OT: UK phone line problem

[Terry Pinnell]

My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?

Once I find the break I can replace with a new section of cable.

Can anyone think of a smarter way of detecting the precise location of
the assumed break *before* cutting it? Would a magnetic earpiece pick
up a signal from the voltage carrying section, for example, with no
current flowing?

---------
If there are any UK phone experts around, I have a further query
please.

This is a Pipex Homecall contract. If we did instead manage to reach
Pipex Customer Service (no success so far after many attempts over a
period of 30 mins or so - constantly engaged), would they send an
engineer to do what I'm proposing to do myself?

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

[Adrian C]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?

Breach of your service contract to go fiddling. Just report it to the
*cancellations* department. Oh, how many times have you been told to
ditch Tiscali?

This would have been better posted under the uk.telecom heirarchy and
certainly not to sci.electronics.design

--
Adrian C

 

[Joerg]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?

You can also unhook outside the house at the demarc point, cut separate,
re-connect.

Once I find the break I can replace with a new section of cable.

Can anyone think of a smarter way of detecting the precise location of
the assumed break *before* cutting it? Would a magnetic earpiece pick
up a signal from the voltage carrying section, for example, with no
current flowing?

If the line also has DSL on it you can run a portable AM radio on a
vacant frequency along it. Use a low frequency or longwave if your radio
has that. Where there is a noticable drop in hash the break would be.
But it sure ain't easy to break a wire inside a cable without the whole
cable snapping. Sure there isn't a junction box somewhere?

---------
If there are any UK phone experts around, I have a further query
please.

This is a Pipex Homecall contract. If we did instead manage to reach
Pipex Customer Service (no success so far after many attempts over a
period of 30 mins or so - constantly engaged), would they send an
engineer to do what I'm proposing to do myself?

Go on the web and try to find the number of the highest ranking guy
there, preferably the CEO. Then have at it. In the US a hint about
utility commision complaint sometimes does the trick. Didn't have to do
that yet but had to with insurance carriers, twice. Boy did that get a
prompt reaction, made them shake in their boots.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[BobW]

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com...

My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?

Once I find the break I can replace with a new section of cable.

Can anyone think of a smarter way of detecting the precise location of
the assumed break *before* cutting it? Would a magnetic earpiece pick
up a signal from the voltage carrying section, for example, with no
current flowing?

[snip]

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

There are tone injectors and tone probes for doing exactly what you want.
However, they'll cost you more than you want to pay.

It sounds like you need professional help (telephonically, not
psychologically).

Bob
--
== All google group posts are automatically deleted due to spam ==

 

[don]

BobW wrote:

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com...
My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?

Once I find the break I can replace with a new section of cable.

Can anyone think of a smarter way of detecting the precise location of
the assumed break *before* cutting it? Would a magnetic earpiece pick
up a signal from the voltage carrying section, for example, with no
current flowing?


[snip]

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

There are tone injectors and tone probes for doing exactly what you want.
However, they'll cost you more than you want to pay.

It sounds like you need professional help (telephonically, not
psychologically).

Bob

Well its his wifes phone, and you know how women like their phones !!

don

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com>,
Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

If it is dead at the master socket, get the service provider in. Anything
before this is their responsibility.

--
*Ever stop to think and forget to start again?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Terry Pinnell]

Adrian C <email@here.invalid> wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?


Breach of your service contract to go fiddling. Just report it to the
*cancellations* department. Oh, how many times have you been told to
ditch Tiscali?

This would have been better posted under the uk.telecom heirarchy and
certainly not to sci.electronics.design

Posted similar query there too and have had a helpful reply thanks.

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

[abo mahab]

Prophet Jesus and The Da Vinci Code


This article appeared in a Magazine Radiance NewsWeekly.

We reproduce this article for the Readers of The True Call
DR. MUZAMMIL H. SIDDIQI clarifies the position of Prophet Jesus in the
light of the Qur��n and calls upon Muslims to use this opportunity to
inform others about Islamic position about Jesus, peace be upon him.

Say ye: �We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to
Abraham, Isma�il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to
Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we
make no difference between one and another of them: and we bow to
Allah (in Islam).ďż˝ (Al-Baqarah 2:136)

Behold! the angels said: �O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad tidings of a
Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in
honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those
nearest to Allah. (Al �Imran 3:45) We believe in all the Prophets and
Messengers of Allah. We respect and honor all of them without any
discrimination. We believe that all Prophets preached the message of
Tawhid (monotheism) and all of them invited human beings to worship
Allah alone and to live righteous life. Prophet Muhammad �peace be
upon him- was not the only Prophet of God, but he was the last and
final Prophet of God. Prophet Muhammad is not the founder of Islam;
all Prophets submitted to God (Muslims) and followed the way of
submission to God (Islam). We believe that Jesus was one of the great
prophets of God. In the Qur��n he is called �Isa. He is also known as
al-Masih (the Christ) and Ibn Maryam (Son of Mary). He has many other
honorable names and titles in the Qur��n. He is a highly respected
religious figure. Every Muslim believes in him, honours him and loves
him. His mother is also highly respected, loved and honoured. There
are hundreds of thousands of Muslim men all over the world who feel
proud and blessed to have the name �Isa; as there are thousands of
Muslim women who feel honoured and blessed to be called Maryam.

