OT: Is use of gmail accounts on google/groups safe from spam

[N_Cook]

I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) . I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I post
to google/groups ?

While on OT
I 'm after what I thought would be a common place widget.
An alarm that sounds or flashes when, during the current online session, the
bytes recived (in particular) exceeded some number preset by yourself ,when
on a paid for by the megabyte usage of mobile internet access .
Anyone know of such a simple widget? googling just throws up alarm clocks.
For the moment using nettxrx always on graphical display and log of bytes
received and sent

 

[Adrian C]

On 10/06/2013 08:32, N_Cook wrote:

I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) . I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I post
to google/groups ?

Google Groups? Think of your personal stance on using social media
(probably "no" to facebook and twitter) and apply accordingly. Google is
hell bent on trying to offer their own, and before you know it you will
be subsumed into becoming a Google+ being, paying for it with your privacy.

On the other hand, there is probably nothing stopping you opening a
completely new google account, getting a new gmail address for it and
then you actively refusing to engage in usage of the email service other
than responding to group membership emails. Google would still track
(for advertising) your posting habits on both accounts and would I
suspect likely see you as the same person, but other users and spammers
would not.

--
Adrian C

 

[N_Cook]

Adrian C <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
news:b1lmokFft5dU1@mid.individual.net...

On 10/06/2013 08:32, N_Cook wrote:
I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email
address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet)
.. I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
post
to google/groups ?

Google Groups? Think of your personal stance on using social media
(probably "no" to facebook and twitter) and apply accordingly. Google is
hell bent on trying to offer their own, and before you know it you will
be subsumed into becoming a Google+ being, paying for it with your
privacy.

On the other hand, there is probably nothing stopping you opening a
completely new google account, getting a new gmail address for it and
then you actively refusing to engage in usage of the email service other
than responding to group membership emails. Google would still track
(for advertising) your posting habits on both accounts and would I
suspect likely see you as the same person, but other users and spammers
would not.

--
Adrian C

I tried on 2 different computers to set up a new but sacrificial Gmail
account , using 2 different valid email accounts that can be sacrificed and
I wouldn't mind too much but the Google buggers wanted me to surrender a
bloody phone number to the bastards to verrify before proceeding onwards.
Just a valid email address previously.
How come the spammers can set up Gmail accounts with impunity to swamp
usenet with junk but a genuine, but cautious potential user , cannot.

 

[N_Cook]

Robert Macy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:41ab7f83-657d-40b7-aad6-4da10fa4aa16@m8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 10, 12:32 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address
..
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) .
I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
post
to google/groups ?

...snip... good idea

As you may have noticed, my email address is weakly munged here. I
post a few times per month on about five Usenet groups. Not received
any noticeable spam. And, google recognizes me constantly, so I only
have to reconfirm password that it's me, maybe once a week. I get more
spam from legitimate sources, like utilities provider, private club,
alma mater, technical magazines, grocery stores, discounts, DirecTV,
some unknown sources [meritline, biz ?? and so on] and daily over and
over again and again from facebook and LinkedIn trying to get me to
respond to something - luckily with my purposely 'out-of-date' system,
those two won't let me respond, thus I have an excuse NOT to join
friends on those twowebsites. So far, twitter has only given me
cookies [when and how, no idea] Basically still not receiving spam
caused by using the legitmate email address on Usent groups through
google.

On the other hand yahoo, who handles some technical groups, makes me
log and confirm it's me in almost everytime I try to do anything, yet
I noticed that whenever I've used them, the spam increased into my
private account. But, honestly not so much anymore, perhaps they fixed
it.


+++++

Going into Properties, your Gmail address looks unmunged and genuine to me,
or are you supposed to remove the "a" from the middle or something to get
the real Gmail address?
Do you post to specifically google groups at all?

AFAICS Twitter and Facebook are the worst thing since sour dough, the worst
of both worlds, both excessively intrusive and excessively exclusive.

