OT: TV/film scenario?

[N_Cook]

Anyone ever seen a cops+robbers/ thriller with the following scenario.?
Someone gets "handcuffed" with nylon cable tie, around a water pipe or
whatever . And then he uses his mouth and the clasp-pin of the
conventional strap to his watch to disengage the pawl/latch of the cable
tie and free his hands and then escape

 

[Rich Webb]

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:29:59 +0000, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

Anyone ever seen a cops+robbers/ thriller with the following scenario.?
Someone gets "handcuffed" with nylon cable tie, around a water pipe or
whatever . And then he uses his mouth and the clasp-pin of the
conventional strap to his watch to disengage the pawl/latch of the cable
tie and free his hands and then escape

So, what are you planning? Nevermind; don't want to know... ;-)

If he can get to the cable tie with his mouth, I'd guess that it would
be faster/easier just to chew through the nylon strap. On the other
hand, this would be taking place in the universe where locks are
routinely picked with a random piece of wire and a couple of jiggles,
so I suppose your scenario is no less unfeasible -- especially if the
Bad Guy was courteous enough to clip the protruding end so that Our
Hero only needed to pull through the remaining couple of mm.

 

[RobertMacy]

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:17:59 -0700, Rich Webb <webb.ra@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:29:59 +0000, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

Anyone ever seen a cops+robbers/ thriller with the following scenario.?
Someone gets "handcuffed" with nylon cable tie, around a water pipe or
whatever . And then he uses his mouth and the clasp-pin of the
conventional strap to his watch to disengage the pawl/latch of the cable
tie and free his hands and then escape

So, what are you planning? Nevermind; don't want to know... ;-)

If he can get to the cable tie with his mouth, I'd guess that it would
be faster/easier just to chew through the nylon strap. On the other
hand, this would be taking place in the universe where locks are
routinely picked with a random piece of wire and a couple of jiggles,
so I suppose your scenario is no less unfeasible -- especially if the
Bad Guy was courteous enough to clip the protruding end so that Our
Hero only needed to pull through the remaining couple of mm.

Similar on AMC's "Breaking Bad" series where Bryan Cranston's character
BURNT through his cable tie handcuffs to escape. Amazingly he never placed
any item between his flesh and the melting/burning cable tie as a shield,
but oh well added to the empathetic pain the viewer 'enjoyed'

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"RobertMacy" wrote in message newsp.w9brylcg2cx0wh@ajm...

Similar on AMC's "Breaking Bad" series where Bryan Cranston's
character BURNT through his cable tie handcuffs to escape.
Amazingly he never placed any item between his flesh and the
melting/burning cable tie as a shield, but oh well added to the
empathetic pain the viewer 'enjoyed'.

I saw this -- absurd!

He shorted the ends of a cut AC cord to create an electrical arc. Problem is,
had the arc been sustained, the breaker would have blown long before the cable
tie was severed.

Yet another technical/scientific error in a series rife with them.

For those not aware, it /is/ possible, with small screwdriver (or some other
little pointy thing) to release the lock in a cable tie, so you can reuse it.

 

[dave]

On 01/07/2014 09:04 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"RobertMacy" wrote in message newsp.w9brylcg2cx0wh@ajm...

Similar on AMC's "Breaking Bad" series where Bryan Cranston's
character BURNT through his cable tie handcuffs to escape.
Amazingly he never placed any item between his flesh and the
melting/burning cable tie as a shield, but oh well added to the
empathetic pain the viewer 'enjoyed'.

I saw this -- absurd!

He shorted the ends of a cut AC cord to create an electrical arc.
Problem is, had the arc been sustained, the breaker would have blown
long before the cable tie was severed.

Yet another technical/scientific error in a series rife with them.

For those not aware, it /is/ possible, with small screwdriver (or some
other little pointy thing) to release the lock in a cable tie, so you
can reuse it.

They don't use TyRaps. The "disposable" cuffs have tactical features
that preclude opening them as easily as the metal ones (safety pin).

 

[RobertMacy]

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:04:15 -0700, William Sommerwerck
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

...snip...
I saw this -- absurd!