There is a big controversy going on all over the world at this time
about Dan Brown�s novel known as The Da Vinci Code. This novel has
become a big thriller and until now more than 45 million copies of it
are sold. Today a movie is going to be released based on this novel.
Many Christians, especially Catholics are outraged with this novel. In
several countries Christians are protesting and asking their
governments to ban this novel and its movie. Some Bishops and
Cardinals referred to Danish Cartoons against Prophet Muhammad and
said that Muslims were angry with a few cartoons we should be more
angry with this book. Some Muslims and non-Muslims are asking our
reaction to this book.

We as Muslims do not want to be known as people who react only when
something wrong is done to the blessed name of our Prophet Muhammad
only. We stand for the respect of all religious figures of all
religions. Furthermore, Jesus �peace be upon him- is also a blessed
Prophet to us. We believe in him and honour him. We also have
something to say something about this novel and movie.

There are two things that I would like to say about the Da Vinci Code
and its movie. One is positive and the other is negative. The positive
thing is that it says that for the first four centuries Jesus was
known only as a Prophet of God, not God. At the Council of Nicea
around the year 325 CE the Emperor Constantine and some Bishops with
him changed the true teachings of Jesus. The Da Vinci Code also says
that Jesus ďż˝ peace be upon him - married one of his female disciples
Mary Magdalene and had children and his descendants still exist.
Although the Qur��n does not say anything about Jesus� marriage, his
wife or children (nor does the New Testament); there is nothing wrong
from the Islamic point of view if he was married and produced
children. Allah says in the Qur��n:

We did send Messengers before thee, and appointed for them wives and
children: and it was never the part of a Messenger to bring a Sign
except as Allah permitted (or commanded). For each period is a Book
(revealed). (Hud 13:38)

Some Christians consider this a blasphemy. According to them to say
that Jesus was married means that he was not God. Although they say
that God had a son (na�udh billah); but they say that Jesus could not
have a son. However, as Muslims we say that if he was not married then
this does not make him God; because Prophet Yahya (John the Baptist)
who was Jesusďż˝ contemporary was not married and no one considered him
divine. Celibacy does not make any person divine. And if Jesus was
married then this does not take away his honour because there were
many prophets before him and after him who were married and had
offspring. It is interesting to see a number of books produced today
by Christian writers that also say that Jesus was not crucified and he
never claimed to be �the Son of God.� This is what the Qur��n said
long time ago.

There is, however, a negative side of the Da Vinci Code for which we
as Muslims should criticise it. The Da Vinci Code is a novel, a
fiction. It has not presented facts about Jesusďż˝ life in a serious and
respectful manner. It has fictionalised his life and story and in this
sense it has downgraded this great Messenger of Allah. The author of
the Da Vinci Code took some historical facts and then spun a mystery
story to thrill and chill his readers. God�s Prophets and His
Messengers should not be treated in this manner. They are entitled to
receive utmost honour and respect from us. It is for this reason Islam
forbids making pictures of Allah�s Prophets and Messengers and also
forbids making fictitious stories and movies about them. Islam teaches
us that we should present their Sirah (life and teachings) with great
care, respect and utmost authenticity.

The Prophet ďż˝ peace be upon him- said: Convey from me even it is one
verse. Speak about Bani Israel without any hesitation; but whosoever
tells a lie about me, let him prepare his place in Hell. (Al-Bukhari
3202)

 

[baron]

Dave Plowman (News) Inscribed thus:

In article <395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com>,
Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious
sign, nothing visible.

If it is dead at the master socket, get the service provider in.
Anything before this is their responsibility.

And not legal for the OP to even touch !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Terry Pinnell]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com>,
Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

If it is dead at the master socket, get the service provider in. Anything
before this is their responsibility.

That's what turned out to be the case Dave. I wish I'd started at that
end. But I was put off by the mess of wires in that junction box and
their inaccessibility. And anyway I'd convinced myself it was down to
the window cleaner! After finding no voltages before the suspect break
section I bit the bullet and tested at source. No voltages there
either.