I've near enough given up on Yahoo because of all the hoops you have to jump
through

 

[Robert Macy]

On Jun 10, 3:46 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote in message

news:b1lmokFft5dU1@mid.individual.net...





On 10/06/2013 08:32, N_Cook wrote:
I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email
address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet)
. I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
post
to google/groups ?

Google Groups? Think of your personal stance on using social media
(probably "no" to facebook and twitter) and apply accordingly. Google is
hell bent on trying to offer their own, and before you know it you will
be subsumed into becoming a Google+ being, paying for it with your
privacy.

On the other hand, there is probably nothing stopping you opening a
completely new google account, getting a new gmail address for it and
then you actively refusing to engage in usage of the email service other
than responding to group membership emails. Google would still track
(for advertising) your posting habits on both accounts and would I
suspect likely see you as the same person, but other users and spammers
would not.

--
Adrian C

I tried on 2 different computers to set up a new but sacrificial Gmail
account , using 2 different valid email accounts that can be sacrificed and
I wouldn't mind too much but the Google buggers wanted me to surrender a
bloody phone number to the bastards to verrify before proceeding onwards.
Just a valid email address previously.
How come the spammers can set up Gmail accounts with impunity to swamp
usenet with junk but a genuine, but cautious potential user , cannot.

wow, that means a person with one phone line, on dial=up can NOT open
a google account?

 

[Robert Macy]

On Jun 10, 12:32 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) . I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I post
to google/groups ?

...snip... good idea

As you may have noticed, my email address is weakly munged here. I
post a few times per month on about five Usenet groups. Not received
any noticeable spam. And, google recognizes me constantly, so I only
have to reconfirm password that it's me, maybe once a week. I get more
spam from legitimate sources, like utilities provider, private club,
alma mater, technical magazines, grocery stores, discounts, DirecTV,
some unknown sources [meritline, biz ?? and so on] and daily over and
over again and again from facebook and LinkedIn trying to get me to
respond to something - luckily with my purposely 'out-of-date' system,
those two won't let me respond, thus I have an excuse NOT to join
friends on those twowebsites. So far, twitter has only given me
cookies [when and how, no idea] Basically still not receiving spam
caused by using the legitmate email address on Usent groups through
google.

On the other hand yahoo, who handles some technical groups, makes me
log and confirm it's me in almost everytime I try to do anything, yet
I noticed that whenever I've used them, the spam increased into my
private account. But, honestly not so much anymore, perhaps they fixed
it.

 

[Adrian C]

On 10/06/2013 11:46, N_Cook wrote:

I tried on 2 different computers to set up a new but sacrificial Gmail
account , using 2 different valid email accounts that can be sacrificed and
I wouldn't mind too much but the Google buggers wanted me to surrender a
bloody phone number to the bastards to verrify before proceeding onwards.
Just a valid email address previously.

It's to turn on 2-step verification, a feature that is mean't to prevent
your google account from being hijacked by persons you trust _less_ than
google. However, if you have natural paranoia about google having your
cell phone number and other personal information, you should leave well
alone. Or read their website carefully, it is explained.

How come the spammers can set up Gmail accounts with impunity to swamp
usenet with junk but a genuine, but cautious potential user , cannot.

You don't have to give either a current email or phone number to create
a google account. Try it?


--
Adrian C

 

[Wild_Bill]

I just opened a goog account to use goog's Drive, and needed to allow
cookies permission for https://accounts.googlie.com to be able to use it.
The same is required for accessing goog's Groups now (apparently for quite
some time), even though I saw no "cookies required" notification being
presented.

So, if you haven't allowed cookies to be accepted from goog, you can't sign
in.. even though there's no error or notification present.
Goog is worth billions? and involved in space and oceanic exploration, new
car technologies and various other areas of new technologies.. and yet,
won't be bothered to use a "cookies required" notification for potential new
users.

