OT: How much of a threat is Huawei?

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Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics engineers
think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a threat?" and so
on. Just so I can have a better understanding of the so-called news.

Thanks.
 
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 09:22:13 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote:

Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics engineers
think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a threat?" and so
on. Just so I can have a better understanding of the so-called news.

It's a very good question. Unfortunately, I can't find any actual
technical reasoning for opposing Huawei; just an awful lot of emotive
hot air, such as this Newsweek piece penned by one Nigel Farage:

https://tinyurl.com/uhr25ol

Anyway, I don't think this is the best possible group for this
question. Try one of the telecoms ones if you have no luck here.
 
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:r3ij84$9gp$1@dont-email.me:

Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics
engineers think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a
threat?" and so on. Just so I can have a better understanding of
the so-called news.

Thanks.

I think that they should submit every chip and every assembly they
get used in for complete inspection by US security officials.


What the fears are is that they could have back doors to a device
in a network, and we would not even 'see' it.

Otherwise, yes, they are an extreme threat. These are the guys whom
have no problem stealing IP. Did you even see their jets? They copy
more stuff than the Russians do. All after they steal it.

I say the free world should say a resounding NO to their products.

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.
 
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:33:50 PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 09:22:13 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics engineers
think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a threat?" and so
on. Just so I can have a better understanding of the so-called news.

It's a very good question. Unfortunately, I can't find any actual
technical reasoning for opposing Huawei; just an awful lot of emotive
hot air, such as this Newsweek piece penned by one Nigel Farage:

https://tinyurl.com/uhr25ol

Anyway, I don't think this is the best possible group for this
question. Try one of the telecoms ones if you have no luck here.

That Cursitor Doom can't find any technical reasons to worry about Huawei doesn't come as a surprise. If could find them he wouldn't be able to understand them.

The problem is smart phones are very complicated beasts, and you could bury pretty much anything you liked inside their hardware.

If we could write probably correct software, we could probably analyse hardware in enough detail to know what it did - and could do - but we can't do either.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-30/vodafone-found-hidden-backdoors-in-huawei-equipment

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in
news:cinp5flr4l9po6270t8u1ru4lsuomum11t@4ax.com:

It's a very good question. Unfortunately, I can't find any actual
technical reasoning for opposing Huawei; just an awful lot of
emotive
hot air, such as this Newsweek piece penned by one Nigel Farage:

'technical reasonong'? Do you remember the HUGE Supermicro
motherboard hack debacle? Supposedly there are chips they are
putting on motherboards that allow some way to remotely hack the
machine.

<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/new-evidence-of-
hacked-supermicro-hardware-found-in-u-s-telecom>

I would not trust network equipment designed and made in China.
Even US made designs being built there can get "modified" unless they
get well vetted by the contractor.
 
On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:r3ij84$9gp$1@dont-email.me:

Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics
engineers think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a
threat?" and so on. Just so I can have a better understanding of
the so-called news.

Thanks.



I think that they should submit every chip and every assembly they
get used in for complete inspection by US security officials.


What the fears are is that they could have back doors to a device
in a network, and we would not even 'see' it.

Otherwise, yes, they are an extreme threat. These are the guys whom
have no problem stealing IP. Did you even see their jets? They copy
more stuff than the Russians do. All after they steal it.

I say the free world should say a resounding NO to their products.

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.

Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.
 
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 2:33:50 AM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 09:22:13 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics engineers
think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a threat?"

It's a very good question. Unfortunately, I can't find any actual
technical reasoning for opposing Huawe...

You lack both imagination, then, AND historic knowledge.
Huawei has both falsified export papers to bypass Iran sanctions on
US goods sales, and installed back doors in some of their delivered
merchandise. The export issues are controversial, but the back
door software hooks are... somewhat chilling.

China insisted Microsoft open the secrecy on some of their operating system
code before allowing purchases, and it isn't entirely unreasonable for
a nation (the US for example, but others have an interest as well) to want
to openly discuss the innards of a telecom network node before
accepting it as part of the national communication infrastructure.

The Greece incident, <https://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-athens-affair>
is well-studied. Whoever did it, got away with it.
 
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly be
expected, everything considered.

They should have taken a cue from Trump and stopped it by building a wall. Yeah, Trump can show them a thing or two about containment. It's not like we are going to have that virus run rough shod over us. Trump just said the other day that we have 18 cases and it is headed for zero.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly be
expected, everything considered.
 
On 3/2/2020 8:28 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly be
expected, everything considered.

They should have taken a cue from Trump and stopped it by building a wall. Yeah, Trump can show them a thing or two about containment. It's not like we are going to have that virus run rough shod over us. Trump just said the other day that we have 18 cases and it is headed for zero.

Trump is a pathological liar with his head up his ass. But, you know that.
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:310c7e64-627b-422e-8c65-bee55c764901@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the
entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus
outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly
be expected, everything considered.

They should have taken a cue from Trump and stopped it by building
a wall. Yeah, Trump can show them a thing or two about
containment. It's not like we are going to have that virus run
rough shod over us. Trump just said the other day that we have 18
cases and it is headed for zero.

Then let idiots like Larkin believe his stupid, fact free
mouthings.

My internal lifelong chain of events monitoring carbon based
computer sees it as a yet to come huge problem.

Financial markets will crash, not because of fear of the virus, but
because of fear of what viral induced factory shutdowns will cause.
And the reality of what shutdowns do. Better have a nice new laptop
and docking station at hand, because the electronics industry could
easily grind to a halt for many products.

Nobody should trivialize what is happening to us right now.

The shit is gonna hit the fan and no political horseshit is going
to morph it into anything it is not.

