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Dean Hoffman
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A couple seconds.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI>
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John Robertson
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On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
John
 A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
John
M
Martin Brown
Guest
On 11/11/2020 17:20, John Robertson wrote:
In the UK we are alone amongst the WWI allies not to have a National
Holiday on 11/11 - the mill owners and industrialists wouldn\'t allow it.
There was a half hearted attempt to make it a UK National Holiday for
the Hundredth anniversary of the end of WWI but it came to nothing.
Even this year they had planned a VE Day celebrations National Holiday
but did it by moving May Bank holiday from the Monday to the Friday but
only *after* several manufacturers had already printed their calendars!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-48661884
It was scuppered by Covid although some places had a street party where
everyone sat in their own front garden and played WWII era music...
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
  A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
In the UK we are alone amongst the WWI allies not to have a National
Holiday on 11/11 - the mill owners and industrialists wouldn\'t allow it.
There was a half hearted attempt to make it a UK National Holiday for
the Hundredth anniversary of the end of WWI but it came to nothing.
Even this year they had planned a VE Day celebrations National Holiday
but did it by moving May Bank holiday from the Monday to the Friday but
only *after* several manufacturers had already printed their calendars!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-48661884
It was scuppered by Covid although some places had a street party where
everyone sat in their own front garden and played WWII era music...
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
D
Dean Hoffman
Guest
On 11/11/20 11:31 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
spring up out
of nowhere. The local grocery store was serving free breakfast for
vets from
7-11 this morning.
The paper in our state capital is putting vet\'s pictures in its
online edition.
I\'m in my mid 60s and missed Vietnam. It was winding down just as I
graduated
high school.
This leads to the vet\'s pictures.
<https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/honoring-our-heroes-nebraska-veterans/collection_a6a4f815-7f69-5b16-a09f-27ac8b671016.html#38>
One survivor of Pearl Harbor. Some WWII vets, Korea, and Vietnam,
plus a few more.
That would\'ve been a neat deal. I like those things that justOn 11/11/2020 17:20, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
  A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
In the UK we are alone amongst the WWI allies not to have a National
Holiday on 11/11 - the mill owners and industrialists wouldn\'t allow it.
There was a half hearted attempt to make it a UK National Holiday for
the Hundredth anniversary of the end of WWI but it came to nothing.
Even this year they had planned a VE Day celebrations National Holiday
but did it by moving May Bank holiday from the Monday to the Friday but
only *after* several manufacturers had already printed their calendars!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-48661884
It was scuppered by Covid although some places had a street party where
everyone sat in their own front garden and played WWII era music...
spring up out
of nowhere. The local grocery store was serving free breakfast for
vets from
7-11 this morning.
The paper in our state capital is putting vet\'s pictures in its
online edition.
I\'m in my mid 60s and missed Vietnam. It was winding down just as I
graduated
high school.
This leads to the vet\'s pictures.
<https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/honoring-our-heroes-nebraska-veterans/collection_a6a4f815-7f69-5b16-a09f-27ac8b671016.html#38>
One survivor of Pearl Harbor. Some WWII vets, Korea, and Vietnam,
plus a few more.
P
Phil Hobbs
Guest
On 11/11/20 12:20 PM, John Robertson wrote:
The Kaiser wasn\'t a fascist!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
(dedicated poppy-wearer)
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
  A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
John
The Kaiser wasn\'t a fascist!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
(dedicated poppy-wearer)
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
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Bill Sloman
Guest
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 4:20:33 AM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:
In Australia we have one too. Fascism isn\'t mentioned. My great-uncle died in 1915 from wounds he got on Gallipoli - a few weeks after he got them - in a military hospital on Lemnos.
Mussolini hadn\'t even invented fascism back then, though he may have been working on it (as a minor project)at the time.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
In Australia we have one too. Fascism isn\'t mentioned. My great-uncle died in 1915 from wounds he got on Gallipoli - a few weeks after he got them - in a military hospital on Lemnos.
Mussolini hadn\'t even invented fascism back then, though he may have been working on it (as a minor project)at the time.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian campaign, WWII.
 A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian campaign, WWII.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division must have been reconstituted.
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian campaign, WWII.
