[OT:] Thanksgiving

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Guy Macon

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Many ages ago our fathers were living in dens and caves.
Their bodies, their low foreheads, were covered with hair.
They were eating berries, roots, bark and vermin. They were
fond of snakes and raw fish. They discovered fire and,
probably by accident, learned how to cause it by friction.
They found how to warm themselves --- to fight the frost and
storm. They fashioned clubs and rude weapons of stone with
which they killed the larger beasts and now and then each
other. Slowly, painfully, almost imperceptibly they
advanced. They crawled and stumbled, staggered and struggled
toward the light. To them the world was unknown. On every
hand was the mysterious, the sinister, the hurtful. The
forests were filled with monsters, and the darkness was
crowded with ghosts, devils, and fiendish gods.

These poor wretches were the slaves of fear, the sport of
dreams.

Now and then, one rose a little above his fellows -- used
his senses -- the little reason that he had -- found
something new -- some better way. Then the people killed him
and afterward knelt with reverence at his grave. Then
another thinker gave his thought -- was murdered -- another
tomb became sacred -- another step was taken in advance. And
so through countless years of ignorance and cruelty -- of
thought and crime -- of murder and worship, of heroism,
suffering, and self-denial, the race has reached the heights
where now we stand.

Looking back over the long and devious roads that lie
between the barbarism of the past and the civilization of
to-day, thinking of the centuries that rolled like waves
between these distant shores, we can form some idea of what
our fathers suffered -- of the mistakes they made -- some
idea of their ignorance, their stupidity -- and some idea of
their sense, their goodness, their heroism.

It is a long road from the savage to the scientist -- from
a den to a mansion -- from leaves to clothes -- from a
flickering rush to the arc-light -- from a hammer of stone
to the modern mill -- a long distance from the pipe of Pan
to the violin -- to the orchestra -- from a floating log to
the steamship -- from a sickle to a reaper -- from a hand
loom to a Jacquard, a Jacquard that weaves fair forms and
wondrous flowers beyond Arachne's utmost dream -- from a few
hieroglyphics on the skins of beasts, on bricks of clay --
to a printing press, to a library -- a long distance from
the messenger, traveling on foot, to the electric spark --
from knives and tools of stone to those of steel -- a long
distance from sand to telescopes -- from echo to the
phonograph -- a long way from the trumpet to the telephone
-- from the dried sinews of beasts to the cables of steel --
from the oar to the propeller -- a long distance from
slavery to freedom --from appearance to fact -- from fear to
reason.

And yet this distance has been traveled by the human race.

Whom, what, should we thank?

...Knowing something of the history of man --- here on this
day that has been set apart for thanksgiving, I most
reverently thank the good men, the good women of the past, I
thank the kind fathers, the loving mothers of the savage
days.

I thank the father who spoke the first gentle word, the
mother who first smiled upon her babe. I thank the first
true friend. I thank the savages who hunted and fished that
they and their babes might live. I thank those who
cultivated the ground and changed the forests into farms --
those who built rude homes and watched the faces of their
happy children in the glow of fireside flames -- those who
domesticated horses, cattle and sheep -- those who invented
wheels and looms and taught us to spin and weave -- those
who by cultivation changed wild grasses into wheat and corn,
changed bitter things to fruit, and worthless weeds to
flowers, that sowed within our souls the seeds of art.

I thank the poets of the dawn -- the tellers of legends --
the makers of myths -- the singers of joy and grief, of hope
and love. I thank the artists who chiseled forms in stone
and wrought with light and shade the face of man. I thank
the philosophers, the thinkers, who taught us how to use our
minds in the great search for truth. I thank the astronomers
who explored the heavens, told us the secrets of the stars,
the glories of the constellations -- the geologists who
found the story of the world in fossil forms, in memoranda
kept in ancient rocks, in lines written by waves, by frost
and fire -- the anatomists who sought in muscle, nerve and
bone for all the mysteries of life -- the chemists who
unraveled Nature's work that they might learn her art....