Several frustrating calls later to service support staff of Pipex
(Tiscali now I think) in various far parts of the globe, and after
getting authorised by my wife to speak on her behalf, I finally have a
promise of someone *phoning* me to discuss the problem in 24-48 hours.
BTW, during these conversations I was told that no faults had been
reported that could be the cause of the problem! It's now 18 hours
since we first discovered the issue, so leaves me wondering what
*could* be the cause, and how it could apparently remain undetected?

Just finished repairing my cut in the cable. Six wires, individually
soldered and heat-shrinked, and an outer heat shrink on top. Basically
the whole morning down the tubes ;-(

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

[Terry Pinnell]

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com>,
Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

If it is dead at the master socket, get the service provider in. Anything
before this is their responsibility.

That's what turned out to be the case Dave. I wish I'd started at that
end. But I was put off by the mess of wires in that junction box and
their inaccessibility. And anyway I'd convinced myself it was down to
the window cleaner! After finding no voltages before the suspect break
section I bit the bullet and tested at source. No voltages there
either.

Several frustrating calls later to service support staff of Pipex
(Tiscali now I think) in various far parts of the globe, and after
getting authorised by my wife to speak on her behalf, I finally have a
promise of someone *phoning* me to discuss the problem in 24-48 hours.
BTW, during these conversations I was told that no faults had been
reported that could be the cause of the problem! It's now 18 hours
since we first discovered the issue, so leaves me wondering what
*could* be the cause, and how it could apparently remain undetected?

Just finished repairing my cut in the cable. Six wires, individually
soldered and heat-shrinked, and an outer heat shrink on top. Basically
the whole morning down the tubes ;-(

But from a reply I've just had in uk.telecoms it seems that conclusion
was premature!

"The fault is a short circuit (hence the engaged tone), so with all
the wiring connected a short circuit anywhere between exchange and
master socket will result in the voltage across the incoming pair
being close to zero. Only after disconnecting the wiring beyond the
external junction box can you check whether the voltage on the line
from the exchange is now back to 50v, or whether it is still near
zero, the latter indicating that the fault lies on the exchange side
of the external box."

But I didn't *remove* the active pair, I just exposed some
bare wire on them and looked for a voltage reading, in vain. Can't do
so today, but tomorrow I'll test again, properly this time!

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <lslb55dmkhnp9keb24vrmi6p0fd8b65qjt@4ax.com>,
Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

"The fault is a short circuit (hence the engaged tone), so with all
the wiring connected a short circuit anywhere between exchange and
master socket will result in the voltage across the incoming pair
being close to zero. Only after disconnecting the wiring beyond the
external junction box can you check whether the voltage on the line
from the exchange is now back to 50v, or whether it is still near
zero, the latter indicating that the fault lies on the exchange side
of the external box."

Why an external JB? BT normally bring the external wiring indoors before
jointing it.

--
*Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Joerg]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com>,
Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.
If it is dead at the master socket, get the service provider in. Anything
before this is their responsibility.
That's what turned out to be the case Dave. I wish I'd started at that
end. But I was put off by the mess of wires in that junction box and
their inaccessibility. And anyway I'd convinced myself it was down to
the window cleaner! After finding no voltages before the suspect break
section I bit the bullet and tested at source. No voltages there
either.

Several frustrating calls later to service support staff of Pipex
(Tiscali now I think) in various far parts of the globe, and after
getting authorised by my wife to speak on her behalf, I finally have a
promise of someone *phoning* me to discuss the problem in 24-48 hours.

This would be the point where one needs to ponder whether or not to tuck
the tail and return to old Missy Bell. At least out here (AT&T land)
they are pretty responsive.

BTW, during these conversations I was told that no faults had been
reported that could be the cause of the problem! It's now 18 hours
since we first discovered the issue, so leaves me wondering what
*could* be the cause, and how it could apparently remain undetected?

Just finished repairing my cut in the cable. Six wires, individually
soldered and heat-shrinked, and an outer heat shrink on top. Basically
the whole morning down the tubes ;-(

But from a reply I've just had in uk.telecoms it seems that conclusion
was premature!

"The fault is a short circuit (hence the engaged tone), so with all
the wiring connected a short circuit anywhere between exchange and
master socket will result in the voltage across the incoming pair
being close to zero. Only after disconnecting the wiring beyond the
external junction box can you check whether the voltage on the line
from the exchange is now back to 50v, or whether it is still near
zero, the latter indicating that the fault lies on the exchange side
of the external box."

But I didn't *remove* the active pair, I just exposed some
bare wire on them and looked for a voltage reading, in vain. Can't do
so today, but tomorrow I'll test again, properly this time!

Whoops ...

