[OT] USA solar eclipse Aug.21.2017

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I had a chance to drive from Indianapolis, IN to Princeton, KY
and see the solar eclipse in the band of full totality. We wound
up about 5 miles away from the center-most area of the darkness
band, about 10 miles south-southwest of Pendleton.

We were at a little church called Eddy Creek Baptist Church, and
there were about 25 people from all over the mid-western US there.
We were all strangers who gathered together at a local place to
witness this incredible event.

I can't describe what it was like to see the sun fully obscured
by the moon. The brilliant white light hair halo which went out
was beyond anything I've ever seen in pictures of a full solar
eclipse. It was so much more white, and almost alive.

The Earth went from having quite a bit of light where everything
was normally visible to our eyesight, to being in the levels of
full eclipse light in only about 10 seconds ... and the change
was astounding.

It wasn't as dark as I expected, but there was still a lot of
light being given from the streaks of hair extending out from
the fully eclipsed sun, and the light on the horizon gave some
light. I would describe it as when it's nighttime and getting
dark and you can't make out details on things any longer, but
you can still see they're there. It was much much brighter
than the strongest fullest moon I've ever seen.

The air cooled quite a bit during the last half of the eclipse,
but when it was fully eclipsed it cooled rapidly, to the point
where even a slight breeze picked up and it even began to feel
a little damp like the start of dew.

Crickets began to chirp. A rooster from a nearby farm house
begin to crow several times. And there was a full 360 degree
sunset-like appearance on the horizon, where every bit of the
horizon sky was red and pink. Several people in our group
took full 360 panoramic views of that horizon.

As the eclipse was approaching, and after it was leaving, the
trees left eclipse shaped sun areas on the ground. A lot of
people here in Indiana reported seeing that as they were not
in the band of totality, but only saw a partial eclipse of
about 85% or so.

It all went by so quick. We each stood there at the church
in full amazement at the moment, what we were seeing, and also
what we were feeling. It brought us all to elation, like the
biggest smiles and happiest faces. We all commented on how
there was so much going on that it was overwhelming. We really
needed to hit the rewind button and go back and experience it
over again and again to take it all in.

-----
I've never experienced anything like it. I went to England in
1996, and I drive through western Canada and Alaska in 2002.
Apart from some other driving trips those are the big ones I
can remember.

This event surpasses the England trip, and is on par with the
Alaska trip, though the Alaska trip was ~20 days and we saw so
much more, and this was only a two-day event to drive down,
witness the eclipse, and drive back.

There's another solar eclipse in the USA on Apr.08.2024. It
will extend from Texas through to Maine. It passes right
through Indianapolis and I live about as close to the center
band of eclipse totality for this next eclipse trek as we were
there near Princeton, KY on this one.

It's nearly seven years away, but I would suggest reserving plans
in the back of your mind to witness this event. And if you live
in another nation and have the opportunity, go and see your local
eclipse in the band of totality. It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).

I recommend it for everybody from young kids to aged adults.
The range of ages we saw there was around retirement, and down
to probably six years old with the grandkids.

My son was 13 years old when he saw this one. He'll be 20 on
the next one (James 4:15 "Lord willing"). If we're able to see
it, it will be exciting for him to see how the two compare with
two different sets of age-group eyes and understandings.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Mr Flibble]

On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]

eclipse in the band of totality.  It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).

[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes? Rick, fuck off; until
you stop posting religious shite I am not interested in your
non-religious posts including those about C++.

/Flibble

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/22/2017 4:23 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality.  It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes?

No. Not even close. Your ignorance of God, of truth, of the
true teachings of the Bible (those supplanted in your mind by
the lies of the devil who presents his twists and falsenesses
to you as though they are truth), will be your undoing, Leigh.

It is not God who will condemn you. You will condemn you,
because you would not hear the truth.