Goog is becoming a global monster in data storage of it's users habits..
which is information worth a lot of money to interested parties willing to
pay for it.
But then, the majority of free "service" sources are doing the same.. the
almighty buck/$ is worth more than any appreciation of their clients'
participation in the advertising-filled services.
It was worse when service entities required users to use the email supplied
by their internet service companies, which made users more vulnerable.

From what I've read, the cell phone services are the same monsters,
monitoring paying customers' locations and movements.

My gooly account and other online services are linked to a basically unused
old mail account (not the same one as usenet newsgroups email link) so any
trash doesn't continue to propagate from address sharing.
I routinely just empty the spam folder for that address.. otherwise the
inbox is fairly clear of trash.

BTW, munging the address that is visible doesn't prevent others from finding
one's actual email address.
A lot of usenet readers/participants block goog users, so using an actual
newsfeed service is likely to be worthwhile. My paid APN account is only
$3/mo on a monthly auto-pay feature.. which I'm sure some users wouldn't
want, but I appreciate easy/simple when I can get it.

Anymore, you need to have a registered death certificate to have any
privacy.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kp3v3p$li$1@dont-email.me...

I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address
.
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) .
I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
post
to google/groups ?

While on OT
I 'm after what I thought would be a common place widget.
An alarm that sounds or flashes when, during the current online session,
the
bytes recived (in particular) exceeded some number preset by yourself
,when
on a paid for by the megabyte usage of mobile internet access .
Anyone know of such a simple widget? googling just throws up alarm clocks.
For the moment using nettxrx always on graphical display and log of bytes
received and sent

 

[Geo]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:42:18 +0100, Adrian C <email@here.invalid>
wrote:

You don't have to give either a current email or phone number to create
a google account. Try it?

Yep - I just created ncook3581 without giving either phone number
current email address.

 

[N_Cook]

Wild_Bill <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zZltt.15611$0y7.593@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...

I just opened a goog account to use goog's Drive, and needed to allow
cookies permission for https://accounts.googlie.com to be able to use it.
The same is required for accessing goog's Groups now (apparently for quite
some time), even though I saw no "cookies required" notification being
presented.

So, if you haven't allowed cookies to be accepted from goog, you can't
sign
in.. even though there's no error or notification present.
Goog is worth billions? and involved in space and oceanic exploration, new
car technologies and various other areas of new technologies.. and yet,
won't be bothered to use a "cookies required" notification for potential
new
users.

Goog is becoming a global monster in data storage of it's users habits..
which is information worth a lot of money to interested parties willing to
pay for it.
But then, the majority of free "service" sources are doing the same.. the
almighty buck/$ is worth more than any appreciation of their clients'
participation in the advertising-filled services.
It was worse when service entities required users to use the email
supplied
by their internet service companies, which made users more vulnerable.

From what I've read, the cell phone services are the same monsters,
monitoring paying customers' locations and movements.

My gooly account and other online services are linked to a basically
unused
old mail account (not the same one as usenet newsgroups email link) so any
trash doesn't continue to propagate from address sharing.
I routinely just empty the spam folder for that address.. otherwise the
inbox is fairly clear of trash.

BTW, munging the address that is visible doesn't prevent others from
finding
one's actual email address.
A lot of usenet readers/participants block goog users, so using an actual
newsfeed service is likely to be worthwhile. My paid APN account is only
$3/mo on a monthly auto-pay feature.. which I'm sure some users wouldn't
want, but I appreciate easy/simple when I can get it.

Anymore, you need to have a registered death certificate to have any
privacy.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............


"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kp3v3p$li$1@dont-email.me...
I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email
address
.
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet)
..
I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
post
to google/groups ?

