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Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. Theone. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
I had to check the article again. It said the batteries were disconnected.
I wonder if the detectors were giving out the warning beeps for low battery
and it was easier just to unhook them temporarily. There\'s nothing more
permanent than temporary. Somebody was going to fix them
someday. There\'s that old Credence Clearwater Revival song,
Someday Never Comes.
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
mandag den 26. oktober 2020 kl. 19.42.08 UTC+1 skrev Don Y:
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
I\'ve seen few that has a spring loaded plunger that prevents you from closing
it or mounting to it\'s base unless there is a battery installed
One of my newest detectors has a nice feature: It is not possible to
attach the detector to its bracket unless there is a battery in it.
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 07:30:32 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No, it is not universal. Here in Norway (which is in the universe)
there is no such requirement.
The 10-year battery requirement is a typical political \"solution\". In
ten years, the problem will be right back: People will be annoyed by
the warning beep, remove the battery and forget about it.
One of my newest detectors has a nice feature: It is not possible to
attach the detector to its bracket unless there is a battery in it.
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
I had to check the article again. It said the batteries were disconnected.
I wonder if the detectors were giving out the warning beeps for low battery
and it was easier just to unhook them temporarily. There\'s nothing more
permanent than temporary. Somebody was going to fix them
someday. There\'s that old Credence Clearwater Revival song,
Someday Never Comes.
In my experience, the problem is improper placement of the smoke
detector. Like too close to the kitchen, so it\'s always criticizing
the cook. The long-term solution is to move the detector so false
alarms are rare.
It\'s also useful to have one near to the bedrooms, so it is able to
wake people up.
On 10/26/2020 3:01 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
In my experience, the problem is improper placement of the smoke
detector. Like too close to the kitchen, so it\'s always criticizing
the cook. The long-term solution is to move the detector so false
alarms are rare.
It\'s also useful to have one near to the bedrooms, so it is able to
wake people up.
Some municipalities forbid smoke detectors in kitchens for that
very reason. But, many officials are incredibly ignorant as to
the actual details of their local regulations.
I tried calling the Building Inspector and Fire Department to
get an authoritative read on where detectors are \"required\"
(in new construction, as an advisory to where I might want to
locate them in EXISTING buildings). And, where they are
prohibited.
It was like I was talking about plumbing to an electrician!
Can I put one in the garage (lots of combustible materials,
there, and ignition sources)? Kitchen? Furnace room?
If the kitchen adjoins another area WITHOUT a dividing
wall, does that area fall under the same placement constraints
and recommendations of the kitchen area?
Eye sores to put them in ALL rooms (and likely doesn\'t
significantly increase the protection afforded).
Putting them IN the bedrooms (as recommended) is hard, here
(if you want AC/DC). So, we opted for immediately outside
of the bedrooms (where gaining access to the ceiling-space
was considerably easier).
Note that there are also placement issues WITHIN a particular
room that I\'ve often seen ignored (how close to ceiling/wall,
location relative to windows, air ducts, etc.)
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:14:37 -0700, Don Y
Can I put one in the garage (lots of combustible materials,
there, and ignition sources)? Kitchen? Furnace room?
If the kitchen adjoins another area WITHOUT a dividing
wall, does that area fall under the same placement constraints
and recommendations of the kitchen area?
Putting them IN the bedrooms (as recommended) is hard, here
(if you want AC/DC). So, we opted for immediately outside
of the bedrooms (where gaining access to the ceiling-space
was considerably easier).
Note that there are also placement issues WITHIN a particular
room that I\'ve often seen ignored (how close to ceiling/wall,
location relative to windows, air ducts, etc.)
I prefer the head of the stairs just outside the bedroom doors,
because the smoke comes up the stairs first.
I have a detector per floor (basement, 1st, 2nd), and a CO detector in
the basement and on the 2nd floor.
False alarms are rare.
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:41:01 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
I had to check the article again. It said the batteries were disconnected.
I wonder if the detectors were giving out the warning beeps for low battery
and it was easier just to unhook them temporarily. There\'s nothing more
permanent than temporary. Somebody was going to fix them
someday. There\'s that old Credence Clearwater Revival song,
Someday Never Comes.
