazon, as well as some
others, probably won't stay at the top of their game long. Usually, the
fastest growers and the largest firms are the first to fall when the
time comes.. Exceptions of course, but in general that's how it seems
to work.
 
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