I love you, Leigh. I teach you the way out of condemnation.
It is not a shameful thing to come to God and say, "I need help.
I need to be forgiven." We are all in the same filled-with-sin
boat, and that is why Jesus came in to the world. He came to
save us from Hell fire. He came to save us from our sin. He
came to forgive all who will come to Him and acknowledge before
Him the truth: that you are a sinner, that you have done wrong,
and that you need to be forgiven.

He invites you to be with Him in eternity, Leigh. All you
have to do is acknowledge the truth, and ask forgiveness for
your sin. He could not have made it any easier and still
given you a choice.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Mr Flibble]

On 22/08/2017 21:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

On 8/22/2017 4:23 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality.  It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes?

No.  Not even close.  Your ignorance of God, of truth, of the
true teachings of the Bible (those supplanted in your mind by
the lies of the devil who presents his twists and falsenesses
to you as though they are truth), will be your undoing, Leigh.

It is not God who will condemn you.  You will condemn you,
because you would not hear the truth.

Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is true.

Well consider this:

Assumption #1: Genesis creation story is a myth/allegory and Adam and
Eve are a fiction.
Assumption #2: Jesus Christ (either biblical or historical) existed.

The Bible (Old and New Testaments) describe the genealogy of Jesus
Christ all the way from Joseph and Mary back to Adam and Eve. Given our
two assumptions at what point does this 50-generation genealogy
transition from fact to fiction and what is the proof of this transition?

IMO the entire genealogy is suspect and assumption #2 is bogus. There
is no evidence contemporary to Christ's existence of his existence: it
all came out in the latter part of the first century in writings from
the likes of Josephus and Tacitus a significant time after Jesus's
supposed death. The Gospels themselves are complete hearsay which
wouldn't hold water as evidence in a court of law.

If you now claim that assumption #1 is false despite all the evidence to
the contrary (e.g. weathering of the Grand Canyon, fossils confirming
evolution and evolutionary time scales) then you really are beyond help
as nothing can be done to mitigate such obtuse stupidity.

[snip]
/Flibble

 

[David Brown]

On 22/08/17 22:23, Mr Flibble wrote:

On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality. It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes? Rick, fuck off; until
you stop posting religious shite I am not interested in your
non-religious posts including those about C++.

/Flibble

Look, he wrote a pleasant post about an amazing real-world experience -
watching the eclipse. I have seen one myself, here in Norway, and the
sight is awe-inspiring. It does not matter if you are a dedicated
religious believer marvelling at God's creation, an atheist marvelling
at the beauty of nature, or anything else - if you are human, you will
marvel at a full solar eclipse.

The post was off-topic in all the groups posted, but it was a friendly
post that does no harm. Even the religious content was negligible.

Your ugly, crude, angry and repetitive provocations are /not/ welcome.
They are not helpful, they are not enjoyable, they are not informative,
they are not intelligent, logical or rational. They do nothing but
provoke Rick to post more religious waffle, which nobody wants. They
spoil every thread they touch.

So please take your own advice, and stick to C++.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/22/2017 7:41 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

On 22/08/2017 21:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
On 8/22/2017 4:23 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality.  It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes?

No.  Not even close.  Your ignorance of God, of truth, of the
true teachings of the Bible (those supplanted in your mind by
the lies of the devil who presents his twists and falsenesses
to you as though they are truth), will be your undoing, Leigh.

It is not God who will condemn you.  You will condemn you,
because you would not hear the truth.

Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is true.

Everything I believe is predicated on Jesus Christ being who He
says He is, and a portion of who He is is recorded in the Bible.

The experience every Christian has personally is that our faith
does not resting solely upon the words of Bible, but upon the
application of the One described in the Bible given to us in our
daily lives. I came to faith because I read in the Bible the
truth about God, about sin, about me, about Jesus Christ, but
there is more to God than His written word. There is the full
application of His presence in our daily lives, and it is there,
from withing that relationship He initiates with us and that we
enjoy each day, that the reality of His existence in our lives
is manifest.