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division must have been reconstituted.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 12:20:33 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
It was originally Armistice Day to commemorate the end of WW I, or Weltkrieg I in German. The Kaiser was a great believer in autocratism, not fascism.. People were just fungible commodities to the monarchies and autocrats of the day. Millions of deaths didn\'t faze them. And I recently heard that the Franz Ferdinand character was obsessed with hunting and killing animals, claiming to have killed 350,000 game animals. And we\'re supposed to feel sorry for that asshole?
On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
John
It was originally Armistice Day to commemorate the end of WW I, or Weltkrieg I in German. The Kaiser was a great believer in autocratism, not fascism.. People were just fungible commodities to the monarchies and autocrats of the day. Millions of deaths didn\'t faze them. And I recently heard that the Franz Ferdinand character was obsessed with hunting and killing animals, claiming to have killed 350,000 game animals. And we\'re supposed to feel sorry for that asshole?
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2020 6:30 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Right, he was a replacement. Turned 18 in late August of \'44, into basic
at Ft. Benning right away. On a troop ship across the Atlantic by
mid-November and was headed into the mountains by Christmas.
The Germans had heavily dug in by that point in northern Italy and there
they sat basically waging a guerilla war till May; he was a mortar-man
most of the action he saw (which was not a lot by then) was firing on
dug-in hillside positions in the Apennines when they popped out.
After the German surrender they immediately started training for the
invasion of Japan, where they would have been air-dropped or glider-ed
into the mountains of Kyushu to die.
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian campaign, WWII.
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division must have been reconstituted.
Right, he was a replacement. Turned 18 in late August of \'44, into basic
at Ft. Benning right away. On a troop ship across the Atlantic by
mid-November and was headed into the mountains by Christmas.
The Germans had heavily dug in by that point in northern Italy and there
they sat basically waging a guerilla war till May; he was a mortar-man
most of the action he saw (which was not a lot by then) was firing on
dug-in hillside positions in the Apennines when they popped out.
After the German surrender they immediately started training for the
invasion of Japan, where they would have been air-dropped or glider-ed
into the mountains of Kyushu to die.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2020 7:15 PM, bitrex wrote:
He was a minister\'s son and didn\'t smoke, drink or swear so (among other
reasons) was promoted fairly quickly after the war in Europe ended.
After the war in the Pacific ended they offered him to go to OCS but he
demurred on that which probably helped my chances of existence also as
he would have likely ended up in Korea and the junior officer attrition
rate there early in the war was dreadful.
So he finished up his service till 1946 as an MP in Italy where at one
point he and his buddies \"liberated\" a Red Cross shipment of lemonade
destined for Italian POWs and redirected it to GIs who\'d only had
sketchy water for weeks, technically a war crime I guess.
On 11/11/2020 6:30 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian
campaign, WWII.
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up
pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division
must have been reconstituted.
Right, he was a replacement. Turned 18 in late August of \'44, into basic
at Ft. Benning right away. On a troop ship across the Atlantic by
mid-November and was headed into the mountains by Christmas.
The Germans had heavily dug in by that point in northern Italy and there
they sat basically waging a guerilla war till May; he was a mortar-man
most of the action he saw (which was not a lot by then) was firing on
dug-in hillside positions in the Apennines when they popped out.
After the German surrender they immediately started training for the
invasion of Japan, where they would have been air-dropped or glider-ed
into the mountains of Kyushu to die.
He was a minister\'s son and didn\'t smoke, drink or swear so (among other
reasons) was promoted fairly quickly after the war in Europe ended.
After the war in the Pacific ended they offered him to go to OCS but he
demurred on that which probably helped my chances of existence also as
he would have likely ended up in Korea and the junior officer attrition
rate there early in the war was dreadful.
So he finished up his service till 1946 as an MP in Italy where at one
point he and his buddies \"liberated\" a Red Cross shipment of lemonade
destined for Italian POWs and redirected it to GIs who\'d only had
sketchy water for weeks, technically a war crime I guess.
A
ABLE1
Guest
This means a lot across the board!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2429903/Peace-Day-Reminder-millions-lives-lost-war-artists-stencil-9-000-bodies-Normandy-beach.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2429903/Peace-Day-Reminder-millions-lives-lost-war-artists-stencil-9-000-bodies-Normandy-beach.html
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2020 7:33 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
Yeah. Not sure what he would have made of a memorial remembering German
and/or Japanese soldiers together with Americans and he\'s not available
to ask. I expect his feelings on it were different at age 80 than at age
30.
He wouldn\'t buy a Japanese or German car for many years until he got a
Mazda sometime in the 90s and said it was the greatest car he\'d ever had.
so there ya go.