While on OT
I 'm after what I thought would be a common place widget.
An alarm that sounds or flashes when, during the current online session,
the
bytes recived (in particular) exceeded some number preset by yourself
,when
on a paid for by the megabyte usage of mobile internet access .
Anyone know of such a simple widget? googling just throws up alarm
clocks.
For the moment using nettxrx always on graphical display and log of
bytes
received and sent

I'm quite happy with humans putting the apparent em address on this posting
into a search engine and usually the top hit has a cross reference ,
deliberately placed, to a humanly resolvable currently active em account.
Which reminds me it was my first email address and coming up to 20 year
anniversary in 1.5 years time

 

[Michael Black]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013, N_Cook wrote:

Adrian C <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
news:b1lmokFft5dU1@mid.individual.net...
On 10/06/2013 08:32, N_Cook wrote:
I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email
address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet)
. I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
post
to google/groups ?

Google Groups? Think of your personal stance on using social media
(probably "no" to facebook and twitter) and apply accordingly. Google is
hell bent on trying to offer their own, and before you know it you will
be subsumed into becoming a Google+ being, paying for it with your
privacy.

On the other hand, there is probably nothing stopping you opening a
completely new google account, getting a new gmail address for it and
then you actively refusing to engage in usage of the email service other
than responding to group membership emails. Google would still track
(for advertising) your posting habits on both accounts and would I
suspect likely see you as the same person, but other users and spammers
would not.

--
Adrian C




I tried on 2 different computers to set up a new but sacrificial Gmail
account , using 2 different valid email accounts that can be sacrificed and
I wouldn't mind too much but the Google buggers wanted me to surrender a
bloody phone number to the bastards to verrify before proceeding onwards.
Just a valid email address previously.
How come the spammers can set up Gmail accounts with impunity to swamp
usenet with junk but a genuine, but cautious potential user , cannot.

Are you sure about that?

Look for a tiny box on the bottom or somewhere that lets you bypass the
phone number thing.

Ihaven't created a gmail account since the early days, but every so often
a screen pops up when I'm logging in, asking me for a "mobile number" for
security reasons. And there is a place, I think in small characters,
where I can bypass that.

Maybe they've changed the rules, but this isn't about a need for a phone
number to verify, but a security feature. People are using gmail for way
too much, and if someone gets in there (because the owner has given their
password away, for example) there is often a lot of information thaat
people would generally not want others to see. SInce gmail buy definition
is about accumulating the email, rather than downloading to your own
computer, it's even worse than if some random attacker gets into the email
at your ISP.

So the phone becomes a secondary thing, unless someone has your password
and your phone, akin to needing a bank card and the PIN to access your
bank account, they can't access your gmail. Gmail could issue USB flash
drives with some code on that you'd need in place to access gmail, but
that would cost them money, so they figure the need for a phone adds a
level of security.

But from what I've seen, it's not mandatory to have the mobile phone, just
an extra layer of security.

So check the fine print again.

Michael

 

[Robert Macy]

On Jun 10, 6:07 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

...snip....
Going into Properties, your Gmail address looks unmunged and genuine to me,
or are you supposed to remove the "a" from the middle or something to get
the real Gmail address?
Do you post to specifically google groups at all?

AFAICS Twitter and Facebook are the worst thing since sour dough, the worst
of both worlds, both excessively intrusive and excessively exclusive.

I've near enough given up on Yahoo because of all the hoops you have to jump
through

No that address works as shown.

Apologies, I use google access to Usenet groups. I haven't found a
single google group of interest [havent' looked, either]

Usenet
sci.electronics.design
sci.electronics.repair
sci.electronics.cad
alt.home.repair
??WinXP
??Win98
alt.rec.humor
alt.security.alarm

Oddly, the 'off-topic' information has been the most interesting. It's
like receiving news that has been 'peer reviewed' Except for a few
spammers, complete idiots, and extreme flamers the information is not
bad at all. A really good [but also sad] example, is that one OT
comment mentioned Maggie Thatcher died days before the US news even
covered it. I suppose it's because the US news presenters need to take
up all their time talking over each other, sounding like chattering
children, and generally trying to 'act' ebullient to give the
listeners a 'warm, comfy' feeling, instead of information..

Yahoo groups:
LTspice
NEC [antenna design]

even though I have an email address there I can never figure out how
to pick up messages.