We don't hover over a book as our soul source, but we learn
over time that the Bible aligns with God's spirit, and God's
spirit aligns with the Bible, and that there is also another
spirit at work in this world that aligns not with God's spirit
or the teachings of the Bible. It is that anti-Christ spirit,
the exact opposite of Christ, the one who is leading souls to
their destruction, the one who is causing wars and spreading
hate and inflicting disease. He is the one Christ defeated
at the cross, and it is why today we (mankind) has victory
over sin.

-----
The message of salvation is given to all of mankind, Leigh.
Everyone can be saved by believing in Jesus Christ and asking
Him to forgive their sin. But not everybody will be saved.
Many will hear the message, reject it, believe it to be that
which is false, and never accept His offer of salvation, and
will enter into Hellfire for all eternity because of it.

God does not force Himself on people. He calls out to every
soul and says, "Here am I. With everything I possess I stand
before you saying, 'Come, and I will give you eternal life.'"
He calls out to every soul in one way or another, but only
those who answer His call will be saved.

-----
If you can hear His call in your heart, in your inmost core,
in the depths of your soul, from that place where you know
that you are hearing Him, the still small voice inside when
you are at peace, in silence with nothing distracting you,
but then in the stillness, when you are seeking the truth
and being completely honest with yourself ... if you can hear
His call within, then rejoice because it is Him reaching out
to save your eternal soul from judgment, to give you new
life, to restore you to His eternal Kingdom of love, peace,
power, and authority.

The message of the cross is given to all who will be saved.
It is not intended for other people. He doesn't want to
judge us, but He will honor our request. We will either
call upon Him to be our Savior, or call upon Him to be our
judge. The choice is ours, for He has already done every-
thing necessary on both sides. He created Hell to contain
all falseness, and He gave us His Son Jesus Christ to make
a way out of judgment for just the asking.

It's your choice, Leigh. You wanted the power to choose
your own fate? Jesus gives you that choice. Make it a good
one.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/23/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 12:17:14 -0400
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, don't look
at God because you'll die by doing so. (Exodus 33:20) Or, is KJV
implying that God murders you for staring at him? ... Hard to tell.

It's because God is Holy, Holy, Holy, and we are fallen in sin.
No flesh can look upon God and live because the purity of His
holiness would induce judgment and condemnation upon the sin that
lives in us. We would be consumed in an instant.

Because we are born in sin, raised in sin, live in sin, know
the things of this world (which are all in and of sin), we think
we have some kind of handle on the state of reality, and that it
falls within the realm of that which we know.

What the cross teaches us is that there is more, and that we do
not yet know the truth, nor do we have that which we need on our
own. The cross teaches us that there is more, and that all who
will look to the cross will discover this, because God Himself
will lead all who do so to the truth Himself, so that it is not
distorted, not twisted in some way, but for all who will truly
seek the truth, God will ensure personally that they find it.

The truth is it's only when Christ takes our sin away that we
are able to then stand before God again, and look upon Him, and
even then not until we leave this world and receive our new
bodies:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A53-55&version=KJV

It's not difficult to understand and know the truth about God.
It just requires an honest, truth-seeking heart. There are many
teachers around who will give you correct information. There
are not many students who are interested in hearing the lessons
of Jesus Christ because they are too focused on the sin they
enjoy in their life to ever look up, step away, and learn it.

Isn't it an interesting coincidence that the Sun and KJV God are so
similar? Didn't the Egyptians worship the sun God Ra? ...

They are not similar. There is only one God, though there are
many gods:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+8&version=KJV

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in
heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords
many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom
are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus
Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

We also are God's children. Scripture refers to us as gods:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A34-38&version=KJV

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods?

This future, this restoration to our true state, the one sin
fully denies of us here in this world, that is what the enemy
of God is trying to keep us from. He wants us to remain in
our sin-induced ignorance, to believe this world we live in,
these minds we possess, this existence is all there is. He
wants us to stay away from God, stay away from the truth, stay
away from salvation, so that he can defeat us in his rebellion
against God. He wants us dead in his battle, not just here in
sin on the Earth, but in eternity in judgment.