I thank the great inventors -- those who gave us movable
type and the press, by means of which great thoughts and all
discovered facts are made immortal -- the inventors of
engines, of the great ships, of the railways, the cables and
telegraphs. I thank the great mechanics, the workers in iron
and steel, in wood and stone. I thank the inventors and
makers of the numberless things of use and luxury.

I thank the industrious men, the loving mothers, the useful
women. They are the benefactors of our race.

I thank the honest men and women who have expressed their
sincere thoughts, who have been true to themselves and have
preserved the veracity of their souls.

I thank the thinkers of Greece and Rome, Zeno and Epicurus,
Cicero and Lucretius. I thank Bruno, the bravest, and
Spinoza, the subtlest of men.

I thank Voltaire, whose thought lighted a flame in the
brain of man, unlocked the doors of superstition's cells and
gave liberty to many millions of his fellow-men. Voltaire --
a name that sheds light. Voltaire -- a star that
superstition's darkness cannot quench.

I thank the great poets -- the dramatists. I thank Homer
and Aeschylus, and I thank Shakespeare above them all. I
thank Burns for the heart- throbs he changed into songs, for
his lyrics of flame. I thank Shelley for this Skylark, Keats
for his Grecian Urn and Byron for his Prisoner of Chillon. I
thank the great novelists. I thank the great sculptors. I
thank the unknown man who moulded and chiseled the Venus de
Milo. I thank the great painters. I thank Rembrandt and
Corot. I thank all who have adorned, enriched and ennobled
life -- all who have created the great, the noble, the
heroic and artistic ideals.

I thank the statesmen who have preserved the rights of man.
I thank Thomas Paine whose genius sowed the seeds of
independence in the hearts of '76. I thank the founders, the
defenders, the saviors of the Republic. I thank Ericsson,
the greatest mechanic of his century, for the monitor. I
thank Lincoln for the Proclamation. I thank them all -- the
living and the dead.

I thank the great scientists -- those who have reached the
foundation, the bed-rock -- who have built upon facts.

The scientists never persecuted, never imprisoned their
fellow-men. They forged no chains, built no dungeons,
erected no scaffolds -- tore no flesh with red hot pincers
-- dislocated no joints on racks -- crushed no bones in iron
boots -- extinguished no eyes -- tore out no tongues and
lighted no fagots. They were only intelligent and honest
men. They did not appeal to force or fear. They did not
regard men as slaves to be ruled by torture, by lash and
chain, nor as children to be cheated with illusions, rocked
in the cradle of an idiot creed and soothed by a lullaby of
lies.

They did not wound -- they healed. They did not kill --
they lengthened life. They did not enslave -- they broke the
chains and made men free. They sowed the seeds of knowledge,
and many millions have reaped, are reaping, and will reap,
the harvest of joy.

I thank Humboldt and Helmholtz and Haeckel and Buchner. I
thank Lamarck and Darwin -- Darwin who revolutionized the
thought of the intellectual world. I thank Huxley and
Spencer. I thank the scientists one and all.

I thank the heroes, the destroyers of prejudice and fear --
the dethroners of savage gods -- the extinguishers of hate's
eternal fire -- the heroes, the breakers of chains -- the
heroes who fought and fell on countless fields -- the heroes
whose dungeons became shrines -- the heroes whose blood made
scaffolds sacred -- the heroes, the apostles of reason, the
disciples of truth, the soldiers of freedom -- the heroes
who held high the holy torch and filled the world with
light.

With all my heart I thank them all.

--- ROBERT G INGERSOLL, 1897

[Excerpted from Volume IV of the 12-Volume Dresden Edition
of Robert Ingersoll's writings, The Dresden Publishing
Company, New York, 1902.]
 
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:12:30 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.
--
Best Regards,
Mike
 
Active8 wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:12:30 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.
Do the Native Americans celebrate as well?