He shorted the ends of a cut AC cord to create an electrical arc.
Problem is, had the arc been sustained, the breaker would have blown
long before the cable tie was severed.

Yet another technical/scientific error in a series rife with them.

For those not aware, it /is/ possible, with small screwdriver (or some
other little pointy thing) to release the lock in a cable tie, so you
can reuse it.

yes, was absurd, because he drew the arc across the insulating cable tie.

However, the breaker may, or may not, have gone off. Depends on the kind
of breaker.

Years ago, in our bedroom we had a UL approved extension cord plugged into
an outlet adjacent to the bed. Nothing plugged into the cord, just there
for when we needed it. The outlet was fairly new and also labeled UL
approved, and both probably were since this is a bit before China products
influxed the market.

Ms. Macy was sitting on the edge of the bed and declared to me, across the
room, "What's that noise?" Sounded like a zit, zit, zit, or such. She
continued to listen for the origin as I moved around the room searching
for the origin of the strange sound. Suddenly a loud sounding arc started
between the blades of the extension cord plugged into the outlet. The arc
carbonized the plastic and continued the process getting bright with
flames suddenly going up the wall adjacent to the curtains! I immediately
unplugged the extension cord, probably stupid to reach in without proper
precautions, but the action worked, the arc stopped and the flames
disappeared.

Upon examining the outlet, it was clearly obvious an arc had burned a
trail across and through the "UL approved" material. Had we not been there
at that exact time and circumstance we could have easily lost much of our
100 year old home containing wood that is now VERY dried out!

I was livid went back to where I had purchased the outlets and extension
cords [actually a very reputable hardware store] and they were as
flabbergasted as I was. Later, upon relating the incident to a fireman, he
told me that was something like the cause of 90% of home fires?! Say
what?! I guess it takes a special breaker to prevent this scenario. Now
there are 'heated' breakers that trip BEFORE such an arc can start. We
have them as circuit breakers to all the outlets in all the bedrooms now.

Don't worry quite as much, but still worry.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"RobertMacy" wrote in message newsp.w9bv6mas2cx0wh@ajm...

However, the breaker may, or may not, have gone off.
Depends on the kind of breaker.

About 15 years ago, a fire marshal (not Jim Carrey) warned me about the
thermal breakers common in outlet strips. He said they often have a high
resistance, and under heavy loads (though not higher than those the strip was
rated for) could overheat and start a fire.

 

[amdx]

On 1/7/2014 9:29 AM, N_Cook wrote:

Anyone ever seen a cops+robbers/ thriller with the following scenario.?
Someone gets "handcuffed" with nylon cable tie, around a water pipe or
whatever . And then he uses his mouth and the clasp-pin of the
conventional strap to his watch to disengage the pawl/latch of the cable
tie and free his hands and then escape

No, but I did see an episode of "Cop's" where a skinny drug abusing
woman slipped the handcuffs off and attempted to flee. Didn't get far.
She got slammed on the ground for her attempt.
Mikek

 

[Cydrome Leader]

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

"RobertMacy" wrote in message newsp.w9bv6mas2cx0wh@ajm...

However, the breaker may, or may not, have gone off.
Depends on the kind of breaker.

About 15 years ago, a fire marshal (not Jim Carrey) warned me about the
thermal breakers common in outlet strips. He said they often have a high
resistance, and under heavy loads (though not higher than those the strip was
rated for) could overheat and start a fire.

they sure do.

I've seen multiple fires (limited to the power strip) caused by these
pieces of junk.

Just came across a mini air compressor with a ~1HP motor (which of course
said 4HP on the label) that kept cutting out. Resistance of the 17A push
to reset breaker was almost 2 ohms, after being reset.

Not too surprisingly the thing would buzz loudly, never start, then trip.
Somebody else replaced the breaker and it still won't start, but it
doesn't trip now.

 

Well, a kid down in North Carolina was handcuffed behind his back in the back of a police car and managed to shoot himself in the head.

Of course the camera was turned off at the time.