But Jesus has made a way out from that for all who will hear.
He's made a way to restore us to His Kingdom of love, power,
and eternity.

-----
God calls out to you, Rod, and to all people. He doesn't do it
as part of a cocktail joke or a punchline. He doesn't do it as
by the mocking of ignorant souls who say that such a call is
only for fools and weak people. He calls out to His creation
in strength, in honor, in a restoration of all right things.
He does so to give us that which we cannot attain on our own.
He does so to give us a second chance, to overcome death, Hell,
and the grave. He does so to restore us to His Kingdom, and
bring us back despite our many runnings in all manner of other
directions, toward other interests, pushing Him away, kicking
at Him like a spoiled child, demanding that He leave us alone.
Despite all of this, He remains faithful to us, a good Father,
a good God.

There was a skit written and performed at Winterfest in Knoxville
Tennessee in 2006 that outlines this path. It shows God creating
everything, sharing all He has with man, and then sin enters in.
Temptations away from God enter in through those evil spirits
which tempt men away from God toward other things. We see the
downfall of man, the despair from the separation, the confusion.
But we then see how God steps in to overcome and defeat that
which we could not defeat ourselves.

It's such a brilliant skit. I literally have watched it more
than 50 times over the years and cannot watch it without
crying when I see what God did to restore us.

He loves us so much that despite our mass and personal
rebellions against Him, yet did He make a way out for all who
would yet believe and repent of their sinful ways:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyheJ480LYA

-----
Eternity and eternal life are given to mankind. It comes to us
through that which Jesus Christ did on the cross. He made a
way out of our sin. He literally saved us from death.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <onj9qm$9uc$1@dont-email.me>,
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
....
>Look, he wrote a pleasant post about an amazing real-world experience -

(etc - no need to repost)

Heh heh. Here we have a CLC reg actually defending the undefendable -
namely, the egregious Ricky-from-Indiana nutcase.

It's the Trump effect. People (and I use the term loosly here) like Trump
and Ricky just keep hammering away with their nonsense - bringing down the
level of discourse so that we come to accept whatever they do as (almost)
normal. We (and by "we", I mean us as CLC readers/posters and, in the
larger sense, the US media) end up looking desperately for something to
praise - something that's not quite as awful as the rest of it. And thus
every time the Orange One fails to poop his pants on national TV, the media
starts gushing about how "Presidential" he is. And whenever Rick manages
to post something here that isn't completely stupid, we all want,
instinctively, to say "Well done, sir!".

It is human nature to want to find something to praise - something that
validates the BS we were all taught growing up watching Sesame Street - the
idea that there is good in everyone.

--
The book "1984" used to be a cautionary tale;
Now it is a "how-to" manual.

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/23/2017 6:25 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> It is human nature to want to find something to praise...

It is a natural part of us from within, because God put that
natural draw within us. What He teaches us though is that
there is the voice of truth, and the voice of falseness. The
voice of truth only speaks with one voice, but the voice of
falseness has an array to choose from.

We know this from our natural thinking: "How old are you?"
If you're like my 13-year old son and a 15-year old were to
answer "15," he'd say, "No you're not. You're not exactly
15. You're 15 and some number of months, days, hours..."
But all things being equal if you're 15 there's one correct
answer: 15. To answer 14, or 16, or 12, or 20 ... they are
all false answers.

The truth speaks with one voice always. It only speaks of
itself, and it is always triumphant over every falsehood
when things are pressed into and examined. The truth is
the foundation God used to construct His entire universe,
and nothing false or embracing falseness will survive this
world.

-----
God's promise to us is this: Seek the truth and you will
find it. That's His promise because He is truth, and He
knows all who are His own by volition, by seeking, by the
right He gives them to pursue Him in seeking the truth.

It's also why you've never found it, Kenny. You're not
looking for it. You're trying to defend your pre-existing
belief against the truth, trying to force the things that
be into the moulds you've constructed. You, like many
many others, have preformed moulds that you're sure are
right. Anything that is therefore also right must fit
into those moulds. You are unwilling to consider the idea
that your moulds are your own construction, and they're not
truly right. You are unwilling to put down your moulds
and go and look into other things and see where the real
truth is, even the one that doesn't look like a shape
your moulds would produce.