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
Active8 wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:12:30 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.


Do the Native Americans celebrate as well?
I don't think so- they were victims of genocide- the holiday is total BS
and should be abolished. " And praise God that the Indians didn't have a
better weapon than the gun, and that they were susceptible to being
wiped out by our filthy Euro-diseases...and all the other accidents of
history so that we may assure ourselves of superiority as we lie, cheat.
steal, manipulate, commit incest, adultery, bestiality..in your name
Jesus etc..."
 
Active8 wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:12:30 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.
Heheh- you do know you will be eating a "genetically modified turkey"
that is so damned fat it would drop dead of a heart attack if it was so
adventurous as to take ten steps out of its cage:) Sounds classy
eh...ummm-hmmmm good!- enjoy your new breasts:)
 
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:53:17 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

I don't think so- they were victims of genocide- the holiday is total BS
and should be abolished. " And praise God that the Indians didn't have a
better weapon than the gun, and that they were susceptible to being
wiped out by our filthy Euro-diseases...and all the other accidents of
history so that we may assure ourselves of superiority as we lie, cheat.
steal, manipulate, commit incest, adultery, bestiality..in your name
Jesus etc..."
Quite. But surely the ultimate weapon of the European migrant was the
concept of land ownership - something the native Americans simply
couldn't conceive of at that time (and many of whom still can't!)

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.
 
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:01:01 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

Active8 wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:12:30 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.

Heheh- you do know you will be eating a "genetically modified turkey"
that is so damned fat it would drop dead of a heart attack if it was so
adventurous as to take ten steps out of its cage:) Sounds classy
eh...ummm-hmmmm good!- enjoy your new breasts:)
I've a small farm with turkeys, pheasants, chickens, quail, guineas, ducks, and
geese (and rabbits, chipmunks, finches, a parrot, cats, and a dog -- the six
cats all get along perfectly with the parrot, finches, and chipmunks, just
liking to lay around them but never hurting any. Everyone is completely
trustworthy with the rest and in fact act to protect each other.) I keep them
mostly for two reasons -- a petting 'zoo' for disabled children who come here
and as a source of eating eggs.

Since I just learned what good pets turkeys make, we don't eat turkeys now.
They are just way too gentle and caring.

But I discovered some of the truth in Fred's comment along the way. I went down
to our local feed store and bought three turkeys two years ago for the first
time. One each of three different breeds -- including a "wild turkey," a
"Bourbon red" turkey, and a so-called "bronze-breasted." We were stunned at how
fast the bronze-breasted grew up, compared with the other two.

When the other two arrived at their final size, the differences were obvious:
the wild turkey was the slimmest and perfectly competent at flying like a bird
(all of our birds are free-ranging, here.) She could fly just as well and just
as high as our quail or pheasants. (She's very nice and talks about almost
everything, too.) Our Bourbon red is a male, somewhat larger, and flies
"mostly" -- in other words, prefers to stay on the ground but can fly when
pushed. The bronze-breasted is so large and over-the-edge heavy that she would
often prefer to simply sit on the ground and, we could tell, has some trouble
even walking because of the strain.

It made us furious to see this kind of thing done. It was patently clear that
the bronze-breasted was _developed_ for the sole purpose of rapidly growing for
early slaughter (less effort and less risk at market because the time between
the decision to grow them and the time they are sold is short, meaning that the
outcome is more predictable) at a good profit ...

