OT: Google dumping/lost? bits of the Deja/Usenet archive the

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N_Cook

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I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
<http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain>
I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000
 
On 09/11/2015 13:22, N_Cook wrote:
I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain

I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000
Click to expand...

for 300 bit, read 300 baud
 
On 11/09/2015 5:22 AM, N_Cook wrote:
I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain

I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000
Click to expand...

I just found my earliest post on rec.games.pinball - September 9, 1992
by looking for my old email address jrr@jukes.wimsey.bc.ca

So, try looking for your earliest email address!

John :-#)#

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(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2015, N_Cook wrote:

I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet thing,
06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain
I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on my
tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000

I thought dejanews went online in 1995, wikipedia says March of that year.
Click to expand...

I know I've looked for things from 1995, and I'm sure less turned up than
I remember. So dejanews may have been sporadic at the beginning. When
google took over the archive, they added some other archives, but I was
never sure how complete they were.

Of course, I was posting from BBSs in 1995, so it's also possible that
while I posted, some posts never left the system, or got lost in the
gateway to usenet. It was still a time when posts could get lost along
the way.


Michael
 
On 11/09/2015 08:22 AM, N_Cook wrote:

I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain

I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000
Click to expand...

Would "the wayback machine" -- https://archive.org -- work?

Perce
 
On 09/11/2015 20:17, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 11/09/2015 08:22 AM, N_Cook wrote:

I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain


I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000

Would "the wayback machine" -- https://archive.org -- work?

Perce
Click to expand...

I tried the supposed usenet archive bit of archive.org and could not
make it work, the same with this
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/the-usenet-archive
perhaps its just my browser but I got knowhere with either.
I know that in may to august 2001 that google URL had it stored,
all 6 backup floppys of that time, only with email and my .htm files
backed up though, all 6 floppies were perfectly readable on a win98 m/c .
Its an excuse to power up my old IBM AT , to see if it still works, last
time a cap went bang somewhere but it worked ok
 
On 09/11/2015 20:17, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 11/09/2015 08:22 AM, N_Cook wrote:

I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain


I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000

Would "the wayback machine" -- https://archive.org -- work?

Perce
Click to expand...

Putting the 2001 "groups" link of
<http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain>

in archive.org gave a saved page with a redirect to
http://groups.google.com/d/msg//-/a0tpNKNr-8oJ
which also turns out to be duff, well in my browser anyway, no
explanatory from Google .
 
In article <n1q6ij$5r7$1@dont-email.me>, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain
I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000
Click to expand...

The goal for a Google Search these days seem to be "provide results
good enough that they can sell eyeballs to advertisers" as opposed to
"provide the best results". I've found that if you repeat/refine
the search they dig deeper into the files.

Anyway, since I did the Proponent thing and got this group created,
I've run a off line news system that downloads the traffic to my
own linux system(s). As a byproduct of that, I've been archiving
it. (But in the old days, the backup medium was floppy disks, so
I'm never sure if bit rot didn't get something).

Here are the first of your posts that I could find.

-----------------------------------------
From: Cafe User <Guest_1>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: Re:eek:scilloscope manuals-Nigel Cook
Date: 3 Nov 1995 08:36:28 GMT
Organization: SoNet - The first Internet provider on the south coast
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <47ckac$mo4@alpha.aladdin.co.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: comp_2.interalpha.co.uk
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit)

I repair oscilloscopes and have amassed a library of approx 300 test
equipment manuals,mainly scopes.Is there anyone in GB/UK who is willing
to swap manuals.Sorry not (as yet) on the net,please phone Nigel on
Southampton,England 01703 584680.

-----------------------------------------
Subject: Oscilloscope Manuals--Nigel Cook
Date: 6 Nov 1995 08:45:41 GMT
Message-ID: <47khvl$o1i@alpha.aladdin.co.uk>

<same as above>
-----------------------------------------
Subject: Oscilloscope manuals----Nigel Cook
Date: 9 Nov 1995 08:40:03 GMT
Message-ID: <47sep3$j8e@alpha.aladdin.co.uk>

<same as above>
-----------------------------------------
From: Nigel Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: Photocopier repair :-Nigel Cook
Date: 4 Feb 1996 00:11:01 GMT
Organization: Total Connectivity Providers - Internet access for the UK
Lines: 4
Message-ID: <4f0til$gsh@zeus.tcp.co.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: du2-04.tcp.co.uk

Does anyone know how to 1) recoat (ptfe?) coating on output
fuser rolller, 2) patch-up damage on (germanium?) photoconductor
drum

-----------------------------------------
From: Nigel Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: De-soldering on the cheap
Date: 4 Feb 1996 08:53:46 GMT
Organization: Total Connectivity Providers - Internet access for the UK
Lines: 21
Message-ID: <4f1s6q$g56@zeus.tcp.co.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: du1-15.tcp.co.uk

Use a hot-air paint-stripper,1400W,500 degree centigrade,with 2 level heat control
to prolong element life. Activity may appear fearsome but it is no worse than a
flow-solder bath.
Pre-heat for one minute then apply to pcb,make extractor tool to pull ic from component
side.
Use for salvaging(working order) up to 64 pin ics ( when practised ),other components, sm
and even repair (tracks are not dislodged).
SAFETY NOTE:- ensure good ventilation, use safety goggles,and beware of very slight
risk of combustion.
For more advice contact e-mail,telephone or snail mail me the proprietor of
Diverse Devices,Southampton,England;telephone (+44) 01703 584680
(obscure/obsolete components,second hand test equipment,schematics etc)
Postal: 75 Priory Rd,St Denys,Southampton,England SO17 2JQ.


Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)
 
On 10/11/2015 16:27, Mark Zenier wrote:
In article <n1q6ij$5r7$1@dont-email.me>, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
I was going to celebrate my first posting to this new-fangled internet
thing, 06 November 1995 to the usenet group sci.electronics.repair,
it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&output=gplain
I used a long gone local internet cafe, before using a 300 bit modem on
my tlephone line, to see what all the hype was about.
Anyone know if my message is retrievable anwhere/anyhow?

I can't even find a sensible search structure, eg date-limitation, to
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/sci.electronics.repair

I probably took an image of the message sometime since 2000


The goal for a Google Search these days seem to be "provide results
good enough that they can sell eyeballs to advertisers" as opposed to
"provide the best results". I've found that if you repeat/refine
the search they dig deeper into the files.

Anyway, since I did the Proponent thing and got this group created,
I've run a off line news system that downloads the traffic to my
own linux system(s). As a byproduct of that, I've been archiving
it. (But in the old days, the backup medium was floppy disks, so
I'm never sure if bit rot didn't get something).

Here are the first of your posts that I could find.

-----------------------------------------
From: Cafe User <Guest_1
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: Re:eek:scilloscope manuals-Nigel Cook
Date: 3 Nov 1995 08:36:28 GMT
Organization: SoNet - The first Internet provider on the south coast
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <47ckac$mo4@alpha.aladdin.co.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: comp_2.interalpha.co.uk
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit)

I repair oscilloscopes and have amassed a library of approx 300 test
equipment manuals,mainly scopes.Is there anyone in GB/UK who is willing
to swap manuals.Sorry not (as yet) on the net,please phone Nigel on
Southampton,England 01703 584680.

-----------------------------------------
Subject: Oscilloscope Manuals--Nigel Cook
Date: 6 Nov 1995 08:45:41 GMT
Message-ID: <47khvl$o1i@alpha.aladdin.co.uk

same as above
-----------------------------------------
Subject: Oscilloscope manuals----Nigel Cook
Date: 9 Nov 1995 08:40:03 GMT
Message-ID: <47sep3$j8e@alpha.aladdin.co.uk

same as above
-----------------------------------------
From: Nigel Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: Photocopier repair :-Nigel Cook
Date: 4 Feb 1996 00:11:01 GMT
Organization: Total Connectivity Providers - Internet access for the UK
Lines: 4
Message-ID: <4f0til$gsh@zeus.tcp.co.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: du2-04.tcp.co.uk

Does anyone know how to 1) recoat (ptfe?) coating on output
fuser rolller, 2) patch-up damage on (germanium?) photoconductor
drum

-----------------------------------------
From: Nigel Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: De-soldering on the cheap
Date: 4 Feb 1996 08:53:46 GMT
Organization: Total Connectivity Providers - Internet access for the UK
Lines: 21
Message-ID: <4f1s6q$g56@zeus.tcp.co.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: du1-15.tcp.co.uk

Use a hot-air paint-stripper,1400W,500 degree centigrade,with 2 level heat control
to prolong element life. Activity may appear fearsome but it is no worse than a
flow-solder bath.
Pre-heat for one minute then apply to pcb,make extractor tool to pull ic from component
side.
Use for salvaging(working order) up to 64 pin ics ( when practised ),other components, sm
and even repair (tracks are not dislodged).
SAFETY NOTE:- ensure good ventilation, use safety goggles,and beware of very slight
risk of combustion.
For more advice contact e-mail,telephone or snail mail me the proprietor of
Diverse Devices,Southampton,England;telephone (+44) 01703 584680
(obscure/obsolete components,second hand test equipment,schematics etc)
Postal: 75 Priory Rd,St Denys,Southampton,England SO17 2JQ.


Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)
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Yes, thanks for that, the first one there on scope manuals was my first
post.
Swapping manuals did not work, by the way. It was a cheap way of
obtaining an original manual, to inflate the price of ,pre flea-bay,
bits of equipment sales.
Plus the car-share problem, impossibility of matching different
requirements.
 
En el artículo <n1q6ij$5r7$1@dont-email.me>, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
escribió:

it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&outpu
t=gplain
Click to expand...

That message ID is actually <47khvl$o1i@alpha.aladdin.co.uk>. Did you
type it in manually from a screengrab, or did you cut and paste it?

I haven't been able to find it. The article lookup at
al.howardknight.net is usually reliable but that can't find it either.
I'm wondering if you made a typo when entering it manually.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")
 
On 13/11/2015 03:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo <n1q6ij$5r7$1@dont-email.me>, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk
escribió:

it used to be on Google as
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=47khvl%24o1i%40alpha.aladdin.co.uk&outpu
t=gplain

That message ID is actually <47khvl$o1i@alpha.aladdin.co.uk>. Did you
type it in manually from a screengrab, or did you cut and paste it?

I haven't been able to find it. The article lookup at
al.howardknight.net is usually reliable but that can't find it either.
I'm wondering if you made a typo when entering it manually.
Click to expand...

Copied and pasted in 2001 and every now and then over the years, clicked
on, and it brought up the original message, text as per Mark Zenier
finding. Until just recently, when it no longer returned anything.
 
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:27:04 +0000, Mark Zenier wrote:


The goal for a Google Search these days seem to be "provide results good
enough that they can sell eyeballs to advertisers" as opposed to
"provide the best results". I've found that if you repeat/refine the
search they dig deeper into the files.
Click to expand...

That one is the exact reason why last year Google removed the
incredibly useful discussion search filter.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/Psb6OmlLJTg
http://aninterestingcommunity.com/tag/google-discussion-search/

Before that day you could use the filter to find people talking about
something, now you are directly pointed to companies selling that thing.

I'm infuriated by Google attitude towards their users, so that I'm using
https://duckduckgo.com more and more, stopped logging in on my G+ account
months ago and one day will probably get rid of my gmail account too.
 
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