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:04:25 +0100, Terry Pinnell
<terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

:"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
:
:>In article <395a55la8mgg3lmvl3e7a6eaukfm87k364@4ax.com>,
:> Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
:>> My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
:>> a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
:>> line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
:>> was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
:>> nothing visible.
:>
:>If it is dead at the master socket, get the service provider in. Anything
:>before this is their responsibility.
:
:That's what turned out to be the case Dave. I wish I'd started at that
:end. But I was put off by the mess of wires in that junction box and
:their inaccessibility. And anyway I'd convinced myself it was down to
:the window cleaner! After finding no voltages before the suspect break
:section I bit the bullet and tested at source. No voltages there
:either.
:
:Several frustrating calls later to service support staff of Pipex
Tiscali now I think) in various far parts of the globe, and after
:getting authorised by my wife to speak on her behalf, I finally have a
romise of someone *phoning* me to discuss the problem in 24-48 hours.
:BTW, during these conversations I was told that no faults had been
:reported that could be the cause of the problem! It's now 18 hours
:since we first discovered the issue, so leaves me wondering what
:*could* be the cause, and how it could apparently remain undetected?

What they probably meant was that there had been no other reports from customers
which might indicate a general distribution cable fault. The fault condition is
most likely only concerned with your phone line or subscriber interface circuit
in the exchange. So dd you actually "report" your phone service as faulty, or
did you simply ask if they had had any reports? Unless you actually lodge a
fault report for your phone they won't do anything to fix it even if the problem
is in their domain.

If you don't see any line voltage at the demarcation socket then report it as a
fault so they can take action to repair it. That should be all there is to it.

:
:Just finished repairing my cut in the cable. Six wires, individually
:soldered and heat-shrinked, and an outer heat shrink on top. Basically
:the whole morning down the tubes ;-(

 

[Terry Pinnell]

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

My wife's phone line is dead, no dialing tone. This is directly after
a visit by our occasional window cleaner. I suspect he strained the
line where it leaves an upstairs bedroom, directly below a window he
was cleaning while standing on the tiles. But there's no obvious sign,
nothing visible.

So I plan to cut the line at X close to the wall and again a few feet
further on at Y, a point beyond which the cable seems well protected
and unlikely to have been damaged. And check for a voltage. There
seems no easy way to first disconnect from the exchange connection, so
there will be a voltage present at Y. Therefore inevitably a short
will occur when I make that cut. Is that safe to do nevertheless?
Presumably there is inbuilt protection for this at the exchange?

Once I find the break I can replace with a new section of cable.

Can anyone think of a smarter way of detecting the precise location of
the assumed break *before* cutting it? Would a magnetic earpiece pick
up a signal from the voltage carrying section, for example, with no
current flowing?

---------
If there are any UK phone experts around, I have a further query
please.

This is a Pipex Homecall contract. If we did instead manage to reach
Pipex Customer Service (no success so far after many attempts over a
period of 30 mins or so - constantly engaged), would they send an
engineer to do what I'm proposing to do myself?

Fixed. OpenReach engineer diagnosed as a shorting pair of wires in a
junction box 800m away.

Window cleaner fully exonerated - without ever knowing he was a
suspect ;-)

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

[Joerg]

Terry Pinnell wrote:
[...]

Fixed. OpenReach engineer diagnosed as a shorting pair of wires in a
junction box 800m away.

Wait until you guys get hit with all those RoHS tin whiskers ...

--
SCNR, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[TTman]

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7bru07F24phlvU3@mid.individual.net...

Terry Pinnell wrote:
[...]

Fixed. OpenReach engineer diagnosed as a shorting pair of wires in a
junction box 800m away.


Wait until you guys get hit with all those RoHS tin whiskers ...

--

I think Telecoms ( and military/Medical) is exempt from RoHS...

 

[Joerg]

TTman wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7bru07F24phlvU3@mid.individual.net...
Terry Pinnell wrote:
[...]

Fixed. OpenReach engineer diagnosed as a shorting pair of wires in a
junction box 800m away.

Wait until you guys get hit with all those RoHS tin whiskers ...

--

I think Telecoms ( and military/Medical) is exempt from RoHS...

Probably so, but eventually COTS gear will sneak in. Stuff that's also
sold into other markets with a RoHS requirement and which only comes in
one version. Also, in the homes there'd be the DSL modems, DSL filters,
answering machines, the telephones themselves etc.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:45:01 +0100, "TTman" <someone.pc@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7bru07F24phlvU3@mid.individual.net...
Terry Pinnell wrote:
[...]

Fixed. OpenReach engineer diagnosed as a shorting pair of wires in a
junction box 800m away.


Wait until you guys get hit with all those RoHS tin whiskers ...

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I think Telecoms ( and military/Medical) is exempt from RoHS...

Only the military is really exempt. Space segment and other ultra

high reliability have conditional exclusions. Medical has a few. And
telecom has fewer still. But it will take over ten more years for the
regulators (idiots) to find out the truth.