.... and it is also patently clear that this animal could never survive for long
on its own.
personality

Wild oranges look almost nothing compared to what we are sold in the stores --
they are developed for high water content and low use of fertilizers, so that
they cost less to grow and sell for more. Washington apples, even those that
are only brought into the state from elsewhere for a time, wind up in cold
storage and taste "corky" and bad to someone like me, who grew up on an orchard
(I cannot eat Washington apples), because they will spend anywhere from six to
18 months in a special kind of cold storage so they can be sold all year 'round.
Chicken eggs from the stores have often been a long time in storage and are
frighteningly poor quality, when compared to my eggs from our chickens and ducks
(you can test by dropping the insides from about a meter above the kitchen floor
-- if the yolk breaks, throw it away; if not, it's fresh and will taste good --
no store-bought egg will survive this test as they are too old and probably
developed by chickens never allowed to move much.) Vitamins are extracted from
various grains before they are sold as flour and a small amount is metered back
in as "enrichment," with the rest being sold into the lucrative vitamin market
(which you need to take, if you are trying to live on the nearly useless flour!)
Hormones are added to cows and wind up in our milk and meat supplies. Etc.

Our entire food system is optimized for profit at levels few of us realize. All
these things I can manage being around, avoiding eating as many of them I can
because I think they taste very poor or are bad for us. But, at least, I can
understand while I avoid them

But this bronze-breasted has such a sweet personality. I suppose if it were
mean-spirited, I might imagine differently. But she's such a wonderful, nice,
considerate pet and doing this to such a breed of turkeys is a very sour deed.

Bottom line is that Fred's right -- the turkeys you eat (in the US, anyway) have
been grotesquely contorted to competitively meet a market demand.

Jon
 
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk@neopax.com> wrote in message
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Active8 wrote:

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:12:30 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:
That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.

Do the Native Americans celebrate as well?

Of course, all the casinos are open today!
 
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:53:17 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
Active8 wrote:
Guy Macon wrote:

That was a nice excerpt for turkey day. Have a nice one, everyone.
If you're not celebrating, have a nice day anyway.

Do the Native Americans celebrate as well?

I don't think so- they were victims of genocide- the holiday is total BS
and should be abolished. " And praise God that the Indians didn't have a
better weapon than the gun, and that they were susceptible to being
wiped out by our filthy Euro-diseases...and all the other accidents of
history so that we may assure ourselves of superiority as we lie, cheat.
steal, manipulate, commit incest, adultery, bestiality..in your name
Jesus etc..."
Fred Boggs
Every so often some of Boggs stuff leaks thorough my Blocking, to remind me why
he is so evil!

Remember "Native Americans" originally came from Asia.
They practiced war among tribes, torture, cannibalism, kept and traded in
slaves.
They generously gave the European visitors Syphilis!
They stole the guns and horses, and murdered anyone who made them angry (almost
anyone).

The Original Puritans were thankful for the food the local Indians brought,
they weren't doing well at providing their own.
Thanksgiving Like Yule, became a secular holiday much later.

Up coming celebrations, Dec 16th, the feast of Sapentia!
For those who received her gifts!
 
Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
Washington apples, even those that are only brought into the state
from elsewhere for a time, wind up in cold storage and taste "corky"
and bad to someone like me, who grew up on an orchard (I cannot eat
Washington apples), because they will spend anywhere from six to 18
months in a special kind of cold storage so they can be sold all year
'round.
Oh I know what you mean there- I have a favorite abandoned apple orchard
hidden deep in the Shenandoah National Park that produces the most
succulent old fashioned mountain apples on God's Earth, and those trees
have to be 80 years old- I only eat the recent groundfall of course-)
 
In article <10qaqepeu4pla40@corp.supernews.com>, Guy Macon says...
Happy thanksgiving, all you yanks!

Best Regards

Jens


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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 02:22:19 -0800, Jens Tingleff wrote:

In article <10qaqepeu4pla40@corp.supernews.com>, Guy Macon says...



Happy thanksgiving, all you yanks!

Best Regards
Don't the Canadians have some holiday celebrating when they drummed the
Americans out?

;^j
R.
 
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 02:22:19 -0800, Jens Tingleff wrote:

Happy thanksgiving, all you yanks!

Best Regards

Don't the Canadians have some holiday celebrating when they drummed the
Americans out?
;^j
R.
No!

List of Canadian Holliday's at:
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/jfa-ha/index_e.cfm
 

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