This means a lot across the board!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2429903/Peace-Day-Reminder-millions-lives-lost-war-artists-stencil-9-000-bodies-Normandy-beach.html
Yeah. Not sure what he would have made of a memorial remembering German
and/or Japanese soldiers together with Americans and he\'s not available
to ask. I expect his feelings on it were different at age 80 than at age
30.
He wouldn\'t buy a Japanese or German car for many years until he got a
Mazda sometime in the 90s and said it was the greatest car he\'d ever had.
so there ya go.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2020 7:15 PM, bitrex wrote:
Looking over the Wiki for the 10th Mountain and some of Dad\'s stuff I
get the impression he was only fully incorporated into the 10th during
the period of preparing for the invasion of Japan, his troop ship sailed
in November and was the USS Wakefield and the 10th left in early
December on the SS Argentina.
I think during wartime in Italy he was technically with the 5th Army,
but the 5th Army and 10th Mountain were associated with each other and
there may have been artillerymen from the 5th attached to the 10th for
some operations.
On 11/11/2020 6:30 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian
campaign, WWII.
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up
pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division
must have been reconstituted.
Right, he was a replacement. Turned 18 in late August of \'44, into basic
at Ft. Benning right away. On a troop ship across the Atlantic by
mid-November and was headed into the mountains by Christmas.
Looking over the Wiki for the 10th Mountain and some of Dad\'s stuff I
get the impression he was only fully incorporated into the 10th during
the period of preparing for the invasion of Japan, his troop ship sailed
in November and was the USS Wakefield and the 10th left in early
December on the SS Argentina.
I think during wartime in Italy he was technically with the 5th Army,
but the 5th Army and 10th Mountain were associated with each other and
there may have been artillerymen from the 5th attached to the 10th for
some operations.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 7:27:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
Those so-called Italian POWs were the Italian Service Units. There were tens of thousands serving the U.S. forces in Europe by 1944. The U.S. Army used them to free up troops from non-combat jobs- things like facilities engineering, construction and maintenance, motorpools, mess halls, supply warehousing, you name it. Eisenhower liked them so much he wanted to keep them working through 1946-1947, but the law prohibited it after the surrenders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Service_Units
On 11/11/2020 7:15 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 6:30 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian
campaign, WWII.
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up
pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division
must have been reconstituted.
Right, he was a replacement. Turned 18 in late August of \'44, into basic
at Ft. Benning right away. On a troop ship across the Atlantic by
mid-November and was headed into the mountains by Christmas.
The Germans had heavily dug in by that point in northern Italy and there
they sat basically waging a guerilla war till May; he was a mortar-man
most of the action he saw (which was not a lot by then) was firing on
dug-in hillside positions in the Apennines when they popped out.
After the German surrender they immediately started training for the
invasion of Japan, where they would have been air-dropped or glider-ed
into the mountains of Kyushu to die.
He was a minister\'s son and didn\'t smoke, drink or swear so (among other
reasons) was promoted fairly quickly after the war in Europe ended.
After the war in the Pacific ended they offered him to go to OCS but he
demurred on that which probably helped my chances of existence also as
he would have likely ended up in Korea and the junior officer attrition
rate there early in the war was dreadful.
So he finished up his service till 1946 as an MP in Italy where at one
point he and his buddies \"liberated\" a Red Cross shipment of lemonade
destined for Italian POWs and redirected it to GIs who\'d only had
sketchy water for weeks, technically a war crime I guess.
Those so-called Italian POWs were the Italian Service Units. There were tens of thousands serving the U.S. forces in Europe by 1944. The U.S. Army used them to free up troops from non-combat jobs- things like facilities engineering, construction and maintenance, motorpools, mess halls, supply warehousing, you name it. Eisenhower liked them so much he wanted to keep them working through 1946-1947, but the law prohibited it after the surrenders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Service_Units
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/12/2020 9:20 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Interesting, didn\'t know about that, thanks.
It\'s difficult for me to know details about his service. By the time I
was old enough to understand it over 40 years had passed and a lot of
his memories were hazy or possibly just wrong and my older siblings
never took any notes from before, unfortunately.
Sadly all of his detailed records about what units he was in, what
operations, performance reports, etc. were destroyed in the National
Archives fire in 1973:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Personnel_Records_Center_fire>
Only basic information remained from secondary sources, enough to put
together a DD214 but that\'s about it.