If you ever put down that mould set, and then begin that
journey ... on that very day you will find it, because
all it requires is the tiniest inkling of a real pursuit
of truth, and then it is found because the truth comes
running for you, and He prepares you for the banquet
feast made in your honor:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+15%3A20-24

-----
Kenny, God loves you. He wants you to be a part of His
eternal Kingdom in the paradise of Heaven. It's why He
went through all He did on Earth, and why He endures all
the ridicule and scorn today, and why He calls on us who
already believe to endure the same types of ridicule and
scorn for His name ... because the soul that is saved is
most valuable, precious and dear in His sight. It's why
He came to the Earth as a suffering Savior ... to literally
save that which was lost. To save sinners like you and me.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Ivan Shmakov]

... Heard on a Russian TV channel, in the conclusion of a news
report regarding the (then-forthcoming) event:

In Russia, the eclipse can be observed in Chukotka, Alaska, and some
of the Arctic Ocean islands.

Left me quite wondering...

--
FSF associate member #7257 58F8 0F47 53F5 2EB2 F6A5 8916 3013 B6A0 230E 334A

 

[Ivan Shmakov]

Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> writes:
On 22/08/2017 21:37, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
On 8/22/2017 4:23 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

But the world is flat according to the Bible yes?

No. Not even close.

JFTR, Wikipedia has a whole article [1] on this misconception.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

[...]

Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is
true.

Well consider this:

Assumption #1: Genesis creation story is a myth/allegory and Adam and
Eve are a fiction.

Assumption #2: Jesus Christ (either biblical or historical) existed.

The Bible (Old and New Testaments) describe the genealogy of Jesus
Christ all the way from Joseph and Mary back to Adam and Eve. Given
our two assumptions at what point does this 50-generation genealogy
transition from fact to fiction and what is the proof of this
transition?

IMO the entire genealogy is suspect and assumption #2 is bogus.
There is no evidence contemporary to Christ's existence of his
existence: it all came out in the latter part of the first century in
writings from the likes of Josephus and Tacitus a significant time
after Jesus's supposed death. The Gospels themselves are complete
hearsay which wouldn't hold water as evidence in a court of law.

The Pauline letters are a decent evidence that around 50-60 CE,
the existence of Jesus was not questioned by at least the early
Christians themselves.

It doesn't seem plausible that an entirely fictional person
could become an undisputed historical figure, even in a specific
"subculture," in mere 20 years.

Of course, Wikipedia has this one covered [2], too.

Also of interest could be [2] (which I haven't read yet.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
[2] http://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/Ehrman-v-Craig.html

If you now claim that assumption #1 is false despite all the evidence
to the contrary (e. g. weathering of the Grand Canyon, fossils
confirming evolution and evolutionary time scales)

I see it could only be "contrary" if we assume that "days" in
the first chapter of Genesis refer to regular "earthly" days.

Frankly, I'm not sure that there's an easy way to say "a billion
years" in either Aramaic or biblical Hebrew, and I'm even less
sure that there would have been any need for such specificity.

Hence, I stand by my point that Genesis does not necessarily
contradict "evolution and evolutionary time scales".

[...]

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[Mr Flibble]

On 23/08/2017 18:30, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
[snip]

Hence, I stand by my point that Genesis does not necessarily
contradict "evolution and evolutionary time scales".

If we ignore the days may or may not be billions of years bullshit
Genesis also says that Adam had no parents but as evolution is true we
know humans evolved so there was no first human. Obviously the number
of such flaws in Genesis is legion.

/Flibble

 

[Mr Flibble]

On 23/08/2017 08:15, David Brown wrote:

On 22/08/17 22:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality. It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes? Rick, fuck off; until
you stop posting religious shite I am not interested in your
non-religious posts including those about C++.