In my experience, the problem is improper placement of the smoke
detector. Like too close to the kitchen, so it\'s always criticizing
the cook. The long-term solution is to move the detector so false
alarms are rare.
It\'s also useful to have one near to the bedrooms, so it is able to
wake people up.
How else can one tell if a steak is done?On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:41:01 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
I had to check the article again. It said the batteries were disconnected.
I wonder if the detectors were giving out the warning beeps for low battery
and it was easier just to unhook them temporarily. There\'s nothing more
permanent than temporary. Somebody was going to fix them
someday. There\'s that old Credence Clearwater Revival song,
Someday Never Comes.
In my experience, the problem is improper placement of the smoke
detector. Like too close to the kitchen, so it\'s always criticizing
the cook. The long-term solution is to move the detector so false
alarms are rare.
It\'s also useful to have one near to the bedrooms, so it is able to
wake people up.
It\'s actually pretty funny what you said about improper placement. The place the alarms so they WILL go off most readily in the event of a fire. So if your kitchen fire (aka dinner) inconveniently sets it off, that\'s a problem with your cooking, not a problem with the detector.
This is from Consumer Reports. They don\'t have much faith inOn Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
On 10/26/20 9:40 PM, Ricketty C wrote:
On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:41:01 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
I had to check the article again. It said the batteries were disconnected.
I wonder if the detectors were giving out the warning beeps for low battery
and it was easier just to unhook them temporarily. There\'s nothing more
permanent than temporary. Somebody was going to fix them
someday. There\'s that old Credence Clearwater Revival song,
Someday Never Comes.
In my experience, the problem is improper placement of the smoke
detector. Like too close to the kitchen, so it\'s always criticizing
the cook. The long-term solution is to move the detector so false
alarms are rare.
It\'s also useful to have one near to the bedrooms, so it is able to
wake people up.
It\'s actually pretty funny what you said about improper placement. The place the alarms so they WILL go off most readily in the event of a fire. So if your kitchen fire (aka dinner) inconveniently sets it off, that\'s a problem with your cooking, not a problem with the detector.
How else can one tell if a steak is done?
stuff for cooking but I\'m too lazy to use it. That\'s the fault of aOn Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 6:15:56 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:40 PM, Ricketty C wrote:
On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:41:01 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/26/2020 8:19 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/26/20 9:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:48:19 -0500, Dean Hoffman <deanhofman@clod.com
wrote:
Just a reminder. We\'ve had two house fires in Nebraska that have
killed people. The smoke detectors weren\'t working in the
first
one. No word about them in the second fire.
In CA, smoke detectors are required to have 10-year batteries and CO
detection too. Is that universal now?
No idea. One of mine is house powered with a backup battery. The
other is battery powered. I think both have a warning beep if the battery is
low. Detectors are so easy to overlook if they don\'t have the warning beep.
Actually, that warning beep is one of the reasons many smoke detectors are
found with battery REMOVED! It becomes an annoyance. Folks make a mental
note of needing to replace the battery and then remove the battery to kill
the beep. Then, forget that they were supposed to buy new batteries!
Hence the new requirement for AC/DC operation.
(You can, of course, remove the entire smoke detector -- modular plug on the
back side -- but that\'s far more noticeable/reminder)
I had to check the article again. It said the batteries were disconnected.
I wonder if the detectors were giving out the warning beeps for low battery
and it was easier just to unhook them temporarily. There\'s nothing more
permanent than temporary. Somebody was going to fix them
someday. There\'s that old Credence Clearwater Revival song,
Someday Never Comes.
In my experience, the problem is improper placement of the smoke
detector. Like too close to the kitchen, so it\'s always criticizing
the cook. The long-term solution is to move the detector so false
alarms are rare.
It\'s also useful to have one near to the bedrooms, so it is able to
wake people up.
It\'s actually pretty funny what you said about improper placement. The place the alarms so they WILL go off most readily in the event of a fire. So if your kitchen fire (aka dinner) inconveniently sets it off, that\'s a problem with your cooking, not a problem with the detector.
How else can one tell if a steak is done?
I used to hang out in a place that used a timer for the chicken fryer. It was loud enough it could be heard all through the store, literally. You could hear it in the bathroom.
I guess that\'s the sort of kitchen tools you have?
An old, bad joke on my part. I suppose I have the basic