It is not merely going to kill people. It can nearly kill our
entire current infrastructure for many things. Agricultural produce
may grow fine, but subsequent human handling has already proven to
kill folks. Just think if this virus were spread by mere touch.

It will also upset the shipping market, because now we have to look
at what comes in even if it is not a living person.

As it gets worse, we need to think about how things work when a
market crash happens.
 
Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in
news:ka5q5fhe14ub3ppo470uinh847o0ha4kne@4ax.com:

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the
entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus
outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly
be expected, everything considered.

You mean their Trumpesquian propensity to lie? That consideration?
 
Am 02.03.20 um 15:28 schrieb Rick C:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly be
expected, everything considered.

They should have taken a cue from Trump and stopped it by building a wall. Yeah, Trump can show them a thing or two about containment.

Actually, the Chinese have built their wall already long ago.
Unlike The Trumpet, they didn't talk about it, they really did it.
A wonderful wall, a Great Wall.

Gerhard
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:78e63138-0347-4c29-93f8-c9f58b4fe611@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 11:54:51 AM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:efa67b25-36f0- 48ac-8e72-96afbb8676e5@googlegroups.com:

Too bad much of what he has tried to do is illegal.

I cannot tell at times if you are for the dangerous buffoon and
his
criminal administration or against it.

It shouldn't matter should it?

This time around, sadly, it does. But no, it shouldn't.

It is simply the FACT that anyone who failed to vet the retarded
fuck and voted for the retarded fuck is on my non-forgiveable act
list.

You know... zero tolerance. A dose of the stupid fuck's own
medicine. SOMEBODY needs to tell the ROTTEN BASTARD that he is
FIRED!

And the dumbfucks that voted for the slimey NYC landlord and
nothing more actually want the retarded fuck to keep 'winning' as his
retarded "hero big game hunter" son says.

Sorry but the failure to vet that bastard IS our vetting of the
retarded fucks who voted for the dangerous buffoon. Y'all
motherfuckers lost face the day you punched the card. Forever lost
in my book.
 
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 11:54:51 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:efa67b25-36f0-
48ac-8e72-96afbb8676e5@googlegroups.com:

Too bad much of what he has tried to do is illegal.

I cannot tell at times if you are for the dangerous buffoon and his
criminal administration or against it.

It shouldn't matter should it?

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 11:00:30 AM UTC-5, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 02.03.20 um 15:28 schrieb Rick C:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:43:55 -0600, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

On 3/2/2020 5:29 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

China should also have to pay billions in reparations to the entire
globe for the way they mishandled the novo corona virus outbreak.


Yeah! And Mexico will pay for a fence.

Actually I'd say China have handled it as well as could possibly be
expected, everything considered.

They should have taken a cue from Trump and stopped it by building a wall. Yeah, Trump can show them a thing or two about containment.

Actually, the Chinese have built their wall already long ago.
Unlike The Trumpet, they didn't talk about it, they really did it.
A wonderful wall, a Great Wall.

Gerhard

Yeah, anyone can build a wall. But like Trump's wall won't stop illegal immigration, the Chinese Great Wall didn't keep out the Tatars, Mongols and Manchus.

Trump is not just talking, even if that is what he does best... or worst depending on how you look at it. He finds ways to get stuff done, when he manages to get something slid by the courts. Too bad much of what he has tried to do is illegal.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:efa67b25-36f0-
48ac-8e72-96afbb8676e5@googlegroups.com:

> He finds ways to get stuff done,

Bwuahahahaha! That is the most retarded excuse for his behavior I
hace sen yet.

The STUPID fuck is tearing up existing non-partisan passed policies
and laws to inch by inch get up money he can dump where HE wants.

I am sorry to burst your retarded fuckhead bubble, but the TrumpTard
has a LOT of military folks angry about the chop chop chop of his
gonorrahean brain.

Wake the fuck up and smell the fact that your stupid choice was a
fucking VERY STUPID CHOICE.
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:efa67b25-36f0-
48ac-8e72-96afbb8676e5@googlegroups.com:

> Too bad much of what he has tried to do is illegal.

I cannot tell at times if you are for the dangerous buffoon and his
criminal administration or against it.
 
On 2/3/20 10:29 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:r3ij84$9gp$1@dont-email.me:
Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics
engineers think about the Huawei issues.

I think that they should submit every chip and every assembly they
get used in for complete inspection by US security officials.

What the fears are is that they could have back doors to a device
in a network, and we would not even 'see' it.

Otherwise, yes, they are an extreme threat. These are the guys whom
have no problem stealing IP.

Yes, Huawei must be assumed to be able and determined to access any data
that flows through any of their devices, anywhere in the world. Exactly
as the US has done for many decades with their own.

The US is especially worried about this new global challenger to their
long-standing dominant role as the biggest thieves, cheats and builders
of back-doored "security" devices. Read about Boeing v Airbus, or Crypto
AG sometime. I knew about it in the 1990s, but there has been a
substantial document release recently.

CH
 
On 2/03/2020 7:22 pm, John Doe wrote:
Wondering what (mainly US and UK) electrical and electronics engineers
think about the Huawei issues. You know, like "Is it a threat?" and so
on. Just so I can have a better understanding of the so-called news.

Thanks.

All mobile phones are a huge threat. The other stuff (routers etc) are
also a huge threat. In the Russia - Ukraine thing Russian soldiers
posting social media photos gave away their units and locations (by geo
tag and background photo content). Being able to track personnel yields
huge amounts of info in times of conflict.

Routers, switches etc are also dangerous, they may be OK now, but they
have automatic updates. So it can be updated to resend copies from any
particular ip address back to home or even allow real time monitoring of
all traffic. Huawei is a bigger threat because whatever the Chinese
government says is what it will do.

Plus Huawei has so far had crap security allowing everyday hackers to
cause grief.
 

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