/Flibble


Look, he wrote a pleasant post about an amazing real-world experience -
watching the eclipse. I have seen one myself, here in Norway, and the
sight is awe-inspiring. It does not matter if you are a dedicated
religious believer marvelling at God's creation, an atheist marvelling
at the beauty of nature, or anything else - if you are human, you will
marvel at a full solar eclipse.

The post was off-topic in all the groups posted, but it was a friendly
post that does no harm. Even the religious content was negligible.

Your ugly, crude, angry and repetitive provocations are /not/ welcome.
They are not helpful, they are not enjoyable, they are not informative,
they are not intelligent, logical or rational. They do nothing but
provoke Rick to post more religious waffle, which nobody wants. They
spoil every thread they touch.

So please take your own advice, and stick to C++.

Correct me if I am wrong, mate, but this newsgroup doesn't exist for
your personal entertainment and I certainly am not here for your
personal amusement. This newsgroup is for posts about C++ and C++
related projects ONLY; not egregious posts about "God" or similar posts
dressed up as posts about fucking eclipses. I will call out Rick and
other idiots who post OT shite including pointing out, using sound
logical, and rational intelligence why the shite is shite.

/Flibble

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/23/2017 2:37 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

On 23/08/2017 18:30, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
[snip]

    Hence, I stand by my point that Genesis does not necessarily
    contradict "evolution and evolutionary time scales".

If we ignore the days may or may not be billions of years bullshit
Genesis also says that Adam had no parents but as evolution is true we
know humans evolved so there was no first human.  Obviously the number
of such flaws in Genesis is legion.

There appear to be flaws in Genesis because you look at the world's
teachings and viewpoint as though it were true. You accept it based
on what you've been taught as though it were simply true.

There is another examination of that same data, and it is based on
addressing issues which remain in the worldview account.

If you examine the Biblical account, you would see that it is
logical and does account for everything we see in nature through
what we can observe today. It answers questions that remain un-
answered by the worldview account. And it simultaneously validates
the Bible and all Biblical teachings.

The reason why you can so easily believe the worldview point is
because there's an active spiritual enemy leading you toward that
thought in your mind, Leigh. If you would say to that voice, "You
know what? You may be right or wrong, but I'm going to investigate
it for myself," and then really investigate it. You would find the
truth and it would reveal itself to you because of who/what truth
truly is.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Mr Flibble]

On 23/08/2017 19:43, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

On 8/23/2017 2:37 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 23/08/2017 18:30, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
[snip]

    Hence, I stand by my point that Genesis does not necessarily
    contradict "evolution and evolutionary time scales".

If we ignore the days may or may not be billions of years bullshit
Genesis also says that Adam had no parents but as evolution is true we
know humans evolved so there was no first human.  Obviously the number
of such flaws in Genesis is legion.

There appear to be flaws in Genesis because you look at the world's
teachings and viewpoint as though it were true.  You accept it based
on what you've been taught as though it were simply true.

Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is true.

Well consider this:

Assumption #1: Genesis creation story is a myth/allegory and Adam and
Eve are a fiction.
Assumption #2: Jesus Christ (either biblical or historical) existed.

The Bible (Old and New Testaments) describe the genealogy of Jesus
Christ all the way from Joseph and Mary back to Adam and Eve. Given our
two assumptions at what point does this 50-generation genealogy
transition from fact to fiction and what is the proof of this transition?

IMO the entire genealogy is suspect and assumption #2 is bogus. There
is no evidence contemporary to Christ's existence of his existence: it
all came out in the latter part of the first century in writings from
the likes of Josephus and Tacitus a significant time after Jesus's
supposed death. The Gospels themselves are complete hearsay which
wouldn't hold water as evidence in a court of law.

If you now claim that assumption #1 is false despite all the evidence to
the contrary (e.g. weathering of the Grand Canyon, fossils confirming
evolution and evolutionary time scales) then you really are beyond help
as nothing can be done to mitigate such obtuse stupidity.

