OT: Rittenhouse shot \\\"three black men\\\" - apparently!...

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 07:51:25 +1100, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote
nightjar wrote
Cursitor Doom wrote
Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote
nightjar wrote

With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than
half of them white, quite a lot it seems.

oh right

Young white males are clearly being disproportionately targeted by
the
police, then. Glad we got that settled.

Young black American juveniles are five time more likely to be
incarcerated than white.

It is the left-libertarian position (this one\'s, anyway) that
civilized nations don\'t try children as adults in the first place, as
there isn\'t anyone particularly well-qualified to judge children
brought to trial as if they\'re adults. Not adults, and certainly not
children.

That Rittenhouse was charged as an adult AT ALL given that he was
legally a child when the crime was committed is just symptomatic of
the fact the US isn\'t a civilized nation...

But while he was technically a child, the reality is that he wasn’t.

????

He was in fact an adult in reality at the time.

I guess you could always leave it up to the courts to determine which
children are actually non-binary adult/childern,

They all are.

Sure, in the way many (not all) would agree a cluster of 4 cells is not a
person but a fetus at 1 second before birth probably is.

Nothing like that in fact.

At what exact time the cells become a person and how is a philosophical
question, I mean it\'s a stupid philosophical question but it\'s one someone
could ponder.

But is irrelevant to what is being discussed. There is
no binary time at which a child becomes an adult.

And its stilly to claim that gang bangers who are
legally not adults should be treated any differently
in the courts than those who are legally adults.

but jesus christ that doesn\'t sound like a particularly good idea.

But it is an even worse idea to not treat someone like
that as an adult when something like that happens.

It\'s a bad idea to leave philosophical questions in the hands of the state

It isn\'t a philosophical question.

and let them just come up answers on a case-by-case basis.

There is no alternative with a raft of those issues
like what constitutes self defence, who is insane
and can not be held responsible for their criminal
activity, who is old enough to realise that what they
are considering doing isn\'t legally allowed, etc etc etc.

As to which option one feels is worse, YMMV.

Has a court or jury in a first-world country ever let an adult accused
of untoward relations with a minor off because it determined the minor
was, \"in reality\", an adult?

In fact the law does when its what are technically children
engage in voluntary sexual activity with others of similar age.

No it doesn\'t,

Yes it does in many jurisdictions.

that there are sometimes dispensations granted in the law between e.g. a
16 year old and a 19 year old doesn\'t mean the 16 year old becomes an
adult temporarily, not in US law at least.

I never said that the 16 year old becomes an adult temporarily.

The bottom line isn\'t about justice or punishment, it\'s about getting
the really bad people off the streets and out of the breeding pool.

There are some teenage savages who won\'t be any nicer when they are
18. Lacking a working reformation system, lock\'em up.



--

Father Brown\'s figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

 

[Rod Speed]

<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote
nightjar wrote
Cursitor Doom wrote
Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote
nightjar wrote

With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than
half of them white, quite a lot it seems.

oh right

Young white males are clearly being disproportionately targeted by
the
police, then. Glad we got that settled.

Young black American juveniles are five time more likely to be
incarcerated than white.

It is the left-libertarian position (this one\'s, anyway) that
civilized nations don\'t try children as adults in the first place,
as
there isn\'t anyone particularly well-qualified to judge children
brought to trial as if they\'re adults. Not adults, and certainly not
children.

That Rittenhouse was charged as an adult AT ALL given that he was
legally a child when the crime was committed is just symptomatic of
the fact the US isn\'t a civilized nation...

But while he was technically a child, the reality is that he wasn\'t.

????

He was in fact an adult in reality at the time.

I guess you could always leave it up to the courts to determine which
children are actually non-binary adult/childern,

They all are.

Sure, in the way many (not all) would agree a cluster of 4 cells is not
a
person but a fetus at 1 second before birth probably is.

Nothing like that in fact.

At what exact time the cells become a person and how is a philosophical
question, I mean it\'s a stupid philosophical question but it\'s one
someone
could ponder.

But is irrelevant to what is being discussed. There is
no binary time at which a child becomes an adult.

And its stilly to claim that gang bangers who are
legally not adults should be treated any differently
in the courts than those who are legally adults.

but jesus christ that doesn\'t sound like a particularly good idea.

But it is an even worse idea to not treat someone like
that as an adult when something like that happens.

It\'s a bad idea to leave philosophical questions in the hands of the
state

It isn\'t a philosophical question.

and let them just come up answers on a case-by-case basis.

There is no alternative with a raft of those issues
like what constitutes self defence, who is insane
and can not be held responsible for their criminal
activity, who is old enough to realise that what they
are considering doing isn\'t legally allowed, etc etc etc.

As to which option one feels is worse, YMMV.

Has a court or jury in a first-world country ever let an adult accused
of untoward relations with a minor off because it determined the minor
was, \"in reality\", an adult?

In fact the law does when its what are technically children
engage in voluntary sexual activity with others of similar age.

No it doesn\'t,

Yes it does in many jurisdictions.

that there are sometimes dispensations granted in the law between e.g. a
16 year old and a 19 year old doesn\'t mean the 16 year old becomes an
adult temporarily, not in US law at least.

I never said that the 16 year old becomes an adult temporarily.

The bottom line isn\'t about justice or punishment, it\'s about getting
the really bad people off the streets and out of the breeding pool.

Yes, but they aren\'t kept off the streets for that long even with murderers
and they have mostly spawned already by the time they do the crime.

There are some teenage savages who won\'t be any nicer when
they are 18. Lacking a working reformation system, lock\'em up.

Yes, but they mostly don\'t stay locked up for very long now.

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 09:56:08 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

Get the fuck out of humans-only ngs finally, you trolling senile pig from Oz!

--
Bill Wright to Rodent Speed:
\"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little shit.\"
MID: <pjqpo3$1la0$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[bitrex]

On 11/21/2021 5:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Has a court or jury in a first-world country ever let an adult accused
of untoward relations with a minor off because it determined the minor
was, \"in reality\", an adult?

In fact the law does when its what are technically children
engage in voluntary sexual activity with others of similar age.

No it doesn\'t,

Yes it does in many jurisdictions.

that there are sometimes dispensations granted in the law between e.g. a
16 year old and a 19 year old doesn\'t mean the 16 year old becomes an
adult temporarily, not in US law at least.

I never said that the 16 year old becomes an adult temporarily.

The bottom line isn\'t about justice or punishment, it\'s about getting
the really bad people off the streets and out of the breeding pool.

Oh ja, die Fuhrer will like dat