 

[N_Cook]

I tried a third time but still trying to grab phone numbers .
Apparently, not tried yet, is to use a prexisting gmail address to verify a
new one. Seems strange but as part of the monetisation of gooly is obviously
to encourage spammers then that makes sense, set up a geometric progression
of more accounts for spammers to use.
What a simple world it was in Deja-news days.

 

[Adrian C]

On 12/06/2013 12:51, N_Cook wrote:

I tried a third time but still trying to grab phone numbers .

Where are you going?

https://accounts.google.com/SignUp?service=mail

Leave the email / phone number fields blank!


I'll repeat it plainer, if you don't feel comfortable with the seemingly
dark forces behind the service, then best stay away?

The grabbing of telephone numbers is for your benefit not theirs. Wise
up on 2-step authentication / verification.

--
Adrian C

 

[N_Cook]

On 12/06/2013 12:51, N_Cook wrote:

I tried a third time but still trying to grab phone numbers .
Apparently, not tried yet, is to use a prexisting gmail address to verify a
new one. Seems strange but as part of the monetisation of gooly is obviously
to encourage spammers then that makes sense, set up a geometric progression
of more accounts for spammers to use.
What a simple world it was in Deja-news days.

confirmed, you can open a new gmil account using an existing gmail
account , not requiring the phone data grabbing crap

 

[micky]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:32:26 +0100, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
wrote:

I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address .
I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) . I
tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
"spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I post
to google/groups ?

While on OT

I have my own OT which is related to yours, even if it's about Yahoo
and not Google.

Yahoo too truncates email addresses (it did so before google iirc) but
only for the people who read a yahoo mailing list on the web. For
those of us who have it emailed to them, the entire email address is
visible. Interesting in itself, and maybe it even has some direct
relationship to the google question.

 

[micky]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:23:14 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
wrote:

Ihaven't created a gmail account since the early days, but every so often
a screen pops up when I'm logging in, asking me for a "mobile number" for
security reasons.

I get that too and it's pretty funny. I increase my security by NOT
telling them my number.

And there is a place, I think in small characters,
where I can bypass that.

I just click Continue or something, but I"m not in the process of
setting up a new account. Of course, check out Geo's post.

 

[micky]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 05:52:44 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
<robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 10, 6:07 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
...snip....
Going into Properties, your Gmail address looks unmunged and genuine to me,
or are you supposed to remove the "a" from the middle or something to get
the real Gmail address?
Do you post to specifically google groups at all?

AFAICS Twitter and Facebook are the worst thing since sour dough, the worst
of both worlds, both excessively intrusive and excessively exclusive.

I've near enough given up on Yahoo because of all the hoops you have to jump
through

No that address works as shown.

Apologies, I use google access to Usenet groups. I haven't found a
single google group of interest [havent' looked, either]

Usenet
sci.electronics.design
sci.electronics.repair
sci.electronics.cad
alt.home.repair
??WinXP
??Win98
alt.rec.humor
alt.security.alarm

Oddly, the 'off-topic' information has been the most interesting. It's
like receiving news that has been 'peer reviewed' Except for a few
spammers, complete idiots, and extreme flamers the information is not
bad at all. A really good [but also sad] example, is that one OT
comment mentioned Maggie Thatcher died days before the US news even
covered it. I suppose it's because the US news presenters need to take
up all their time talking over each other, sounding like chattering
children, and generally trying to 'act' ebullient to give the
listeners a 'warm, comfy' feeling, instead of information..

Yes, all true, but it's also 4 or 5 hours earlier in the US, so it
takes 4 or 5 hours longer until it has happened here.

Yahoo groups:
LTspice
NEC [antenna design]

even though I have an email address there I can never figure out how
to pick up messages.

 

[N_Cook]

confirmed, you can open a new gmil account using an existing gmail
account , not requiring the phone data grabbing crap

I've now ransferred my gmail accounts to Thunderbird POP3/SMTP to cut out
the overlain BW-wasting goo-crap.