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On Feb 26, 11:03 am, geoffjunks...@gmail.com wrote:
Well done. I dont know what else we can do to stop this rubbish (or
the light bulb ban)
but its better than nothing.
http://petitions.listentous.org.au/detail/index/pid/16
Well done. I dont know what else we can do to stop this rubbish (or
the light bulb ban)
but its better than nothing.
M
Mauried
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:39:27 -0800 (PST), KR <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
wrote:
more than taxation by stealth schemes using climate change (or
whatever it is as the excuse).
Govts are always looking for innovative ways of extracting more taxes
from their populations in some disguised manner.
An ETS is one of the best yet,as most people will actually beleive
that by paying more for electricity they are helping to solve some
alleged problem.
It may get fiddled with a bit , or renamed a carbon tax, but its still
the same thing.
Good luck anyway with the petition.
wrote:
Cant really do much at all, simply because ETS schemes are nothingOn Feb 26, 11:03=A0am, geoffjunks...@gmail.com wrote:
http://petitions.listentous.org.au/detail/index/pid/16
Well done. I dont know what else we can do to stop this rubbish (or
the light bulb ban)
but its better than nothing.
more than taxation by stealth schemes using climate change (or
whatever it is as the excuse).
Govts are always looking for innovative ways of extracting more taxes
from their populations in some disguised manner.
An ETS is one of the best yet,as most people will actually beleive
that by paying more for electricity they are helping to solve some
alleged problem.
It may get fiddled with a bit , or renamed a carbon tax, but its still
the same thing.
Good luck anyway with the petition.
M
Mr.T
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"Mauried" <mauried@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:49a71a2e.247095194@news.tpg.com.au...
planned, then it is nothing like taxation, just a transfer of money from
consumers pockets to the chosen companies. Similar to the water rights they
gave farmers, and then BUY back with other taxpayers money. The net effect
is to increase consumer costs, but reduce tax revenue, a very bad joke IMO.
MrT.
news:49a71a2e.247095194@news.tpg.com.au...
A carbon tax would be, but if they *give* ETS carbon credits to companies asCant really do much at all, simply because ETS schemes are nothing
more than taxation by stealth schemes using climate change
planned, then it is nothing like taxation, just a transfer of money from
consumers pockets to the chosen companies. Similar to the water rights they
gave farmers, and then BUY back with other taxpayers money. The net effect
is to increase consumer costs, but reduce tax revenue, a very bad joke IMO.
MrT.
M
Mauried
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:59:31 +1100, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:
The Obama model in the US is intended to help the US govt reduce
its massive budget deficit,so in that case its a taxation scheme.
Id be interested to know what happens in the case of where the Govt
itself is a polluter, ie in the case where Govts own and run coal
fired power stations.
Do they give themselves permits.
and the number of permits sold gradually decreases each year."Mauried" <mauried@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:49a71a2e.247095194@news.tpg.com.au...
Cant really do much at all, simply because ETS schemes are nothing
more than taxation by stealth schemes using climate change
A carbon tax would be, but if they *give* ETS carbon credits to companies as
planned, then it is nothing like taxation, just a transfer of money from
consumers pockets to the chosen companies. Similar to the water rights they
gave farmers, and then BUY back with other taxpayers money. The net effect
is to increase consumer costs, but reduce tax revenue, a very bad joke IMO.
MrT.
My understanding is that the Govt sells pollution permits to polluters
The Obama model in the US is intended to help the US govt reduce
its massive budget deficit,so in that case its a taxation scheme.
Id be interested to know what happens in the case of where the Govt
itself is a polluter, ie in the case where Govts own and run coal
fired power stations.
Do they give themselves permits.
M
Mr.T
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"Mauried" <mauried@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:49a85ca4.329650127@news.tpg.com.au...
In any case what matters is whether the amount the government recieves is
the same or even a decent portion of what the permits trade for *after* the
government has issued them. I will bet it ends up like water licenses,
broadcast licenses etc. where the people who receive them make the most
money.
Time will tell.
transferring taxpayer money from one department to another happens all the
time.
MrT.
news:49a85ca4.329650127@news.tpg.com.au...
Since the legislation hasn't been debated or passed, who knows.My understanding is that the Govt sells pollution permits to polluters
and the number of permits sold gradually decreases each year.
In any case what matters is whether the amount the government recieves is
the same or even a decent portion of what the permits trade for *after* the
government has issued them. I will bet it ends up like water licenses,
broadcast licenses etc. where the people who receive them make the most
money.
Time will tell.
We were talking about Australia.The Obama model in the US is intended to help the US govt reduce
its massive budget deficit,so in that case its a taxation scheme.
Most of them have already been sold to private enterprise. In any caseId be interested to know what happens in the case of where the Govt
itself is a polluter, ie in the case where Govts own and run coal
fired power stations.
Do they give themselves permits.
transferring taxpayer money from one department to another happens all the
time.
MrT.