OT. Michelin Snow Tire Recall...

[Dean Hoffman]

In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html>

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.

 

[Don Y]

On 4/24/2023 3:11 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around
or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.

When I lived in metro-Denver, I used to run studded tires during the winter
months. No match for mountain passes but the few hills in and around
town (including the one on which I resided) were considerably easier to
navigate with them!

By contrast, I can recall several occasions where I was traveling sideways
on *level* roads in Chicagoland without them!

Snow. Always fun to watch *others* dealing with it! :> (even when I lived
in those places)

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 03:11:04 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
<deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.

People around here, myself included, buy \"mud and snow\" tires, so we
can smile and drive right through the chain control stations. They
look like pretty normal tires to me and I leave them on all year.

Presumably snow tires spin less and brake better on snow.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:11:08 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:

In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.

Hint: If you\'re sliding around, you\'re going too fast.

That\'s not what snow tires do. They provide traction for forward motion and controlled braking. There\'s no claim they will do the impossible of preventing sliding or getting stuck. The testing/ certification of snow tires is all done on lightly snow packed (paved?) roads. In some areas, like Canada, depending on the province, drivers are required by law, for designated snow months, to have these Alpine rated snow tires. It\'s in the government\'s interest that traffic keeps moving and is free from congestion due to driving mishaps caused by tires with weakling performance. Nobody really cares about any other kind of use the tires may be put to. Same goes for northern Europe.

Some interesting background on historical development and traction/ braking performance testing/ instrumentation here:

https://www.rubbernews.com/assets/PDF/RN101595921.PDF

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:01:29 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 03:11:04 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.
People around here, myself included, buy \"mud and snow\" tires, so we
can smile and drive right through the chain control stations. They
look like pretty normal tires to me and I leave them on all year.

Presumably snow tires spin less and brake better on snow.

Looks like they waive requirements on rolling resistance and noise for the snow tires. So you\'re driving a noisy tire with bad fuel economy ( more global warming effect) year round?

 

[Martin Rid]

Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html> It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.

You need 2 cinder blocks in the trunk for snow tires to work properly;D

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[John Larkin]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:01:29?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 03:11:04 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.
People around here, myself included, buy \"mud and snow\" tires, so we
can smile and drive right through the chain control stations. They
look like pretty normal tires to me and I leave them on all year.

Presumably snow tires spin less and brake better on snow.

Looks like they waive requirements on rolling resistance and noise for the snow tires. So you\'re driving a noisy tire with bad fuel economy ( more global warming effect) year round?

M+S tires are not full knobby snow tires. They aren\'t noisy. But they
(and awd) get me past the chain controls.

I doubt I\'m heating your neighborhood many picokelvins.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 07:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:11:08?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
In the off chance that someone here has snow tires:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005257/Michelin-issues-urgent-recall-500-000-tires-dont-snow-traction.html

It\'s good old fashioned common sense in my world that vehicles slide around or get stuck in snow no matter what tires they have.

Hint: If you\'re sliding around, you\'re going too fast.

Or having fun.