[snip]

/Flibble

 

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/23/2017 2:45 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> [carbon copy reply snipped]

Do you believe you are in pursuit of truth, Leigh? You are not
listening to another who is teaching you there is an account which
validates the Bible and addresses everything we see in nature.

You discount it summarily. Is that really a pursuit of truth?

All who seek the truth will find it. The rest will perish. You
are at the place of perishing right now, Leigh. If that means
anything to you ... pursue the truth.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

 

[Mr Flibble]

On 23/08/2017 19:48, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

On 8/23/2017 2:45 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
[carbon copy reply snipped]

Do you believe you are in pursuit of truth, Leigh?  You are not
listening to another who is teaching you there is an account which
validates the Bible and addresses everything we see in nature.

You discount it summarily.  Is that really a pursuit of truth?

All who seek the truth will find it.  The rest will perish.  You
are at the place of perishing right now, Leigh.  If that means
anything to you ... pursue the truth.

Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is true.

Well consider this:

Assumption #1: Genesis creation story is a myth/allegory and Adam and
Eve are a fiction.
Assumption #2: Jesus Christ (either biblical or historical) existed.

The Bible (Old and New Testaments) describe the genealogy of Jesus
Christ all the way from Joseph and Mary back to Adam and Eve. Given our
two assumptions at what point does this 50-generation genealogy
transition from fact to fiction and what is the proof of this transition?

IMO the entire genealogy is suspect and assumption #2 is bogus. There
is no evidence contemporary to Christ's existence of his existence: it
all came out in the latter part of the first century in writings from
the likes of Josephus and Tacitus a significant time after Jesus's
supposed death. The Gospels themselves are complete hearsay which
wouldn't hold water as evidence in a court of law.

If you now claim that assumption #1 is false despite all the evidence to
the contrary (e.g. weathering of the Grand Canyon, fossils confirming
evolution and evolutionary time scales) then you really are beyond help
as nothing can be done to mitigate such obtuse stupidity.

/Flibble

 

[Richard Heathfield]

On 23/08/17 19:41, Mr Flibble wrote:

On 23/08/2017 08:15, David Brown wrote:
On 22/08/17 22:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality. It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes? Rick, fuck off; until
you stop posting religious shite I am not interested in your
non-religious posts including those about C++.

/Flibble


Look, he wrote a pleasant post about an amazing real-world experience -
watching the eclipse. I have seen one myself, here in Norway, and the
sight is awe-inspiring. It does not matter if you are a dedicated
religious believer marvelling at God's creation, an atheist marvelling
at the beauty of nature, or anything else - if you are human, you will
marvel at a full solar eclipse.

The post was off-topic in all the groups posted, but it was a friendly
post that does no harm. Even the religious content was negligible.

Your ugly, crude, angry and repetitive provocations are /not/ welcome.
They are not helpful, they are not enjoyable, they are not informative,
they are not intelligent, logical or rational. They do nothing but
provoke Rick to post more religious waffle, which nobody wants. They
spoil every thread they touch.

So please take your own advice, and stick to C++.

Correct me if I am wrong, mate, but this newsgroup doesn't exist for
your personal entertainment

Nor for yours. Rick is in my killfile, so it's entirely your fault that
I'm seeing his drivel. It's also entirely your fault that I'm seeing
/your/ drivel. David Brown is a valued contributor to comp.lang.c
whereas I don't recognise your name at all except in the context of
re-posting Rick's nonsense.

and I certainly am not here for your
personal amusement. This newsgroup is for posts about C++ and C++

C++ is not topical in comp.lang.c to which this thread is cross-posted.

related projects ONLY; not egregious posts about "God" or similar posts
dressed up as posts about fucking eclipses. I will call out Rick and
other idiots who post OT shite including pointing out, using sound
logical, and rational intelligence why the shite is shite.

And thus you spread the shite around so that everyone gets a share, and
that's supposed to be intelligent behaviour, is it?

*PLONK*

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

 

[Mr Flibble]

On 23/08/2017 20:51, Richard Heathfield wrote:

On 23/08/17 19:41, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 23/08/2017 08:15, David Brown wrote:
On 22/08/17 22:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality.  It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes? Rick, fuck off; until
you stop posting religious shite I am not interested in your
non-religious posts including those about C++.

/Flibble


Look, he wrote a pleasant post about an amazing real-world experience -
watching the eclipse.  I have seen one myself, here in Norway, and the
sight is awe-inspiring.  It does not matter if you are a dedicated
religious believer marvelling at God's creation, an atheist marvelling
at the beauty of nature, or anything else - if you are human, you will
marvel at a full solar eclipse.

The post was off-topic in all the groups posted, but it was a friendly
post that does no harm.  Even the religious content was negligible.

Your ugly, crude, angry and repetitive provocations are /not/ welcome.
They are not helpful, they are not enjoyable, they are not informative,
they are not intelligent, logical or rational.  They do nothing but
provoke Rick to post more religious waffle, which nobody wants.  They
spoil every thread they touch.

So please take your own advice, and stick to C++.

Correct me if I am wrong, mate, but this newsgroup doesn't exist for
your personal entertainment

Nor for yours. Rick is in my killfile, so it's entirely your fault that
I'm seeing his drivel. It's also entirely your fault that I'm seeing
/your/ drivel. David Brown is a valued contributor to comp.lang.c
whereas I don't recognise your name at all except in the context of
re-posting Rick's nonsense.

and I certainly am not here for your
personal amusement.  This newsgroup is for posts about C++ and C++

C++ is not topical in comp.lang.c to which this thread is cross-posted.

C has no place in modern software development and discourse; it is a
dead language. C++ has subsumed C.

/Flibble

 

[rickman]

Mr Flibble wrote on 8/23/2017 4:30 PM:

On 23/08/2017 20:51, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 23/08/17 19:41, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 23/08/2017 08:15, David Brown wrote:
On 22/08/17 22:23, Mr Flibble wrote:
On 22/08/2017 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[snip]
eclipse in the band of totality. It's an experience you'll never
forget, and it is deeply moving on so many levels (its raw beauty,
the sense of awe it inspires, and there are emotional and spiritual
components as you look up and see this massive thing in the uni-
verse where, for a moment, you are able to realize how small you
truly are, and how big God's creation truly is).
[snip]
But the world is flat according to the Bible yes? Rick, fuck off; until
you stop posting religious shite I am not interested in your
non-religious posts including those about C++.

/Flibble


Look, he wrote a pleasant post about an amazing real-world experience -
watching the eclipse. I have seen one myself, here in Norway, and the
sight is awe-inspiring. It does not matter if you are a dedicated
religious believer marvelling at God's creation, an atheist marvelling
at the beauty of nature, or anything else - if you are human, you will
marvel at a full solar eclipse.

The post was off-topic in all the groups posted, but it was a friendly
post that does no harm. Even the religious content was negligible.

Your ugly, crude, angry and repetitive provocations are /not/ welcome.
They are not helpful, they are not enjoyable, they are not informative,
they are not intelligent, logical or rational. They do nothing but
provoke Rick to post more religious waffle, which nobody wants. They
spoil every thread they touch.

So please take your own advice, and stick to C++.

Correct me if I am wrong, mate, but this newsgroup doesn't exist for
your personal entertainment

Nor for yours. Rick is in my killfile, so it's entirely your fault that
I'm seeing his drivel. It's also entirely your fault that I'm seeing
/your/ drivel. David Brown is a valued contributor to comp.lang.c whereas
I don't recognise your name at all except in the context of re-posting
Rick's nonsense.

and I certainly am not here for your
personal amusement. This newsgroup is for posts about C++ and C++

C++ is not topical in comp.lang.c to which this thread is cross-posted.

C has no place in modern software development and discourse; it is a dead
language. C++ has subsumed C.

Is this an attempt to return to being on topic?

I suppose you are not a fan of the Forth language either?

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998