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 7:27:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 7:15 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 6:30 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2020 7:45 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In memory of Dad, 1926 - 2018, S. Sgt 10th Mountain, Italian
campaign, WWII.
10th Mountain?! You\'re lucky you were even born. They got chewed up
pretty bad with something like 70% killed or wounded. The division
must have been reconstituted.
Right, he was a replacement. Turned 18 in late August of \'44, into basic
at Ft. Benning right away. On a troop ship across the Atlantic by
mid-November and was headed into the mountains by Christmas.
The Germans had heavily dug in by that point in northern Italy and there
they sat basically waging a guerilla war till May; he was a mortar-man
most of the action he saw (which was not a lot by then) was firing on
dug-in hillside positions in the Apennines when they popped out.
After the German surrender they immediately started training for the
invasion of Japan, where they would have been air-dropped or glider-ed
into the mountains of Kyushu to die.
He was a minister\'s son and didn\'t smoke, drink or swear so (among other
reasons) was promoted fairly quickly after the war in Europe ended.
After the war in the Pacific ended they offered him to go to OCS but he
demurred on that which probably helped my chances of existence also as
he would have likely ended up in Korea and the junior officer attrition
rate there early in the war was dreadful.
So he finished up his service till 1946 as an MP in Italy where at one
point he and his buddies \"liberated\" a Red Cross shipment of lemonade
destined for Italian POWs and redirected it to GIs who\'d only had
sketchy water for weeks, technically a war crime I guess.
Those so-called Italian POWs were the Italian Service Units. There were tens of thousands serving the U.S. forces in Europe by 1944. The U.S. Army used them to free up troops from non-combat jobs- things like facilities engineering, construction and maintenance, motorpools, mess halls, supply warehousing, you name it. Eisenhower liked them so much he wanted to keep them working through 1946-1947, but the law prohibited it after the surrenders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Service_Units
Interesting, didn\'t know about that, thanks.
It\'s difficult for me to know details about his service. By the time I
was old enough to understand it over 40 years had passed and a lot of
his memories were hazy or possibly just wrong and my older siblings
never took any notes from before, unfortunately.
Sadly all of his detailed records about what units he was in, what
operations, performance reports, etc. were destroyed in the National
Archives fire in 1973:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Personnel_Records_Center_fire>
Only basic information remained from secondary sources, enough to put
together a DD214 but that\'s about it.
N
none
Guest
In article <e4ddf15c-9d75-4d08-ad2d-9db3e6c26ccfn@googlegroups.com>,
Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
The Kaiser was a polofic hunter all right.
My grandparents had the \"catholic illustrated\" in 1918.
There is a picture of the Kaiser with several dozens of deer
killed. (Some fifty). That took the poor man a whole day.
350,000 ? What did you think he used? 25 cm artillery? 1)
The picture suggests he used a regular rifle.
Next time you Trumps tells you that Obama spent his
presidency golfing, doing 350,000 holes, try a reality check.
Groetjes Albert
1) That is 10\" for you imperialists.
--
This is the first day of the end of your life.
It may not kill you, but it does make your weaker.
If you can\'t beat them, too bad.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 12:20:33 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/11/11 4:45 a.m., Dean Hoffman wrote:
A couple seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgIMJcBpqKI
In Canada we have Remembrance Day as a national holiday to remember
those who fought to stop fascism in all its guises.
John
It was originally Armistice Day to commemorate the end of WW I, or
Weltkrieg I in German. The Kaiser was a great believer in autocratism,
not fascism. People were just fungible commodities to the monarchies
and autocrats of the day. Millions of deaths didn\'t faze them. And I
recently heard that the Franz Ferdinand character was obsessed with
hunting and killing animals, claiming to have killed 350,000 game
animals. And we\'re supposed to feel sorry for that asshole?
The Kaiser was a polofic hunter all right.
My grandparents had the \"catholic illustrated\" in 1918.
There is a picture of the Kaiser with several dozens of deer
killed. (Some fifty). That took the poor man a whole day.
350,000 ? What did you think he used? 25 cm artillery? 1)
The picture suggests he used a regular rifle.
Next time you Trumps tells you that Obama spent his
presidency golfing, doing 350,000 holes, try a reality check.
Groetjes Albert
1) That is 10\" for you imperialists.
--
This is the first day of the end of your life.
It may not kill you, but it does make your weaker.
If you can\'t beat them, too bad.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst